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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-14 6:15 PM (#23862)
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How much fiber should a horse be getting?  My old mare doesn't eat much hay and I want to make sure she is getting enough. 
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2005-04-14 8:09 PM (#23867 - in reply to #23862)
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When you say fiber, I'm assuming you mean roughage. A horse will eat 1-3%of their body weight. So for a 1000# animal that will be 10 to 30#. The more palatable, the more they take to the hay. Not all hay is good quality hay, to get your hay tested grab a couple of handfuls from the middle of the bale, take it to your county extension agent, and have him send it off to be tested then a more accurate determination can be made on how to supplement her.
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ASJ
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2005-04-15 11:19 AM (#23895 - in reply to #23862)
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What type of feed do you feed? Some feed has as much as 25% fiber/roughage. If you are feeding your horse to the specifications on the bag and you are giving hay then your horse should be getting plenty. If your feed does not have very much fiber then you should feed more hay. Check with your feed dealer and he should be able to educate you more on this. Purina has a feed called Equine Sinior. It has everything a horse needs. Some feeds have it all because in some areas they do not have a good quality hay available. There for you have hay in your feed. Also as a horse ages their teeth ware out and they need to get their hay in other ways. Hope this helps some. All good quality feeds will have something available to meet your horses needs. If the brand you feed does not, change brands.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-26 5:24 PM (#24358 - in reply to #23895)
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Thanks. The feed is high in fiber, its a mix of mare and colt and alfalfa pellets.  This mare will not eat any hay but alfalfa and for a couple of weeks there was none available.  I just wanted to check and see what she should be getting so she didn't get backed up for those few weeks while we were waiting for the next shipment of alfalfa.
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maccwall
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2005-04-26 7:58 PM (#24370 - in reply to #24358)
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Hi Terri,

If I remember correctly, didn't we have this discussion with another person recently? Or something similar.

Anyway, have you tried beet pulp for fiber. My old man doesn't like the coastal hay, never has. (yes I know he's strange but that what's makes him special) He'll eat alfalfa nd timothy hay but not the coastal or prairie. go figure. I recently had to change his feed, due to a weight issue, to a pelleted feed that is also high in fiber, but have been feeding beet pulp for a long time and he does great on it. I contacted abunch of nutritionalists and got their opion as well. I do not soak it, never have. It is a good source of fiber for a horse that doesn't eat hay.

Just my .02ยข

See if some of these links won't help. I did alot of research before feeding it.

http://www.shady-acres.com/susan/beetpulp.shtml
http://www.seminolefeed.com/Newsletter/volume1issue7.htm
http://www.xcodesign.com/aaep/displayArticles.cfm?ID=111
http://www.aces.edu/drought/NewsRel/ALTHAYHORS.htm
http://www.ingredients101.com/bpshreds.htm

Safe Riding,
Todd
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-26 9:02 PM (#24374 - in reply to #24370)
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My mare doesnt like the beet pulp.  She will eat alfalfa, but not the coastal.  I have not seen timmothy advertised around here.  I am feeding nutrena prime and just started her on a 16% sweet feed.  It's mostly oats (tried her on oats once and she wouldnt eat it)  didn't think she would eat it but she did.   She gains weight,but can't hold it.  If I don't put a sheet on her when the temps get into the 60's (or blanket in the 50's) she drops weight.  The weight loss is visable.  Round butt at night and hip bones showing in the morning.  We have checked everything we could think of.  All her blood work has come back normal.  Her teeth have been checked and rechecked(by a dentist and vet), but she did have one fall out a couple of weeks ago and since then she has been eating all of her alfalfa.  Not just the leaves.  This is the one I got that was just bone(no muscle or fat) 2 years ago and has had appititie/stomach problems.  You'd cry if you could see the "before" pictures of her.

I'll look at those links.  Thanks.

Terri

 

http://community.webshots.com/photo/249894336/325473627AbAbmG

In this picture, how are you going to turn that into a bed?  I wanted to do something like that but haven't figured out how yet.



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maccwall
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2005-04-27 12:57 PM (#24395 - in reply to #24374)
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You can get it up here but it's expensive. Our horses had it when we went to Colorado a fews ago and couldn't get enough of it. I looked for it down here and only found it at a feed store in Ft. Worth for abou $6.00 a bale... I don't think so. Anyway, it was just a thought. And check out those links, they were helpful to me. Just a quick question, how much feed are you feeding her pound wise?

As far as that turning into a bed, I am building a table that will go right there. The table will form the rest of the bed. There will be a lip along the boot box edge just under the lid and along and below the bench seat lid. The table will have a foldable leg underneath the far edge for when it will be a bed and will be supported by a post when it's a table. I know it's hard to visualize and I will gladly make you a diagram if you want one. It won't be very long, maybe large enough for one adult to curl up on but definately large enough for 2 small childern. I am having cushions made for it that will fold out and make a "mattress" persay. We'll see how it turns out.


Safe Riding,
Todd

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maccwall
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2005-04-27 1:02 PM (#24396 - in reply to #24395)
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Maybe I'm going nut's (which wouldn't surprize me) but I thought we could upload attachments to our threads? Can we not do that anymore??

Safe Riding,
Todd
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-27 3:26 PM (#24404 - in reply to #24395)
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I would love to have a diagram.  I have a full size mattress, but there is no way I can share with my daughter.  She kicks, hoggs the blankets and pillows and can not stay on her own side of the bed. 

$6 a bale isn't horrible if it's just for one horse. I am paying $4 for good "Clean" costal.  You can get it cheaper($3), but it's just field hay and full of weeds that my horses won't eat.  Alfalfa is almost $11.  I am feeding 5lbs of the mare and colt (3lbs) mixed with the alfalfa pellets(2lbs) at 7:30,2:00,and 7:30.  I also give her an extra 2lbs on nights I put on her blanket.  This is by weight.  She also has free acess to pasture during the day and alfalfa at night.   I was just thinking, (shhhh) when I let her in my yard she eats the st. augustine grass but not the bermuda.  (She LOVES my daylillys and roses!)  Maybe she doesn't like it.  I'll have to check and see if there is any timmothy in NM when we go up.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-27 8:01 PM (#24419 - in reply to #24404)
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ASJ
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2005-04-30 10:23 AM (#24527 - in reply to #23862)
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What is the percentage of fiber/roughage in the feed that you are using?
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-05-01 11:43 AM (#24546 - in reply to #24527)
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She is on a local feed that is 6% fiber and alfalfa pellets that are somewhere around 19%.  I am having to change her feed because we are moving to NM and the local brand isn't available up there.  I just started her on Puring Omolene and it has 6.5% fiber and since alfalfa is grown in NM, it is difficult to get the alfalfa pellets, according to the people at the feed stores.   Because of her problem holding weight, my vet recomended a higher protien feed, and the guy at the feed store suggested adding calf mana to her diet because it is something like 26% protien.  It has a fiber content of - min crude fiber 3%, max crude fiber of 6% and a acid detergent fiber at 10%.  What the heck is acid detergent fiber? 
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ASJ
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2005-05-02 12:07 PM (#24574 - in reply to #23862)
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OK.. You may want to try a feed that has around 25% fiber.. I know this sounds like a lot of fiber but when you don't have4 a good hay source you sometimes have to feed hay in your feed.. Purina has a good selection of feed, so ask your dealer about a higher fiber feed. I have a couple of horses that its hard to keep weight on and I feed Strategy. It is a pelleted feed that is 14% protien. it is high in fat also. Makes life so much easier, I can feed it to my young and old horses. You can also get dehydrated Alfalfa in bagged bales that is treated with molasses. The horses really like it.. You can also go to Purina's web sight and get all kind of information.. If your Purina dealer isn't very educated on their feed, let me know and I can put you in contact with someone that is.(My local Dealer can give you all you need). Hope this helps some.. I will do some research and see what I can find out..
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ASJ
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2005-05-02 12:21 PM (#24575 - in reply to #23862)
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Sorry, I should have given you the web address for the livestock area of Purina..You can really get a lot of info there..  www.purinamills.com 
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-05-02 8:49 PM (#24601 - in reply to #24575)
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Thank you.  My mare is doing much better since I started her on the calf mana.  She is eating coastal hay(YEA!!!!!) which she has not done since I got her.  Her appitiet is improving and she is not only holding weight, but gaining muscle.  Her but is finally, after 2 years, almost round!!

I was reading on the purina website about protien defficiencies and she had all the signs.  Which are also the sings of worms and thyroid problems.  She was in such horrid shape that the nutritionist I was talking to at purina said that even though she was on a 16% protien feed, it probally wasn't enough to pull her out of the "hole" she was in.

I can't believe that she is eating HAY!!  I was so excited I called my husband at work.  And thank you so much for the information.  I hope this is what her problem really is.  Nothing else has worked.

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ASJ
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2005-05-02 9:38 PM (#24608 - in reply to #23862)
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Great!! Good luck.. Horses, I swear,, They are treated better than we will ever be.. We may not have the perfect diet, but we sure go thru alot to make sure our babies do.. Hope she continues to improve.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-05-02 10:33 PM (#24614 - in reply to #24608)
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Originally written by ASJ on 2005-05-02 9:38 PM

Great!! Good luck.. Horses, I swear,, They are treated better than we will ever be.. We may not have the perfect diet, but we sure go thru alot to make sure our babies do.. Hope she continues to improve.

Your not kidding.  My husband teases me because I bought a dig. temp gage that you can set to beep at a certian temp.  If it wakes me up at 4 in the morning, i get up and put a blanket on this mare.  My husband will ask if its "time to fluff her magestys pillow and straighten her silk sheets."   I don't tell him what her feed bill is.  He'd fall over.  Bag of feed $9, bale of alfalfa $11.  Last 3 days.  Heart attack and ambulance ride, $200 copay and a year of "well you spend that much on the horse, why cant I put all new speakers in my car.  Again."

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ASJ
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2005-05-03 8:18 AM (#24625 - in reply to #23862)
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I'm still laughing ,,,, I told my husband about your responce and he says that us women are just crazy.. I said yes, but yall wouldn't have it any other way. He said that we would all be rich if we didnt have these dang horses, I told him maybe, but it sure would be boring. He says he hates horses, but he loves them as much as I do. If he didn't he wouldn't spend all his spare time taking care of them too. I haven't ridden in over a year, and now I don't work so he has to buy all the feed, he use to complain when I was buying the feed about how much I was spending, but now that he has to buy it, I don't hear a thing..Funny

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-05-03 10:33 AM (#24633 - in reply to #24625)
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He sounds like my husband.  He may moan and groan at times, but he'd take care of this mare too.  He's just a softy that wants to sound tough.
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