Posted 2009-08-04 12:41 AM (#108933) Subject: RV living quarter trailers
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Can someone explain to me what, exactly, qualifies a trailer as a living quarter - eligible for an RV tag?.....Shower, toilet, sink, AC, heat, lighting....?.....Thank you.
Posted 2009-08-04 5:31 AM (#108934 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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I assume you are talking about a RVIA sticker, all the sticker represents is that a trailer has been built to RVIA standards. You can have a RVIA sticker on a trailer that doesn't have a bathroom, as long as the conversion shop is RVIA certified.
If you are asking what qualifies as a second home for tax purposes, my CPA explained to me if it has a plumbed bathroom then it qualifies as a second home. I found it to be better tax wise if I borrowed the money on a second mortage and just wrote off the interest. That's how I bought my first big trailer back in the late 90's.
Maybe you are talking about the actual license plate as far as that goes I don't know as we don't tag horse trailers here in Kentucky unless they are used as commercial carrier.
Posted 2009-08-04 7:48 PM (#108977 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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Ah, I figured that maybe a combination of items made a trailer RV eligible. And you are correct in that I was asking about the RVIA sticker. Now, I will have to look over the RVIA site, I suppose! Thanks.
Posted 2009-08-04 8:27 PM (#108978 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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RVIA is a trade organization, they represent the manufacturers of RV components. That's why they have a vested interest in having people require a RVIA sticker. There are independant organizations out there that can certify that a trailer meets a certain safety standards, TR Arnold is one. A RVIA sticker just means the trailer was built buy a RVIA certified shop, the shop isn't even required to test every trailer. RVIA says they spot check these shops from time to time, but I know two shops that are RVIA Cert shops that have never been spot checked. Is a money racket pretty much through and through.
Posted 2009-08-04 8:36 PM (#108979 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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How do you buy a living quarter trailer as a second home, and how does that work in relation to taxes? I wonder if anyone has no first home and lives solely out of their horse trailer living quarters?
Posted 2009-08-04 9:53 PM (#108982 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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DO NOT hold me to this but in Kansas I believe you have to have a permanent mounted toilet and AC (110v) electricity to qualify. I use an RV tag on my LQ trailer and it is much cheaper. I find those requirements somewhat odd, but I'm farily sure those were the two things mentioned, though it has been a few years. Hope that is what you're asking about.
Posted 2009-08-04 10:27 PM (#108983 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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Here's some previous information about the certifications and various campground rules. You'll notice that the conversion companies that are certified, have to have trained mechanics that perform to certain standards.
Posted 2009-08-05 5:29 AM (#108987 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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Yep, they are trained by RVIA, to meet standards put forth by RVIA(Again RVIA is a trade organization). There is no "National Standard" for living quarters, campers, ect. Some states have put up some requirements for campers and in those states (Kentucky is one) campers, not LQ's must have a state inspection sticker to be sold "New".
My take on RVIA is that you have the foxes in charge of the chicken house, let's see here if I want to start a company that makes a better water heater I have to pay to be a member of RVIA, so my water heater can be installed in RV's by a tech that was trained by RVIA, so that the RV will utimately be certified by RVIA, and "nowhere" is it required by a law that I have ever read anywhere that a RVIA sticker is required for anything. Hence TR Arnold inspection stickers are just as valid as a RVIA sticker anywhere you want to take it.
As far as the requirements of a second home, the above post is correct according to my CPA, to qualify as a second home it must have a permanent toilet and 110AC electric.
Posted 2009-08-05 7:32 AM (#108990 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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HWBar,
In effect, RVIA is no different than a product having a UL listing. (Underwriters Laboratories). Oh, I design and manufacture a electrical product and want it to be accepted by the masses....who, for some reason gave UL this power, I need to pay UL to put their seal of approval on it?
Posted 2009-08-05 11:12 AM (#109003 - in reply to #108990) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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Originally written by wyndancer on 2009-08-05 7:32 AM
HWBar, In effect, RVIA is no different than a product having a UL listing. (Underwriters Laboratories). Oh, I design and manufacture a electrical product and want it to be accepted by the masses....who, for some reason gave UL this power, I need to pay UL to put their seal of approval on it?
Actually TR Arnold certification would be closer to a UL listed item. UL doesn't certify the companies or the companies employees they just test the items, or they recommend how to test an item. RVIA would be like a homebuilders association, that trains all the carpenters, eletricians and plumbers, then certifies all the components(light switches, water heaters, ect.) that go into the home, and installs a sign in the yard saying that this house was built in accordance with the homebuilders assciation. RVIA is not responsible if the trailer burns down the first trip, Nor should they be, they are mearly a trade organization that represents/trains people to build/repair RV's. Like I have said many times it's just a racket that people have bought into.
Posted 2009-08-06 1:07 PM (#109065 - in reply to #108933) Subject: RE: RV living quarter trailers
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Here in Oregon they designate whether it's considered an RV or not based on the primary use. If the primary use is camping then it gets RV tags. If the primary use is hauling animals then it gets heavy trailer tags or farm plates. As for qualifying for a second home here it has to be "fully self-contained".