Posted 2010-12-08 7:40 PM (#127904 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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We are our own worst enemy. The dollar leads us, right and wrong. How many species can we eradicate in our quest to build the best house on the beach? Is the future ever considered? When we change nature, we change our futures as well, and it will never be for the best.
Posted 2010-12-09 6:48 AM (#127913 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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OK. Now my hair is on fire again!!! I am probably an unpopular, outspoken poster on this site, but the uncanny greed that people are exibiting in this country chaps my butt!!! (and some of the people who are referenced here are in my own family) We are going to sacrifice every place worth seeing for some cheesy little cottages for some wealthy A-hole to play on weekends...yet, we will travel around the world to defend the rights of people who don't care enough to change, while leaving hungry and homeless here to suffer. I can scarcely even recognize the country (USA)that I grew up in. Is it a wonder that people around the world despise us???
Posted 2010-12-09 8:59 AM (#127915 - in reply to #127904) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Originally written by fanghangbo on 2010-12-08 8:40 PM
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Posted 2010-12-09 12:22 PM (#127918 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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I see if differently...I hold no romantic notions that the horses come first and people second. What is so greedy about spending your hard earned money on something you want ( like vacation land and a house? We are talking about taxpayer money funding something as useless as wild horses. I'd rather see them eliminated as to save taxpayers untold millions managing wild horses. If they ( residents) want to manage horses,then set up a voluntary fund ( no taxpayer money) to pay for the expense. Otherwise,I have bigger problems and so does this country.
Posted 2010-12-10 11:05 PM (#127951 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Wild horses are about as useless as majestic mountains, wide-open prairies, southwestern sunsets, and the wild trails we all like to escape to with our domestic horses. There is just something about free-roaming horses that is good for the soul.
Posted 2010-12-11 6:25 AM (#127953 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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They are part of history. They helped the indians and white man tremendously. How can anyone, especially horse people, not acknowledge and respect this? So now that they are no longer needed, we're just going to disgard them? It is selfish and arrogant.
Posted 2010-12-11 7:37 AM (#127954 - in reply to #127953) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Gone... don't ya think they would like to dispose of some of us as we age and lose our worth also??? They are a part of history, and a part of the soul in the few wild parts left in this country...
Hey ya'll, do any of you remember the movie "Soylent Green"????
Posted 2010-12-13 4:08 PM (#128010 - in reply to #127915) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Originally written by gard on 2010-12-09 8:59 AM
Originally written by fanghangbo on 2010-12-08 8:40 PM
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Posted 2010-12-14 1:11 PM (#128037 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Hey,to a couple of posters on the thread: I just supplied the link.This is a horse forum,after all,and,that article dealt with horses.Just sayin.Did not express my opinion on this one,either way.It is what it is.
Posted 2010-12-15 10:22 AM (#128056 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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CRG, I don't think anyone was picking on you. I and many of the posters were quite put off by the idea that it's ok to eradicate species, so that people with too much money and no brains, can build mega houses and feel its proper to do so.
Posted 2010-12-16 10:32 AM (#128072 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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To qualify, I don't have much of an opinion on this topic, due to lack of information. But, some of the arguments posted here are quite ridiculous.
Feral horses are quite differnt from natural resources such as mountains, prairies, and sunsets.
Why shouldn't somebody be able to spend their money (earned, inherited, or otherwise) as they wish on a piece of private property?
Feral horses are indeed part of history. Many things are: the Declaration of Independence, the exploration of the west, slavery, the automobile, baseball, space exploration, indian reservations, etc. Which ones are commemorated and which are not? I honestly don't know who decides.
Posted 2010-12-16 12:43 PM (#128084 - in reply to #128072) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Originally written by jdzaharia on 2010-12-16 10:32 AM
To qualify, I don't have much of an opinion on this topic, due to lack of information. But, some of the arguments posted here are quite ridiculous.
Feral horses are quite differnt from natural resources such as mountains, prairies, and sunsets.
Why shouldn't somebody be able to spend their money (earned, inherited, or otherwise) as they wish on a piece of private property?
Feral horses are indeed part of history. Many things are: the Declaration of Independence, the exploration of the west, slavery, the automobile, baseball, space exploration, indian reservations, etc. Which ones are commemorated and which are not? I honestly don't know who decides.
Rediculous? Why? History should be preserved. History is why we are here now. It is important. Having money doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want. But rich people do more so than not by buying their way so they can get their way even if it affects land, people, and animals. I think we can simply agree to disagree.....civilly.
Posted 2010-12-16 3:21 PM (#128088 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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I just want to make a correlation. The house I live in and the property I live on, all used to be a cattle farm and planted fields of corn. Now that I moved on to this property, does this make me a bad person for "re-homing" those cattle--thats 100 less cattle and 15 less acres of corn crop..? They were not native to MY property. But in saying that, your home, my home, everyone on here's homes --even vacation spots, homes, hotels, condo's, campgrounds, etc.--were placed in some animals natural habitat. Does that make our existence or search for creature comfort perpetually wrong? I don't think so. Does this make us "snobby rich people" or "arrogant?" Again, I don't think so.
Only when it affects the horses? Come on people. This same thing affects squirrels, coyotes, deer, and other numerous animals every day. No passionate disagreeing with this?
Are the horses dangerous? One says feral and some will say "they're my new project."
Personally, I think they should attempt to re-home them to a different beach already inhabited with wild horses, but who says they'll survive? There they will have other herds to contend with, but this will possibly bring back much of the wild horse population and get the in-breeding out.
Unfortunately, this hits at home with most horse people because we have close relationships with our DOMESTIC horses. Yes, horses have helped humans for centuries and they still do today, but I just can't see or understand the passion that some have on this topic. It's almost hypocritical.
With that being said, I do believe that we can enjoy creature comforts without "human guilt" because we all do our own part in preserving our environment. We have national forests, nature preserves, and caring human beings that God has entrusted his creatures with. I think that is something we all can agree with.
Posted 2010-12-16 5:15 PM (#128091 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Hey! Why don't we "RE-HOME" some of these people to somewhere they can regain some perspective on what this country is about??? like, um... Afganistan?? After we get that done, we can focus on letting only people with I.Q. s of over 160 who are thin, blue eyed blonds have children, and we can put old people in special reservations- then send them on special cruises like the ones on TV news a couple of weeks ago.... ( Sorry, just my sick sense of humor)
Posted 2010-12-16 7:52 PM (#128097 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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There has to be guidelines when it comes to the environment and the species inhabitating it. There has to be a respectable balance. Believe it or not we are not superior. We are just another warm blooded mammal in this big world.
Posted 2010-12-17 8:47 AM (#128117 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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We are our own worst enemy. We have been given guardianship of the most valuable gift of all, and we are destroying it. Greed, money, power, incompetence, any or all of these are the roots of the problem. We are systematically destroying the very environment in which we live. We are polluting the air we breath, the water we drink, and the land under our homes. We have eradicated entire ecological systems, animal species and humans alike.
We have left a lesser place for our children and their children. Our short sighteness has irrevocably robbed them of the pleasures we've enjoyed and and the lives we've experienced.
Sixty horses on a barrier island doesn't sound like much. Once they're gone, all the foilage is denuded, and the land is reshaped, the developers can make their money, and the mega millions can be spent for the ultimate grandiose edifices. The original environment is forever changed. Eventually many of these homes will be destroyed. Without the original foilage and the shape of the islands to protect them, the hurricanes can now sweep unabated across the homes, causing widespread damage.
We believe we're better than nature, that we can control it and master it. It's easy to destroy a few horses and claim their property. What we can't do well, is properly manage it when they're gone.
Posted 2010-12-17 9:25 AM (#128120 - in reply to #128091) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Originally written by calamityj on 2010-12-16 6:15 PM
Hey! Why don't we "RE-HOME" some of these people to somewhere they can regain some perspective on what this country is about??? like, um... Afganistan?? After we get that done, we can focus on letting only people with I.Q. s of over 160 who are thin, blue eyed blonds have children, and we can put old people in special reservations- then send them on special cruises like the ones on TV news a couple of weeks ago.... ( Sorry, just my sick sense of humor)
Really?
Moving on. I don't think it is okay to kill the horses off, nor do I believe that we are a superior species--the human population sure lives like we are, though. I think we need to be good stewards with what has been given to us to care for and watch over. If that means "re-homing" the horses to another place where they have the opportunity to flourish, then I am all for it. My point in all of this was that if you're going to get up in arms over some horses then its time for you to get up in arms about every other living thing thats "eradicated" across the globe every day. Who decides what is right and wrong? I agree, the greed and so on has gotten the country in a lot of trouble and it is the "wealthy a-holes" that have put us here. But if some horses getting picked on is going to chap your butt, then let the dimishing population of Bald Eagles, cardinals, etc. chap your butt as well. We can all boycott this "development" by never going to another vacation spot, campground, etc. and limiting our inhabitance to the very spot we live. Is that going to happen? No.
It is an unfortunate situation, that is a given. Could it be handled differently? Absolutely.
Posted 2010-12-17 9:40 AM (#128124 - in reply to #125040) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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I should qualify "superior species." I don't think that we are supposed to look at ourselves as being on a pedestal over other animals. We are another warm-blooded mammal that is superior in the sense that we are given the ability to do several things that horses, monkeys, pigs, dogs, and so on cannot do. Because of this, it has become our responsibility to care for those that can't.
Again, I do not agree with what is going on with these horses, but I do not agree with a lot of things this government does. Whole other topic..
I will also readily admit that I will not be picketing the OBX and having everyone signing a petition to keep the horses there and the developers out. So what I have to say or my opinion is moot with no action. The same goes with the new vacation resort going up 20 min from my house.
Posted 2010-12-17 10:30 AM (#128126 - in reply to #128117) Subject: RE: Wild Horses of NC outer banks
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Originally written by gard on 2010-12-17 8:47 AM
We are our own worst enemy. We have been given guardianship of the most valuable gift of all, and we are destroying it. Greed, money, power, incompetence, any or all of these are the roots of the problem. We are systematically destroying the very environment in which we live. We are polluting the air we breath, the water we drink, and the land under our homes. We have eradicated entire ecological systems, animal species and humans alike.
We have left a lesser place for our children and their children. Our short sighteness has irrevocably robbed them of the pleasures we've enjoyed and and the lives we've experienced.
Sixty horses on a barrier island doesn't sound like much. Once they're gone, all the foilage is denuded, and the land is reshaped, the developers can make their money, and the mega millions can be spent for the ultimate grandiose edifices. The original environment is forever changed. Eventually many of these homes will be destroyed. Without the original foilage and the shape of the islands to protect them, the hurricanes can now sweep unabated across the homes, causing widespread damage.
We believe we're better than nature, that we can control it and master it. It's easy to destroy a few horses and claim their property. What we can't do well, is properly manage it when they're gone.
I'm not picking on gard directly, just using his post to further the discussion, and gard is really good at making a point clear.
This sounds all sappy, poetic, and PC, and almost brought a tear to my eye, but I've got two statements and then a question:
The horses aren't natural to the area. The houses aren't natural to the area. Which one is more nobel?
Wild Horses of NC outer banks
Hey! Why don't we "RE-HOME" some of these people to somewhere they can regain some perspective on what this country is about??? like, um... Afganistan?? After we get that done, we can focus on letting only people with I.Q. s of over 160 who are thin, blue eyed blonds have children, and we can put old people in special reservations- then send them on special cruises like the ones on TV news a couple of weeks ago.... ( Sorry, just my sick sense of humor)