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| So if it wasnt possible to get another truck, what is the best combination for a trailer to get?
Can my truck tow a gooseneck? Thats what I would prefer. What if the trailer was all aluminum? My truck is a 2001 Dodge Ram 1500. It is Quad Cab, 2WD, short bed. It has extra leaf springs in the back. I plan on calling some trailer dealers to ask their opinions as well, but everyone here seems very knowledgeable! My main thing is I have 3 horses, and a 2 horse trailer. I would rather be able to haul all three if needed. If that cant be done with my truck, I guess I will be saving for a new one. Thank you again for your help! |
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Location: south of Cowtown, TEXAS | Yes, you'll need to get at least a 3/4 ton to pull 3 horses even if the trailer is aluminum.
A 3/4 ton is all you'd need but for some reason 1 tons are cheaper nowdays (have no idea why?!) You *should* be able to pull a 2h aluminum (no LQ) with the truck you have now.
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| Nevermind I found it.
So a 3/4 ton truck is like a Ford F250?
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Location: south of Cowtown, TEXAS | Originally written by brrlrcer3 on 2005-06-23 8:35 PM Nevermind I found it.
So a 3/4 ton truck is like a Ford F250?
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| Thank you for you help. Now I need to find a bank to loan me the money for a new truck and trailer!  I may need to sell my horses and all my tack just to get a horse trailer! wait...that wont work! lol Thank you again, I am sure I will have more questions soon, and I know where to come. |
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| If you were hankering after a 4 horse trailer...
I'd guess you won't be content with a 3/4 ton truck and it's limitations, so I suggest you think this through very carefully.
I don't have numbers handy, but from memory of other threads that have discussed the F250 I seem to remember it having a relatively low payload.
This may be only for the 4WD with diesel, or I may have remembered incorrecly. In any case I sugggest you shop primarily for payload capacity, you can probably learn to live with the name on the emblems (-:
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Location: South Central OK | An F250 can have it's payload raised by installing Timbren's etc. The lower(than F350)payload is due to the longer leaf springs which were changed to increase ride quality. You'll still need to know exactly the rating on your axle. I'd warn highly against asking trailer dealers what you can haul on your truck. THEY ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN SELLING THE TRAILER! It'll be your faul once the darned truck breaks down! We had a lady on here a few years ago that was sold an 8'LQ three horse trailer by a dealer, knowing she drove a 1/2 ton truck! She came here asking questions found out she'd been taken to the bank and was stuck paying on a trailer for which she now couldn't afford a truck to pull it around with. Keep your eyes open, and if it sounds to good or you have to "do the deal today." Walk out laughing...
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Location: Kansas City | Come on folks - don't scare the lady to death. Yes a 3/4 ton would be perfect. However, you can pull a 3 horse (better a BP they are lighter) with little problems if you are not making cross country, over high mountains, etc trips. Not the best thing but OK. I have an 02 Ram Quad cab with a 5.9L (360) engine pulling a 05 CM steel 3 horse slant, front dressing, rear tack with three 1200 lb qtr horses. I haul six saddles and all the garb for my kids to show from halter, performance to speed. My truck will maintain 70 mph on any hill (sucks gas) and stop the trailer just fine. My dad was a over-the-road truck driver and I grew up on a commercial farm pulling "lots" of different things. I would love to have a 3/4 ton - it is INDEED better but not a kill all deal to keep someone sitting on the sidelines because they can't have one. I can't speak for the 01 Dodge but the new Dodge Ram Quad Cab 1500 4x2 (Dodge Website) states the towing capacity 8,900 pounds. The gross vehicle GCWR is 14,000 lbs. I figure 3,500 for the trailer, 3,600 for the horses and that leaves me 1,800 to spare. Add an extra 1,000 for a gooseneck versus a BP and you are still OK. No you can't add a LQ with slideouts. There are people who make do with just under the best. My advice is check out your vehicle ratings. Consult a trusted mechanic. I agree with others DO not ask the trailer seller. |
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Location: sc | Originally written by barry on 2005-06-24 8:15 AM Come on folks - don't scare the lady to death. Yes a 3/4 ton would be perfect. However, you can pull a 3 horse (better a BP they are lighter) with little problems if you are not making cross country, over high mountains, etc trips. Not the best thing but OK. I have an 02 Ram Quad cab with a 5.9L (360) engine pulling a 05 CM steel 3 horse slant, front dressing, rear tack with three 1200 lb qtr horses. I haul six saddles and all the garb for my kids to show from halter, performance to speed. My truck will maintain 70 mph on any hill (sucks gas) and stop the trailer just fine. My dad was a over-the-road truck driver and I grew up on a commercial farm pulling "lots" of different things. I would love to have a 3/4 ton - it is INDEED better but not a kill all deal to keep someone sitting on the sidelines because they can't have one. I can't speak for the 01 Dodge but the new Dodge Ram Quad Cab 1500 4x2 (Dodge Website) states the towing capacity 8,900 pounds. The gross vehicle GCWR is 14,000 lbs. I figure 3,500 for the trailer, 3,600 for the horses and that leaves me 1,800 to spare. Add an extra 1,000 for a gooseneck versus a BP and you are still OK. No you can't add a LQ with slideouts. There are people who make do with just under the best. My advice is check out your vehicle ratings. Consult a trusted mechanic. I agree with others DO not ask the trailer seller. |
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Location: Iowa | Barry,
Not to pick a fight...since you obviously are an experienced hauler--but you are making a mistake that all too many people make...you are basing your towing decision by what the manufacturer lists as maximum trailer towining weight...the 8900 lbs. That is for a base model truck with one person on board and no options.
What you really have to look at is payload...not just what your truck can pull, but how much you can put ON your truck. The only way to figure payload is to get the actual weight of your truck (with EVERYTHING on it--options, fuel, things you carrry, people, hitch,fuzzy dice, etc) and subtract that from your GVWR. That is your payload...and if you go over it, even if you are under your "tow rating", you are overweight.
In my case, for example, my actual truck weighs 5600 lbs and my GVWR is 6600 lbs. So I have 1000 lbs left for payload. My "tow rating" is 7200 lbs. So, lets say I put a 7000 lbs. gooseneck on my truck, which technically is 200 lbs under my "tow rating". I should be okay, right? Nope. The pin weight would be about 20%...or about 1400 lbs.
Right there...I'm over my GVWR by 400 lbs... (5600 actual weight plus 1400 lbs pin weight equals 7000 bls--400 lbs over my 6600 GVWR). Sure the truck can pull it...people do it all the time. But no matter how you argue it, it is over the limit by 400 lbs. People need to understand this, and not just go by those bogus "tow ratings" the manufacturers put out.
Huntseat...you can't up your vehicle payload by adding Timbrens. This is another very common misconception. Payload is your actual truck weight subtracted from your GVWR. Your GVWR is set by the manufacturer, and can't be changed unless you go through a certification process at a mechanic's shop. Adding timbrens can keep your vehicle from sagging, but will not add to your payload one ounce. Actually, it will subtract from your payload--you now have to add the weight of the Timbrens to your actual vehicle weight!!
You can, however, add to your GCVR (gross combined vehicle rating) by changing to lower gears, addding a bigger motor, etc.
Please understand that I am not a member of the "you must have a 1-ton dually" club. I'm just saying that you need to understand the numbers, and then make your decision as to whether or not you want to "exceed" them. Many, many, many people go over their numbers...almost all of my friends are technically over their weights. They are reasonable people, who drive intelligently, and have made the decision that their setup of truck and trailer are safe.
But you really need to know your numbers, if nothing else just from a legal standpoint, and THEN make the decision if you want to exceed them or not. The numbers are the numbers...whether we like it or not, or agree with them or not, or have personal experience that says our truck pulls and stops just fine "over" the numbers. Know your numbers, then make your own decisions.
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Location: Kansas City | Originally written by Flooper on 2005-06-24 8:25 AM
...In my case, for example, my actual truck weighs 5600 lbs and my GVWR is 6600 lbs. So I have 1000 lbs left for payload. My "tow rating" is 7200 lbs. So, lets say I put a 7000 lbs. gooseneck on my truck, which technically is 200 lbs under my "tow rating". I should be okay, right? Nope. The pin weight would be about 20%...or about 1400 lbs. Right there...I'm over my GVWR by 400 lbs... (5600 actual weight plus 1400 lbs pin weight equals 7000 bls--400 lbs over my 6600 GVWR). . I agree - however from the Dodge website - again I don't know about '01s, the new Dodge with Quad cab (4 doors) and auto tranny has a GVWR of 6650 and a curb weight of 5015. That leaves 1635 which is under the 1400 that you calculate on the hitch. This corresponds to the Dogde website that states the payload capacity is 1690. You still would be within specs on a half ton. Not by much but still do-able and still affordable for the poster. Now, given the person is looking for the economy version of this deal I would suppose they might want to consider a BP trailer. I do no believe that I put 1400 lbs on my bumper when I hook up. I don't know for sure - but my truck doesn't squat hardly at all when hitched and the trailer is fully loaded. In fact, I had to go with a 4" drop (male end) to get the trailer tongue low enough to travel level. Also, for the people like me who are have to consider a half ton. Forget the 4x4. The extra differential and suspension adds to the truck weight that Flooper mentioned. Having 4x4 can add 700-1000 lbs of truck weight over a 4x2. This cuts your towing capacity by 1 horse. PS In response to Chadsalt -- Can you imagine that on this website there are Sundowner and 4-Star bumper pull trailers even in 4 horse models? But then WW still mfgs single axle trailers too. Go figure... |
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Location: Iowa | Originally written by barry on 2005-06-24 8:50 AM
. I agree - however from the Dodge website - again I don't know about '01s, the new Dodge with Quad cab (4 doors) and auto tranny has a GVWR of 6650 and a curb weight of 5015. That leaves 1635 which is under the 1400 that you calculate on the hitch. This corresponds to the Dogde website that states the payload capacity is 1690. You still would be within specs on a half ton. Not by much but still do-able and still affordable for the poster/QUOTE]
Barry,
Again, please don't think I'm trying to pick a fight. I'm just trying to help people understand this very confusing numbers game. The listed "curb weight" of 5015 lbs you mentioned is for a standard truck, no options, stipped to the max....it's another bogus number because most people don't buy a stripped truck with no options at all.
Using my truck, for example again...it has a listed "curb weight" of 5100 lbs in the Dodge Manual. But the actual curb weight of my truck with options, etc. is 5600 lbs...so I actually have 500 lbs less payload than stated in the manual. If you read carefully in the manual, the manufacturer eventually get around to telling you that ANY addditional weight (including options, etc, people over 150 lbs) MUST be added to the stated curb weight and subtracted from payload...they just tend to bury it in the fine print, and so people often aren't even aware of it...and this leads to a lot of miscalculations. That's why you have to know the actual weight of your truck--by going to a scale, etc.
Another way to look at it is to take the truck you used as an example.
Curb weight of 5015lbs...then add a passenger 150 lbs, , a goosneck hitch 150 lbs, power windows and locks 70 lbs, 4wd 200 lbs, "stuff" you carry in the truck 50 lbs, running boards 40 lbs, tranny cooler 15 lbs, heavy duty alternator 10 lbs...and all of a sudden the real curb weight of the truck is around 5700 lbs (a typical weight for these trucks)...which only leaves 950 lbs for payload, not the 1635 lbs listed by the manufacturer. That's where it gets so confusing for people...they forget that every ounce of weight they add to a truck, whether it's cargo, options or whatnot...must be subtracted from the manufacturer's stated "payload".
I think the manufacturer's do a very poor job of explaining this to people.
You are exacly right that you can haul a heavier BP than a gooseneck, because the BP puts less weight on the truck than a goose (10-15% of trailer weight vs 20-25% of trailer weight). I was using the gooseneck example, because the OP was asking about goosenecks, not BPs.
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Location: Kansas City | No fights -- Just differing opinions. As grown ups we are supposed to be able to read through all the opinions posted here. Each of us make our own reasoned decisions which each us then have to deal with. This forum is better than the news. There you get one opinion and you don't know what is right. Here you get your opinion and mine plus others. That is a good thing! |
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| This isn't "Another Hauling Question"
it is the SAME OLD TRUCK CAPACITY question.
It has been asked and answered SO MANY TIMES ! here and in the various truck and RV forums.
PLEASE read existing threads, preferably BEFORE asking questions that have already been covered - MANY TIMES.
BTW, just for fun I'll add that putting on Timbrens, overload springs, wunder boosters or whatever else does NOT change the rating of a truck - even if they're bright lime green, yellow or orange. They might bring the back end up a bit, but they don't LEGALLY make an F250 into an F350. You can still be ticketed for being over the weight rating of the vehicle as manufactured, with likely insurance cancellation. I wouldn't want to have the discussion at a weigh station about having put bigger tires, axles, brakes and springs onto a truck and thereby having brought it up to the spec of a different truck. If the OP is considering a F250/350 truck they should probably go for the F350, which at this time is probably available as a better deal than the F250 anyway.
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| Originally written by Reg on 2005-06-24 10:08 AM
This isn't "Another Hauling Question" it is the SAME OLD TRUCK CAPACITY question. It has been asked and answered SO MANY TIMES ! here and in the various truck and RV forums. PLEASE read existing threads, preferably BEFORE asking questions that have already been covered - MANY TIMES. wow sorry i guess i know where NOT to come from now on. You cant learn unless you ask, if you didnt want to answer you didnt need to. |
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Location: North Carolina | Originally written by brrlrcer3 on 2005-06-24 11:34 PM Originally written by Reg on 2005-06-24 10:08 AM
This isn't "Another Hauling Question" it is the SAME OLD TRUCK CAPACITY question. It has been asked and answered SO MANY TIMES ! here and in the various truck and RV forums. PLEASE read existing threads, preferably BEFORE asking questions that have already been covered - MANY TIMES. wow sorry i guess i know where NOT to come from now on. You cant learn unless you ask, if you didnt want to answer you didnt need to. Brrlrcer3 .. Don't feel slighted... Like any forum you'll encounter many opinions. good, bad, indifferent, That's what makes it so valuable and helpful. Reg is correct, that this discussion has happened many times. He has pointed you to a source for more opinions than those just on this thread. (you can do a search on this forum for various topics) In that way, He has contributed to answering your question. So this question is asked many times...But, each time, someone comes away a little more educated on what's important to highway safety. That affects everyone of us on the road. Experianced haulers and novices alike... |
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Location: Albany, Oregon | brrlrcer3!!! Hold on there! As you can see by all the answers here the question is very debatable! The tow rating is based on the configuration of your truck. Engine size, transmission type, rearend gear ratio, transmission, towing package,ect....the trailer size you are looking at(3h G/N) is on the the edge (over) of unsafe! but not impossible. If the truck has a towing package,and the 360ci(5.9l) I would consider no more than a 2-horse no frills G/N or maybe a 16' B/P stock combo trailer. If your horses get along just a stock trailer big enough to fit all three. I wouldn't omit the bumper pull idea with a weight distributing hitch either. The G/N weighs more. You have to keep the weight of the trailer as little as possible! Another variable I would consider in your final decision is your hauling distance. National? Reigonial?State?County? The longer the haul the harder on your animals, equipment and driver. I think in your owners manual it will tell you your maximum tow weight. Subtract the weight of the animals plus maybe 500# for tack and stuff. Around maybe 3,500# If your truck has a tow rating of 7,500# the trailer would have to weigh less than 4000# That would max you out. A little on the stressful side on a long haul. Anyway get your trucks tow rating and equipment and get back and I'm sure you will bunch of good debatable answers! |
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Location: PA | Again, Chadsalt, you choose to insult everyone with an opinion different from your own. I hadn't posted on this site for a while. Now I remember why. |
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Location: sc | Originally written by barry on 2005-06-24 9:50 AM PS In response to Chadsalt -- Can you imagine that on this website there are Sundowner and 4-Star bumper pull trailers even in 4 horse models? But then WW still mfgs single axle trailers too. Go figure... i cant even imagine how large a truck you would need for a 4H BP.....just kidding. and im sure glad several other people commented on the timbrens statement, id sure hate to insult anyone else who has a "different opinion". oh wait.....the GVWR is set by the manuf and is not an opinion. looks like im dealing in facts again. like flooper said you can change gears, engines and such to "technically" raise a limit but youll still have to get another "label" to be "legal", dont know how that would turn out. anyone ever tried? Edited by chadsalt 2005-06-24 2:11 PM
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Location: sc | Originally written by hav2ride on 2005-06-24 12:45 PM
Again, Chadsalt, you choose to insult everyone with an opinion different from your own. I hadn't posted on this site for a while. Now I remember why. as ive said before, i dont try to insult anyone, might make a few smarta$$ comments though. and its not the opinons im disagreeing with, it is a free country after all, its when these opinions are stated as fact.....and it is NOT a fact that towing at the GCWR is unsafe.........thats the problem. i generally deal in facts, theyre harder to prove wrong, and not nearly as much to argue about.
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Location: Albany, Oregon | {"nice..........another voice of reason. and, if i understand the post correctly, apparently another capable memeber of the "under-trucked club". and you mean they actually make a 3 horse BP? why would they make such a thing, surely it would be an uncontrolable sway monster, unfit to be towed by anything less than a 2 ton....sorry couldnt help myself."} Wow dude! What a statement! If you didn't know they made one how do you know how it tows?
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Location: sc | Originally written by xyzer on 2005-06-24 3:29 PM {"nice..........another voice of reason. and, if i understand the post correctly, apparently another capable memeber of the "under-trucked club". and you mean they actually make a 3 horse BP? why would they make such a thing, surely it would be an uncontrolable sway monster, unfit to be towed by anything less than a 2 ton....sorry couldnt help myself."} Wow dude! What a statement! If you didn't know they made one how do you know how it tows?
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Location: Iowa | Originally written by xyzer on 2005-06-24 2:29 PM
Wow dude! What a statement! If you didn't know they made one how do you know how it tows?
And I think I hear the sound of sarcasm screaming by, unnoticed, over someone's head hehehe!
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| Let me try it again - hopefully in a more positive tone.
There is a WEALTH of knowledge in this forum, I have certainly learned a lot here and I try to pass on (give back) as much as I can, as do many others.
There is FAR TOO MUCH knowledge in this forum for us (the collective "us") to gather up and regurgitate in response to any particular question that arises EVERY TIME that question arises.
I earnestly suggest/recommend that new readers take the time to compose searhes for existing topics that might address their questions, this has several advantages;
1) It will lead you to questions and answers that are related - that you may not have thought to ask.
2) You will see the replies within seconds instead of having to wait days for our replies.
3) You will get to see several versions of what is essentially the same question asked and answered in different ways. From this you can PROBABLY get more perspective if it isn't a yes/no or black/white answer.
4) You will practice and improve your search engine skills, useful in lots of places, not just here.
5) I won't fly off the handle at Ya (-:
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Location: PA | Offended? No, not the correct terminology. Disgusted and tired of your smart a$$ remarks is more like it. FYI, according to "The Dictionary of American Slang", a smart a$$ is "a person who has too much self-confidence; one who thinks he knows everything; an obnoxious extovert". Try voicing your opinions in more of an adult, respectful manner. Oh, and BTW, the 4H BPs that I see, and I do see quite a few, are all being pulled behind 36 -40' motorhomes. Are they being idiotic too because they are "overtrucked"? (A rhetorical question. Don't bother commenting.) |
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| Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-24 7:45 PM
land of the free, home of the easily offended
Only those with liddul twux and mini suvs, the "under trucked" (-:
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Location: Western WA | Seems to me those of us who are allegedly over-trucked just like to have a wider margin of safety than those who are comfortable pulling a trailer of the maximum recommended weight recommended by the manufacturer. I think where the over-trucked / under trucked line gets drawn, is those of us that don't believe and don't recommend you pull a horsetrailer at the maximum recommended weight, take into consideration we are hauling a live load that moves. Horses are also one of the worst possible weight/height configurations for a load - topheavy. So while a 1/2 ton or a small SUV may be able to haul the weight, you still need to take into consideration what type of load. A 3000 lb load of bricks sure hauls alot different than three horses. Which is easier, carrying a 50 lb backpack or giving a piggyback ride to a squirmy 50 lb child?
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Location: sc | yes, yes youre "Disgusted and tired " of how i state my facts and im "Disgusted and tired " of how you state your opinion as fact. thats all well and good, but to those who "feel" being overtrucked is safer i would say prove it, but it cant be quantified. all im saying is, stop telling people hauling at the GCWR is dangerous.....not recommend, MAYBE. towing is dangerous period, it does not matter what youre towing with. any time the trailer approaches the weight of the tow vehicle you had damn well better know what youre doing. no amout of so called overtrucked saftey margin is going to make up for lack of skill/training/experiance for the novice, or experianced for that matter. ive got nothing against bigger trucks, a 1 ton is in my near future. but it is not because im looking for a "saftey margin", im just getting tired of vaccuming hay and feed out of the back of the suv. and thanks for the english lesson.
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Location: sc | Originally written by Reg on 2005-06-25 11:08 AM Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-24 7:45 PM land of the free, home of the easily offended Only those with liddul twux and mini suvs, the "under trucked" (-: now im not sure, but i think............thats just not nice. i may just sit here and cry in my beer.
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| Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-25 3:15 PM
Originally written by Reg on 2005-06-25 11:08 AM Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-24 7:45 PM land of the free, home of the easily offended Only those with liddul twux and mini suvs, the "under trucked" (-: now im not sure, but i think............thats just not nice. i may just sit here and cry in my beer.
You got BEER ? !
I can't afford it, spent all my descretionary income on indescretions - and hossies.
Next time I'm around SC...
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Location: Western WA | So why upgrade to a 1 ton? If you are currently pulling with a Trailblazer, why not just get an S-10 or Ranger? How are you justifying the bigger truck if the smaller tow vehicle is doing the job?
Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-25 1:10 PM
ive got nothing against bigger trucks, a 1 ton is in my near future. but it is not because im looking for a "saftey margin", im just getting tired of vaccuming hay and feed out of the back of the suv.
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Location: sc | Originally written by headhunter on 2005-06-25 7:41 PM So why upgrade to a 1 ton? If you are currently pulling with a Trailblazer, why not just get an S-10 or Ranger? How are you justifying the bigger truck if the smaller tow vehicle is doing the job? Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-25 1:10 PM ive got nothing against bigger trucks, a 1 ton is in my near future. but it is not because im looking for a "saftey margin", im just getting tired of vaccuming hay and feed out of the back of the suv. neither is rated to tow 6000#, but it would save alot of money. the ranger is close, could just tow a little over though hmm........wheres my calculator? good grief. reg, youll just have to get your priorities in line, beer needs to be in there somewhere. Edited by chadsalt 2005-06-25 7:04 PM
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Location: south of Cowtown, TEXAS | Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-25 8:48 PM Originally written by Dawnya on 2005-06-25 9:47 PM WHAT IS WRONG WITH YA'LL??? No hijacking threads!!! how long do you have? Well, then tell me what's NOT wrong with you.  
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Location: PA | Where is your proof that hauling at the GCWR is just as safe as being over trucked? Most of the trailering accidents I know of involved rigs that were at or over the limits. Also, with 27 years of HORSE hauling experience, towing with the large Jeep Wagoneers (2H BPs), 1500 & 2500 Suburbans (2 & 3H BPs), and 350's and now a 450 (29' & 37' LQ GN), I have learned that towing at or near the limit compromises the safety of the rig in emergency situations. Sometimes experience is more important than manufacturers ratings. It is much more responsible to answer the "truck ratings" questions with the fact that, while the manufacturers say that at truck is rated to a certain weight, it is better to be far enough under that rating to increase the safety of the rig in certain situations. |
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Location: sc | Originally written by Dawnya on 2005-06-25 11:24 PM Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-06-25 8:48 PM Originally written by Dawnya on 2005-06-25 9:47 PM WHAT IS WRONG WITH YA'LL??? No hijacking threads!!! how long do you have? Well, then tell me what's NOT wrong with you. now thats a much shorter list. |
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Location: sc | Originally written by hav2ride on 2005-06-26 10:01 AM
Where is your proof that hauling at the GCWR is just as safe as being over trucked? Most of the trailering accidents I know of involved rigs that were at or over the limits. Also, with 27 years of HORSE hauling experience, towing with the large Jeep Wagoneers (2H BPs), 1500 & 2500 Suburbans (2 & 3H BPs), and 350's and now a 450 (29' & 37' LQ GN), I have learned that towing at or near the limit compromises the safety of the rig in emergency situations. Sometimes experience is more important than manufacturers ratings. It is much more responsible to answer the "truck ratings" questions with the fact that, while the manufacturers say that at truck is rated to a certain weight, it is better to be far enough under that rating to increase the safety of the rig in certain situations. you may have noticed in my post i said it cant be quantified one way or the other. for every wreck you know of with the smaller rigs, im sure i could find a matching wreck with a larger rig. we all learn differently from those "emergency situations". i prefer to wonder why i didnt see that coming, not blame the fact i now have to change my pants on the rig. no one is telling you not to give your advice, just i dont agree with it. i really think youre just trying to pick a fight. looks like there is still one thing we agree on, you dont like my style and i dont like yours. |
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