Mice in Sundowner LQ Ceiling - HELP!!!!!
missrowdy
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2008-07-22 7:08 PM (#87950)
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I hope other LQ owners can help me.  A couple of months ago I went into my 2006 Sundowner LQ and smelt (first) then heard mice.  I looked up into the airconditioner and was nose to nose with a very vocal mouse.  I pulled the vent off and down came a nest of naked, squirming baby mice along with a considerable fallout of excrement.  One indignant mouse reached down and rescued a pink baby hung up on the ledge and pulled it back up into the ceiling and out of site.  Over the next week, I trapped (or they fell out) 10-14 mice, the last two which I am 95% positive were deer mice (as in the carriers of the deadly Hantavirus).  To make a long story short - my local dealer confirmed by checking under all the light sockets that indeed the infestation in the roof is severe, and that they likely entered the trailer through the walls as there is no apparant entry point where the mice "chewed" their way in.

Sundowner has refused to warranty this issue, providing a gamut of excuses.  The first was that "they couldn't possibly make a horse trailer mouse proof" - ouch - the best trailer with the best warranty can't build a trailer that prevents mice from entering the walls/ceiling?????  They then said I should not have parked it near the barn. Huh?  And you use a horse trailer for what exactly?  After I provided them with a day-by-day account of where the trailer was parked for the last 10 months (home, cutting horse competitions from Northern Canada to Amarillo, Texas), they then came back and said it was an act of god / nature which was not their fault.

I belieive one of two things happened.  They either did not properly seal the walls/ceiling when they built it or the construction materials had nest(s) in them and they sealed up the walls around them and nature took its course and a family ensued.

In any case - RV dealers won't touch it because it is on warranty - and I void any remaining warranty if I do any modifications.  So basically I am just plain out of luck until the warranty runs out in another 8 months.  In the meantime, I have a trailer that I can't safely use the LQ in, and Sundowner has basically told me too bad, so sad.

Has anyone else had trouble with mice entering the ceiling or walls of the their trailer?????  I am very interested to know how often this occurs!  Where did they get in - what did you do - did your manufacturer cover warranty?    This situation has caused a tremendous amount of stress for me and I would really appreciate feedback from other trailer users who may have had a similar experience and have advise for me.

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HWBar
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Posted 2008-07-22 7:17 PM (#87953 - in reply to #87950)
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Just to show that I'm more than fair..............., there is no way this one can be blamed on Sundowner.

Tell us that you are joking when you thought this would be covered by warranty.

Hell, I had a mouse chew the cork off a bottle of Patron in my LQ, now that's something to be pissed about.

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missrowdy
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Posted 2008-07-22 7:34 PM (#87955 - in reply to #87950)
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Thanks for the reply.  Was the Patron in the walls or in the ceiling?
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Tx. Vaquero
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Posted 2008-07-22 7:43 PM (#87957 - in reply to #87950)
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I would suggest pulling some DNA on the mice to determine parentage, as they could be the offspring of a certain Sundowner dealer and came with the trailer, in which case they should be covered under the warranty. If they are not indigenous mice, they could have moved in and probably would not be covered. Have you parked near any team ropers anywhere along the line? They generally have mice they are trying to get rid of and could be the source.
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Posted 2008-07-22 8:20 PM (#87964 - in reply to #87950)
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Damn Tx., I didn't think of that one............ if the mice in question have an orange oval tatooed on their ace then they probley are some of three year olds children. That would be cause for a warranty claim, call Don down at Dixie he will warranty anything.
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Posted 2008-07-22 8:20 PM (#87965 - in reply to #87950)
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If you keep your LQ plugged in, they can walk up the cord into your Holiday Inn on Wheels. Another entry point is your gas line and fridge or hot water tank vents. I always keep sticky traps in the closets, behind the cabinets and hot water tank area.

We had one last year while camping in Branson. I had seen droppings earlier and completely sanitized the trailer. Nothing was caught for over two weeks and thought the vermin was gone. Well when we got to our Branson campground and gone to bed, I heard scurring under my counter. Then I raised the stove lid and saw the little mouse. I reached for the raid and blinded him and my husband stabbed him with a pocket knife. End of Mr. Mousy.

No LQ trailer can be completely mouse proof - just like your home. Get more cats and lots of traps. I also keep one of those rat bait black boxes near my trailer too. So far no more mice!

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missrowdy
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Posted 2008-07-22 8:35 PM (#87968 - in reply to #87950)
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Thanks PonyTammy for the useful information.  I have owned 3 LQ and a series of RV's and certaintly am not opposed to a mouse turd or two on the floor or in a cabinet.  You can trap them and with a little elbow grease, sanitize and move on.

My concern with this situation is that they are in an area (ceiling/walls) that can't be cleaned or sanitized and one would think would be well enough constructed to keep them out.  At this point, the only solution ahead of me is completely gutting the trailer and starting over again.  Not what you want to do with a two year old trailer. 

 

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Posted 2008-07-22 8:41 PM (#87970 - in reply to #87950)
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Mice get in houses, does that mean my insurance company needs to buy me a new home?  I sympathize with the infestation, but mice just do that sort of thing.  I would set traps in the LQ, and not poison them, a dead smelly mouse in the cabinetry or ceiling would be unpleasant.  I have screens over the vents, more to keep out dirt daubers, but there is that little wee area around that shore cord.  hmmm  I will put a sticky trap in there, as the cat won't fit! 

As the poet Robbie Burns said of the wee sleek mouse, for whom he had a certain affection:

"Still thou are blessed compared with me,

The present only toucheth thee.

While I, cast my eye on prospects drear,

and forward, tho I canna see, I guess and fear."

Just a bit of humor for the situation!

 

 



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Tx. Vaquero
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Posted 2008-07-22 8:58 PM (#87972 - in reply to #87950)
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I guess really my question about lineage of the mice has more to do with a possible solution to the problem. If, in fact they are offspring of a certain Sundowner dealer, they are probably not very smart or tough and should be easy to trap and exterminate. If, on the other hand, you might have caught them from some team roper, they have probably been exposed to quite a lot and may be tough to deal with. Probably best to just leave them be and not pi$$ them off. All BS aside, I'll bet they are confined to the space between the roof and ceiling since the walls are generally insulated with foam and have very little open space. I've never seen a ceiling that could not be removed in sections large enough to allow you to do a decent clean up job. If you do have the hantavirus present, burn the trailer. By the way, I spent some time a few years ago in the Ft. St. John- Watson Lake area and came back with something a hell of a lot worse than mice. Good luck.
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Posted 2008-07-22 9:32 PM (#87976 - in reply to #87972)
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Despite the wise guy comments, we do sympathize with you and agree the mice would be a vexing problem.  My neighbors daughter had one appear on the seat next to her . . . while driving her Ford Bronco to Drake University one fall day.  I'm not sure she was EVER sure she got rid of it. 

I've checked my own homeowner and car warranty and a few trailer warranties and finding baby mice was not included in any of them. 

I'd call a pest exterminator, just like you would for your house - and let a professional handle it.

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Posted 2008-07-22 11:56 PM (#87985 - in reply to #87976)
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I often see snakes in and around the shed where we keep our LQ trailer.And my first thought isn't mice,but,a snake getting inside.Opening up a cabinet and Mr.Cottonmouth is there waiting for me to make a new door in my LQ or kill myself trying to get out.
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Posted 2008-07-23 1:46 AM (#87992 - in reply to #87985)
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Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2008-07-22 12:56 AM

I often see snakes in and around the shed where we keep our LQ trailer.And my first thought isn't mice,but,a snake getting inside.Opening up a cabinet and Mr.Cottonmouth is there waiting for me to make a new door in my LQ or kill myself trying to get out.

SNAKES IN A TRAILER...I smell a movie plot!!!...

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Posted 2008-07-23 7:17 AM (#88009 - in reply to #87950)
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One thing about it, if you have snakes you won't have mice!!!!!!!!

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Posted 2008-07-23 8:10 AM (#88019 - in reply to #87950)
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HWbar did the mouse get pretty drunk off of the Patron? OR did he pass out on the floor? Maybe the mouse decide that it was a good place to stay since you keep the good stuff.We keep alot of fabric softener sheets laid out in trailer. Keeps it smelling nice and we leave one laying in the bottom of sink if those little mice think of coming up the drain. We don't have gray tanks just runs out on the ground.

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Originally written by Z71 on 2008-07-23 7:17 AM

One thing about it, if you have snakes you won't have mice!!!!!!!!

Yes,this is probably one reason we've never seen any mice in the shed,or in the trailer.Rats as big as possums,but,no mice! There is a big rat snake that lives in and around the shed.He greeted me from under the door when I was sliding it back recently.
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Posted 2008-07-23 7:33 PM (#88122 - in reply to #87950)
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As a member of the civic organization "Mice are living beings too,"  I must remind you how blessed you are to have provided a place for this wonderful family to thrive.  I must object to getting a snake or calling pest control as this would equate to murder of the babies and possibly some unborn mice.  Just think, how would you feel if you and your family were exterminated? If the floor was ripped out from under you and you could only grab one of your children to take to safety while the others perished? 

God put these little creatures on the planet for a reason, and you should consider yourself lucky that you are one of the fortunate ones to have such a large family in your LQ.  Embrace them, make a safe haven for them, and take pictures of your new travel buddies.

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Posted 2008-07-23 8:12 PM (#88126 - in reply to #88122)
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Originally written by Amy6768 on 2008-07-23 8:33 PM

As a member of the civic organization "Mice are living beings too,"  I must remind you how blessed you are to have provided a place for this wonderful family to thrive.  I must object to getting a snake or calling pest control as this would equate to murder of the babies and possibly some unborn mice.  Just think, how would you feel if you and your family were exterminated? If the floor was ripped out from under you and you could only grab one of your children to take to safety while the others perished? 

God put these little creatures on the planet for a reason, and you should consider yourself lucky that you are one of the fortunate ones to have such a large family in your LQ.  Embrace them, make a safe haven for them, and take pictures of your new travel buddies.

 

 

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Posted 2008-07-23 8:54 PM (#88130 - in reply to #88122)
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Originally written by Amy6768 on 2008-07-23 7:33 PM

As a member of the civic organization "Mice are living beings too,"  I must remind you how blessed you are to have provided a place for this wonderful family to thrive.  I must object to getting a snake or calling pest control as this would equate to murder of the babies and possibly some unborn mice.  Just think, how would you feel if you and your family were exterminated? If the floor was ripped out from under you and you could only grab one of your children to take to safety while the others perished? 

God put these little creatures on the planet for a reason, and you should consider yourself lucky that you are one of the fortunate ones to have such a large family in your LQ.  Embrace them, make a safe haven for them, and take pictures of your new travel buddies.

GOOD GRAVY!

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Posted 2008-07-23 9:16 PM (#88132 - in reply to #87950)
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Are you kidding me?????
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Posted 2008-07-23 9:26 PM (#88134 - in reply to #88130)
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Yes, God did put these little critters here for a purpose----- cat food!
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Posted 2008-07-23 10:37 PM (#88151 - in reply to #88122)
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Originally written by Amy6768 on 2008-07-23 8:33 PM

As a member of the civic organization "Mice are living beings too,"  I must remind you how blessed you are to have provided a place for this wonderful family to thrive.  I must object to getting a snake or calling pest control as this would equate to murder of the babies and possibly some unborn mice.  Just think, how would you feel if you and your family were exterminated? If the floor was ripped out from under you and you could only grab one of your children to take to safety while the others perished? 

God put these little creatures on the planet for a reason, and you should consider yourself lucky that you are one of the fortunate ones to have such a large family in your LQ.  Embrace them, make a safe haven for them, and take pictures of your new travel buddies.

http://rattie-love.com/...

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Posted 2008-07-24 5:05 AM (#88160 - in reply to #87950)
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Amy6768, can you say, "trolling, trolling, trolling........."
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Amy-your warmth and sensitivity have inspired me and I couldn't agree with you more. I belong to a similar organization down here called PORS, "Protect Our Rattle Snakes". I would really like to meet you and we could commune in the bliss of nature while our little creatures got together and froliced in the peaceful harmony God intended for us all. Could you send me a picture of yourself for my trailer?
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Posted 2008-07-24 12:29 PM (#88178 - in reply to #87950)
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Tx, you are Baaaaaaaad.:) :) :)However..... making me think about sealing up the open tops of those 1x2 frame tubes in the walls of my "gettin' there'" overnighter quarters in the ol' Trail-Et BEFORE I put in the insulation and seal the ceiling off! Ya think maybe some brass wool and then that expanding foam stuff would do it?? That's the only openings to the outside I have found in the whole nose (was tack room) of the trailer - and it's open from top to bottom, so would make for an easy entry port - especially when the grass gets up a bit during the off season when it's parked. Hmmm.... then there's the yellow jacket WASP factor - I gotta stop at the hardware store on the way home tonight!
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Posted 2008-07-24 2:09 PM (#88187 - in reply to #87950)
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You need to get those rats out of your ceiling anyway you can. They will chew up your wiring if they haven't already. This could be the end of your LQ as you know it. Major job to get into the ceiling and walls to replace wiring.. It can also cause a fire. You said your trailer is parked by your barn, well it can also burn down your barn if it burns. 12v wiring will burn just as easy as 110v. If they are in your AC as well you need to have it checked out for shortages before you use it again. It is funny to some folks and even I chuckled a bit but it really is not funny. Rats are very destructive and you need them out of your trailer, NOW! If you end up using poison on them you will have to ventilate your trailer for some time to be able to stay in it, but the odor of the feces and urine is also very bad for you to breath. If you don't want to poison them get a King snake and they will disappear. Call an exterminator.

 But please have your trailer tested for shortages.

All creatures have their place in this world, but not in your trailer or home... I say exterminate!

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Posted 2008-07-25 8:51 AM (#88246 - in reply to #87950)
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a friend of my uses a sound machine to keep mice and rats out of her house she did not what to kill them ,just keep them out of her  house this may work for trailers also the dryer fabric does not work I tired them and the mice use them for bedding. I know the works the mice and rats  are  gone. the cat is blind
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Posted 2008-07-29 7:42 PM (#88537 - in reply to #87950)
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Thanks for all the people who have posted suggestions and genuine concerns about my mouse dilemna.  A bit of an update.

Saturday I hauled the trailer 1,800 km (1,100 miles) to a RV refurbishing place - the only one I could find that would take it on.  They pulled the roof off yesterday and found an unbelievable mess of dead mice, nests, grain, and a very disgusting mess of insulation and wiring.  They are pulling the insulation, sanitizing the roof and air conditioning, inspecting wiring and then will re-insulate, determine the access point and possibly have to tear into the wall in question.  They will then have to replace and seal the roof.

Pretty disappointing for a 2 year old trailer that is supposed to be so well constructed and supposedly had a good warranty.  Sundowner has labeled this "an act of nature / god" (after they told me I shouldn't park it near a barn).  I guess the courts will decide if it an act of nature / god or a predictable outcome for defective construction practices. 

 

 

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Posted 2008-07-29 8:19 PM (#88543 - in reply to #88537)
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Originally written by missrowdy on 2008-07-29 7:42 PM

Thanks for all the people who have posted suggestions and genuine concerns about my mouse dilemna.  A bit of an update.

Saturday I hauled the trailer 1,800 km (1,100 miles) to a RV refurbishing place - the only one I could find that would take it on.  They pulled the roof off yesterday and found an unbelievable mess of dead mice, nests, grain, and a very disgusting mess of insulation and wiring.  They are pulling the insulation, sanitizing the roof and air conditioning, inspecting wiring and then will re-insulate, determine the access point and possibly have to tear into the wall in question.  They will then have to replace and seal the roof.

Pretty disappointing for a 2 year old trailer that is supposed to be so well constructed and supposedly had a good warranty.  Sundowner has labeled this "an act of nature / god" (after they told me I shouldn't park it near a barn).  I guess the courts will decide if it an act of nature / god or a predictable outcome for defective construction practices. 

 

 

 

I'm curious.  Is the RV place  you are having the extermination held . . doing it for free?  This was an interesting topic and I did a little googling and found that one of the top five reasons for RV insurance claims was . . . you guessed it . . . pest infestation, particularly mice. 

With a little research I found that it's nearly impossible to find a mouse proof environment, particularly horse trailers on farms.  Here's a picture of a sealed computer that was having trouble with  . . . guess what?  Those ARE mouse droppings.

 Any openings in your trailer or LQ that are wider than 6mm (a quarter of an inch or less than a width of common pencil) and you're in trouble: through a combination of squeezing and nibbling, the mice could well be moving in. 

 Here's more help:  http://www.icanrv.com/id42.htm

 

 

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Posted 2008-07-30 5:26 AM (#88568 - in reply to #87950)
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Unless cash is growing on trees around your place, I wouldn't spend a penny on lawyer fees. In your statement above you make two very important points. You park your trailer next to your barn, and the ceiling had grain in it. All the Sundowner boys have to do to win this case is prove that the grain from your barn, not their factory. You lose, they and the lawyer wins. That all being said their are lawyers across the country that will take your case all the way to the Supreme Court as long as you keep paying. I can refer to you to a couple that I rope with,.......... they need the cash for entry fees.

Talk a bout some top shelf individuals,........ team roping lawyers.



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ASJ
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Posted 2008-07-30 7:40 AM (#88572 - in reply to #87950)
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Have you thought of contacting the insurance company? That is what they are there for... If they will pay for water damage they should pay for your rat damage.
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Posted 2008-07-30 10:59 AM (#88598 - in reply to #87950)
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Amen ASJ. This is in no way warranty, and frankly I'm proud of Sundowner for standing up to you. Now- insurance. That's exactly why you have it. Call them!
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Posted 2008-07-30 1:50 PM (#88614 - in reply to #87950)
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Good luck in court on this one.  Who do you sue if mice get in your house? 
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Posted 2008-07-30 2:19 PM (#88618 - in reply to #88614)
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Originally written by N2ridin on 2008-07-30 1:50 AM

Good luck in court on this one.  Who do you sue if mice get in your house? 

 

I need the answer to that one.  Someone owes me a new Xbox power cord!!!

 

 

Mice have been found in car/trucks too.  I guess we should sue all the auto manufactures as well.



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Posted 2008-07-30 2:59 PM (#88621 - in reply to #87950)
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Sue the mice for trespassing and vandalism. Probably theft too, it was your grain they stole! The way the courts work now, that one you could probably win.
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