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heritagelanefarm
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2009-02-04 7:15 AM (#98767)
Subject: "blood in the snow"


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When I went to the barn several days back in the morning, I saw what appeared to be blood in the snow where one of the horses had urinated. I called the vet, and he said he had a number of calls about the same thing. Apparently when the temperature is right, there is a chemical in horse urine that turns the snow reddish in color, and then disspates. He told me the name of the chemical, which I can not spell or pronounce. Looked at the snow later in the day, and saw nothing. In my many years of horse ownership, this was new to me!

Always learning,

Brenda

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wendmil
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2009-02-04 8:08 AM (#98772 - in reply to #98767)
Subject: RE: "blood in the snow"


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Wow!  Good you're so observant.  Can't wait to find out what chemical that is.  Good piece of info to know.  Thanks for sharing. 
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calamityj
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2009-02-04 10:58 AM (#98785 - in reply to #98767)
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Several years ago our horses ate alfalfa cubes in the winter, it will turn urine red in the snow also..
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2009-02-05 5:38 PM (#98879 - in reply to #98767)
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Same thing happened to me several years ago.  I thought for sure that my horse had a serious problem.  My vet was amused by having to explain the facts to another novice!  Wasn't so very funny to me, though.

Marla

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wwrgirl
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2009-02-06 7:43 PM (#98955 - in reply to #98879)
Subject: RE: "blood in the snow"


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Just from alfalfa.  Looks bad though.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-02-07 10:32 AM (#98986 - in reply to #98955)
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I feed alfalfa all the time and I've never seen this. My brother in law runs a dairy and his horses get premium dairy quality alfalfa and no red.

I have on several occassions bought Alfalfa Pellets or cubes to pack into areas that require Certified Weed Free feed.  again No red.

Is it just the change over from from grass to alfalfa that causes the red.

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bbsmfg3
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2009-02-07 10:54 AM (#98987 - in reply to #98767)
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I have been feeding straight alfalfa in the winter time for a lot of years and never seen this. I do believe I'd be looking for another explanation. Blood in the urine could be from a lot of unwanted problems. None of them would be desirable or should be dismissed with this statement.
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2009-02-07 2:45 PM (#98992 - in reply to #98767)
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Ditto- we have a dairy farm and our horses are fed alfalfa. Dark urine sometimes,sure but blood red? Nope.
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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2009-02-07 4:43 PM (#98995 - in reply to #98767)
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I have a stupid question.... How do you feed alfalfa cubes? I bought some a long time ago, right after I bought my first rocky mare. I fed them dry; 5-6 cubes w/ feed, as a treat.  She refused them then.  Now I give her a handful of alfalfa hay with her feed, also as a treat and she loves it.. Should i have soaked the cubes?  They are (were) rather big and chunky.  If i ever get to realize my goal of riding in the western states, I'll have to feed cubes as a weed-free hay..  Our horses get coastal bermuda, but I give a little alfalfa as a treat for Tamber and as a fattener for Eve, my new, skinny mare
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-02-08 10:30 AM (#99020 - in reply to #98767)
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The first time I ever saw Alfalfa cubes, I had put my horse in the Happy Horse Motel in St George. The owner fed all the horses twice a day. Even the transient horses.  He gave each horse a bucket of cubes.  I asked him about it.  He said he bought the cubes by the Dump Trailer load. He parked the trailer in a shed and each day would go out and fill up a bunch of buckets.  He said he weighed the feed  originally but now was pretty comfortable each one of his buckets held 10 lbs of cubes. He would fill his buckets and put them in the back of his John Deere Gator and drive down the stalls dumping one bucket in each manger. No soaking. Just plain cubes.  And all 40 of the horses at his place ate them. For him it was much easier. No stacking hay bales. No lifting 65lb bales. The source just dumped cubes in his trailer with a loader on a tractor, His trailer was a dump trailer with 4 foot sides. he would tilt the front of the trailer up and through a grain chute let the cubes roll into his buckets. What little fell on the ground was easily scooped up with a scoop shovel. He was lifting and moving 10lb buckets instead of 66lb bales.

As I started packing into remote location, I started to haul pellets. But the small pellets get lost in the dirt and wasted. I just don't have space to pack in feed tubs for my horses to eat out of. Wwhen I pack, they eat off the ground. So I switched to cubes. The larger size doesn't get buried int he dirt as easy.  My horses have all learned to bite the cubes and break them into smaller pieces and then chew them. And I found a source of 80lb bags of cubes vs 50lb bags of pellets.  Two 80lb bags were a little closer to the ideal weight I wanted to pack on my horses, one bag in each pannier.

So to answer your question. Horses will learn to eat dry cubes.   Or you can soak them.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-02-08 12:04 PM (#99024 - in reply to #98995)
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I soak the cubes for my old mare.  That is the only way she can eat them.  I started soaking them to slow the others down.  They were gobbeling them up dry, like they were candy.  If it's all you offer they will learn to eat them.  One of my vets said she preferred them soaked so you can get that little bit of extra water in them.
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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2009-02-10 12:20 AM (#99134 - in reply to #98767)
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Thanks ya'll... I guess I'll try again... I like giving alfalfa, but it blows to kingdom come when transporting it from my trailer (where I keep my personal hay) to the stalls.  I bought one of those stackable plastic dog food bins with the slant front opening.. I now take it out to the trailer and load it there and then transport it back to the feed room (labeled, of course) so that my girls can have their treat.  Our horses are "company fed" as part of their board, which includes hay, but I like giving extra hay, especially when it is cold or nasty out.. I started to type cold and rainy, but it hasen't rained in forever, so I left that off.  Plus, our homegrown hay is not neccessarily what I would buy if I was self-feeding...i always keep a lookout for better quality hay than our homegrown and buy 5-7 bales to keep on hand.  I'm slowly collecting new or used hay bale bags when I can find them cheap on e-bay so my hay dosen't get wet, poopy or make a mess.  Sacks of cubes would definitely be easier to deal with.
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