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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-04-20 10:37 PM (#151444)
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On Feb 13,one of our horses was cut badly in the smooth wire fence.She severed an extensor tendon in her hind leg,and had several bad wounds requiring surgery to repair the tendon and stitch the wounds closed.She wore a cast for quiet some time until it had to be removed about 2 weeks ago.She had worn it cut in half (bivalved) for 2 weeks prior,and,she developed a friction ulcer about the size of a quarter on her outer fetlock joint.

 

I have used the vet's medication that he provided for proud flesh control and prevention.Have been able to reduce the leg dressing from every other day to about the 4th day now.She still shows some proud flesh that is developing on the outer leg wounds and,now on the friction ulcer.

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gliderider
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2013-04-21 5:36 PM (#151458 - in reply to #151444)
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when the proud flesh stated to grow Judy used a poultice of scalded milk and ground flax seed. In 1985 my Holstein mare severed a tendon the size of my pinky. Diagonal 15" long cut on her left hind leg inside the hock to upper gaskin, cut all the way to the bone in some spots. The vet said if we hauled her in for surgery (5 hour haul)there was a 50 50 chance the tendon would hold when the cast came off - I didn't have the surgery done, the mare healed fine with just a slight loss to the pick up of her toe - she compensated so well no one ever noticed it. Judy the owner of the stable was an RN who worked in an emergency room and my mother was an RN working in surgery (I had the best in sterile bandage supplies)mom got me some air permeable sheets of sticky stuff that looked like saran wrap we used with the stuff the vet sold me, when the wound started looking all icky and proud flesh stated to grow Judy used a poultice of scalded milk and ground flax seed. We would put it on thick and warm and wrapped it over night, I can't remember how many nights we did that but the vet who was back to the barn 6 weeks later for something else could not believe the great results. Mare had a little normal scar tissue but no proud flesh. I didn't keep her stalled for more than a week, she was kept alone so she didn't to move quick but had room to move at will in a 60 x 60 indoor area most of the time. The accident happened during deer season the stable was putting the horses out at night, a tree fell on the electric fence.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-04-21 11:55 PM (#151464 - in reply to #151458)
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She severed the tendon that operates the toe.She was standing with the hoof "knuckled over." she had to have it repaired surgically,she could not walk.We took 1 1/2 hr to get her across a pasture no more than about 3 acres from the corner to the barn.Neighbor had to come and she would place her foot flat on the ground,I'd lead her forward a step,and,then same thing over and over.The vet said that alternative to surgery,she could try being in a cast for 2 months and during that time,the cast would need to be changed out several times.Same amount of effort and money,in the end,so,we elected for surgery.

Are you talking about what is called "Opsite?" or "Clearsite"? I am an Rn too.We never used that on wounds,it allows drainage seeping from the wound to be held next to the skin and the wound just sits there and kind of 'cooks' in that.I don't see how you got it to stick to a horse anyway,if that is what you used.

Can you give me some idea about the texture of the milk and flaxseed mix? Like a paste? I am willing to try anything to help since we've come this far.

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flatlandfilly
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2013-04-22 10:12 AM (#151476 - in reply to #151464)
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Here's my experience, for what it is worth.

Last year my MFT cut his leg just above the fetlock and running down into it. The vet cleaned and bandaged. When bandage came off I sprayed it with scarlet wound treatment twice a day. Once it closed up I sprayed Vetericyn twice a day. It looked pretty nasty the first few weeks but healed perfectly except for a scar his hair will grow over.

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-04-22 12:37 PM (#151482 - in reply to #151476)
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I have been using some ointment that the vet has made for him,and,I believe it is the same as "Pink Lady" which is nitrofurizone and scarlet oil.I am not a big fan of nitrofurizone,mainly because of the warnings on the jar of the pure product sold on the shelves.

I am trying to graduate back to a less caustic type product,so,maybe I will get the Red Scarlet and just use that instead.Plus Vetricyn.I really like the product Eclipse,too. Thanks.



Edited by crowleysridgegirl 2013-04-22 12:38 PM
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cowgirldi34
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2013-04-29 2:36 PM (#151663 - in reply to #151444)
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Try UNDERWOODS
solution. Used on a gaping wound, front leg/shoulder/ stitches would not hold together on my gelding just last spring. AMAZING results in just 4 weeks!! You just spray it lightly on area, dust with baking powder(yes, looks gross at first) Treat 2 times daily, do NOT wash area, just keep treating. Awesome stuff!! I always keep a bottle on hand. Found mine on ebay, but there are some places that stock it. Good luck!!
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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2013-04-30 1:19 AM (#151685 - in reply to #151444)
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My mare did the same thing to her fetlock. I had to have a cast put on her which i had to have removed 2- or 3 weeks early due to an ulcer that started oozing right through the cast! So, had the vet come out and removed the cast. I bandaged that leg daily and I used Neosporin...lots of it. I had NO issues at all with proud flesh. And she ripped herself from the middle of her leg down to the navicular bone. I had her in a clean stall that I personally cleaned 2x a day.
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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2013-04-30 1:30 AM (#151686 - in reply to #151444)
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what materials are you using to wrap her leg with? I would remove my mares old dressing and I would let her graze for an hour before I applied the new bandage. I wanted to let as much air as it could possibly get. I made sure we grazed in an area that had very short grass and no dust.

 

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sinful
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2013-05-01 5:55 PM (#151731 - in reply to #151444)
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I second the Underwoods, that stuff is amazing!
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Are we there yet
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2013-05-02 4:34 PM (#151752 - in reply to #151444)
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I third Underwoods. fantastic stuff.
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mulerider01
Reg. Aug 2012
Posted 2013-05-05 4:10 PM (#151800 - in reply to #151444)
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I 4th underwoods
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bbsmfg3
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2013-05-05 5:46 PM (#151801 - in reply to #151800)
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Underwoods is fine when it works. Sometimes it doesn't.

My first choice is Granulex V by Pfizer.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-05-07 1:02 AM (#151816 - in reply to #151686)
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we used the vet's recommendations,thick cotton bandaging with Vetwrap as an overlay.She had to have the support plus,the cast had to be protected.She can't be turned out to graze,she has to be confined.She could make a sudden movement and tear the healing tendon apart again,back to square one.We've spent over 6K on this mare from this injury.I think she's going to be OK,now.I have used Underwoods on the wounds,also Lacerum,and,Eclipse.On the cast ulcer,I used what we nurses once used on pressure ulcers in the nursing home: Maalox mixed with corn starch.It seemed to speed the healing up dramatically.

 

We also used Granulex,back in the day,on pressure ulcers/bedsores.It was a good product,too.But it was too cheap,the medical companies had to have their heyday and hands out,of course,so,more expensive and attractive new products replaced the things that worked at that time.

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-05-07 1:05 AM (#151817 - in reply to #151685)
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Originally written by jackbrat on 2013-04-30 1:19 AM

My mare did the same thing to her fetlock. I had to have a cast put on her which i had to have removed 2- or 3 weeks early due to an ulcer that started oozing right through the cast! So, had the vet come out and removed the cast. I bandaged that leg daily and I used Neosporin...lots of it. I had NO issues at all with proud flesh. And she ripped herself from the middle of her leg down to the navicular bone. I had her in a clean stall that I personally cleaned 2x a day.

 

same thing happened,here.The bivalve (two piece) cast that the vet had on her about 3 weeks after she wore the solid cast,caused an ulcer under it,we had to have it removed about a week or so early.She was pretty far along,until I had that additional wound to deal with.we have kept her in a stall that I/we have cleaned twice a day,also.It's been one more rough winter/spring.

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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2013-05-07 1:27 AM (#151818 - in reply to #151816)
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I grazed my mare on a lead line. I didn't turn her out to graze
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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2013-05-07 1:32 AM (#151819 - in reply to #151817)
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so sorry you are having to go through this all. It was a hard time for me too when I had to do this with my mare. How my mare missed her joints.... I don't know. Pure luck I guess. She is now healed and sound for now. The tear did cause the back part of her coronary band (toward the heel bulbs) to change shape. That heel is more contracted now and the hoof wall has grown a little weird. Now I am worried about scar tissue causing issues later in her life from that injury
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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2013-05-07 1:42 AM (#151820 - in reply to #151819)
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Looking back on it now, I do wish that I had taken pics  and video of it all. The different stages of wrapping especially. I was sooo positive that this horse was going to be alright because I was so diligent about EVERYTHING involving her care. The vet hospital told me it was a 50/50 as they were worried about her getting an infection. After all that..the mare and I have a different bond to each other now. She knew I was helping her and she is a different horse towards me now.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-05-07 6:10 PM (#151829 - in reply to #151820)
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You know,that seems to have happened here,also.Our vet gave us a very good prognosis,however,I,being a nurse,know that medicine is not an exact science in many ways.I've poured more time,money and work into her than any other,and,we've had wounds before around our place.thank goodness,it was not my prized mare,but,any of ours are family,thus,the investment.

We hesitate to take her out right yet,even on a lead line.The day we tried it,on unstable ground,she seemed too unsteady and too apt to "knuckle over" on her hoof.She's rowdy,also.When the vet gives us the all clear,which should be in about 3 more weeks,we'll turn her out in a round pen and then small pasture.

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joskt0204
Reg. Aug 2012
Posted 2013-05-09 9:12 AM (#151852 - in reply to #151444)
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Underwood's says right on the bottle not to use it below the knee.


I like Equiaide.

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-05-10 1:22 AM (#151867 - in reply to #151852)
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what about the hock? because,as you know,they have no knee on their hind legs.
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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2013-05-10 10:48 PM (#151895 - in reply to #151444)
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I also highly recommend Lacerum and its sister products, Eclipse wound wash and salve.  No connection to the company, but have seen dramatic results on what had been long term catastrophic injuries, hoof, body, and tendon...
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joskt0204
Reg. Aug 2012
Posted 2013-05-11 4:11 PM (#151910 - in reply to #151867)
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Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2013-05-10 1:22 AM

what about the hock? because,as you know,they have no knee on their hind legs.

 

I guess that's a question to ask Underwood's, as they are the people who put the statement on the bottle.

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Dunoir
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2013-05-14 11:25 AM (#151981 - in reply to #151444)
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A good friend of mine (former paramedic and EMT) has developed a fantastic salve that works great on proud flesh, thrush, any kind of cuts, and pythyois which is runnning rampent in Fla this year.  she has a facebook site - look up Denise's All Heal Salve.  The salve is made of all natural ingredients and you can even eat it and feed it to your horse to remove the toxins from their system.

I'm currently using it on my horse's front feet as he has a chronic case of thrush and it is working well.  I've tried alot of products and this is the only thing that has worked.  I don't get any money from her for posting this, just wanted to pass on the info to horse owners.  On her FB page you can see various cases she is treating with great success.

 

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sinful
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2013-05-25 9:07 AM (#152245 - in reply to #151444)
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2013-05-26 10:11 PM (#152257 - in reply to #151981)
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Thanks,will check it out!
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