Installed, they are a fraction of the price of airbags and a compressor. I've had ours in service for many years, with absolute reliability and with no maintenance needed. I would not consider hauling with any truck, without their installation

So Gard if timbrens are a fraction of the price of air bags how much of a fraction are they?

I went to the web sight you posted and found that you were right they are a fraction of the price of air bags that I have on my truck.

The air bags on my truck with compressor cost me $466.00 and the timbrems would have cost $196.00 a fraction less than half.

Give me the air bags any day,

Also they are reliable and no maintenance.

M Seyle

I am not going to speak for everyone else on this. (cause there is a couple on here that seem to bash every reply) 

 But the sets that I have had has made a change in the empty ride and even more so on the loaded ride!  The truck I have left now is a 07 Dodge 3500 quad cab C/C with a CM Hauler bed and if I let the air out of the bags the ride is a little rough, so I have found that running around 70psi all the time works out great loaded and unloaded. (it took a couple of days of adjusting the psi to find what worked for me).

When they are installed with a one inch gap on a GM vehicle, one poster noticed a different ride. Another poster and I noted that with a two inch gap or larger, there was no difference in the original ride, because the Timbrens aren't being used.

Gard

Your truck's GVWR is 12500#.... GCVWR is 23000#...  9,350-pound gross rear axle weight rating.... Is this correct? I know the 3500 C/C truck, is suppose to be a little stouter than the pickups.... And you're also running air bags at 70 psi!!! You said your SD 8010 weighs 9000# empty.... What's your pin weight? I'll have 4000# in the bed of my 3500 Chevrolet and the truck sits level, no extra springs, just factory leafs..... You say your sisters Chevy Duramax truck is squatting with your trailer. Can't help but think that both Chevy's have the same rear springs. Your trailers pin weight must be way on up there. What does your whole rig weigh just as it would be heading out for a week with water, horses, feed, tack, stuff, more stuff, some extra more stuff, etc!!?

Your CM bed aluminum or steel? Under bed side boxes?

Looks to me like the newish Dodges are squatting the most.  

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/2007/shootout/hdshootout8.html

Im still of the opinion they all squat too much.

"Im still of the opinion they all squat too much."

When something gets in a bind and squats like that, you know what it's about to, do....do! Means something is mashing the &%^# out of it, LOL!

That is one reason I have the 3500 C/C! I did not see it listed on you little chart. At least we have picked out the couple that like to join in.

But instead of me bashing are trying to start a writing war with people ,  I posted remarks about what I have used and what works or has not worked for me and the trucks I have used.  Not "what a friend" has used or what I have heard about.  Mine are 100% pure facts!

In MY opinion it would be in his best interest to install air bags!

You have the C/C because its not listed on the chart?  What does that mean?  Im not sure youve posted any facts.  You dont even know your own trailers pin weight, for all you know your Dodge is overloaded.

...........wait a minute, this seems familar..........

 http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=9223&start=1

Rockin'TK,  I knew I had seen some of this babbling about a Dodge 3500 C/C before.  Why did you change your screen name?  Hope you went and did a little more research since last time we talked........although it doesnt look like it.

 (Quote: AQHA 123)  The truck is a 2008 duramax 3/4 ton crew cab short box. The trailer will be a 22 foot Hart stock combo with a 6 foot weekender in front. The local trailer guy said some put on air bags and other dont. The bags are only $500 buck so its not a huge deal but I don't want to get them if they are not needed.

Well. have you tried it out yet without a "helper suspension"? I'd be willing to bet that your "local trailer guy" sell them there air bags!!! Try it out first before you spend that $500.00.

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 http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=9223&start=1

Well, I will be damned.... I thought this thread was sounding like a rerun through the same old pile crap from last spring....!! At least I have the same screen name I started with on August third, two thousand four.

 HOGTOWN BOSS, Rockin'TK, Kelly Williams, what did you do that was so bad, that you had to change your screen name??

With only a 6' LQ in the front, I don't think you'll need the airbags. Should be fine without them. Your 2500 will be like many other trucks. It may actually ride better with the load. It is wise to pull the trailer before you make a decision though.

I have had airbags on several trucks. Depending on which trailer I was pulling is what I would use to base my air pressure. On mine anything less than 30 psi was worthless, and have run up to 70 psi. Also rode like crap when it had air in and no load. I have never used the Timbrens, but they do interest me. If I was to go back to a 2500, I would probably try the Timbrens for the money difference.

Good Luck!

I dont see how pointing out the fact a frequent poster in your thread is a "pot stirrer" of questionable experience with a different screen name is hijacking?

I see you have chosen the logical "give it a test run" option.  Good choice since you dont actually know any specifics of the loaded trailer.  No reason to spend money on something you dont have to, unless you just wanted them to begin with.

Enjoy your new trailer.

Here are similar postings:

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=10869&posts=17

When I went in to buy my truck, I wanted the rear Anti Sawy bar. The thought being that it would help to stabilize the truck. On the fords this cames as an option or as part of the camper special option. It's not included in the tow package.  The dealer had that option on some of the base trucks, but none of the King Ranch trucks had that option. The sales team told me the air bags would produce the same  effects as the sway bar in stabilizing the truck.  ( it may be all salesmans hype) but I bought into it and purchased the truck with out the sway bar and added the bags when i got it home.

I've got numerious trailers to haul my equipement and I'm towing something every day. One is a dump trailer that I leave on job sites and the workers throw garbage in it. Broken Concrete, disgarded brick or stone, trash from the ceramic tile layers etc. This trailer would be a little unstable if the weight wasn't distrubted correctly. Leaving a trailer on a jobsite and letting workers throw garbage in it, is a guaranteed way to have the weight in the wrong end of the trailer. To use the term "The tail wagged the dog" on my 2003 truck. With the air bags on my 2006 truck. I find it has less of a tendency to be unstable. I run my air bags at 16-20 psi.  So not much air pressure in them.

Could I get by with out the air bags?  Absolutely! Having had  two F350 Superduties with out airbags and one with airbags. I think I can notice a difference. But it is really a subjective type of evaluation. As you suggested, get your new trailer and see how it rides. If you feel the need. Airbags are easy to add. I think it took all of 60 maybe 90 minutes to install them.