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Location: Fort Worth, Tx | On tonight's news, a story about someone stealing gas from a vehicle in a public parking lot...five minutes on the part of the thief and the owner of the car $50 poorer. Those with bigger tanks would be out a lot more! We recently went by Pep Boys and bought locking gas caps for about $15 apiece. Would probably be a worthwhile investment for most people! | |
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Location: Northern Utah | The theives around here got tired of everybody using the locking gas caps. The TV stations have reported some stories of gas theives drilling holes in the bottom of the tanks and draining them into buckets. Once they get what they want they let the rest just drain on the ground. So you are not only out the $150 in diesel fuel but you have to replace your tank and clean up the soil contamination. | |
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Location: NY | I remember this happen when there was a gas shortage about 10 yrs ago . Some guy drank the gas as he was sucking it out of the tank and ended up in the hospital | |
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Location: Vermont | Gas Thieves Drilling Into Fuel Tanks
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Posted: 2008-05-29 15:40:40
DETROIT (May 29) - Dale Fortin is getting a new kind of customer at his Detroit auto repair shop, customers who have not just been in a fender-bender or had a windshield smashed by a rock.
As gas prices continue to set daily records, police departments and repair shops around the country say gasoline thieves have moved past the quaint crime of siphoning fuel and are brazenly cutting fuel lines and even drilling into vehicles' gas tanks.
Mechanics say pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles are particularly vulnerable, as gas thieves target the larger autos because of their height off the ground. Models known to have plastic gas tanks are also targeted, since thieves run less of a risk of sparking an explosion, and the tanks are easier to drill into.
Long-time mechanics and veteran law enforcement officers say they saw the same crime break out in the early 1970s, when Middle East oil exporters withheld shipments to the United States and the Netherlands. Oil prices quickly quadrupled, driving up gas prices.
The soaring price of crude oil has turned gas tanks into a cache of valuable booty, and Fortin has replaced several tanks punctured or drilled by thieves thirsting for the nearly $4-a-gallon fuel inside.
"That's the new fad," he said. "I'd never seen it before gas got up this high."
While gas station drive-offs and siphoning are far more common methods of stealing gas, reports of tank and line puncturing are starting to trickle into police departments and repair shops across the country.
Some veteran mechanics and law enforcement officers say it's an unwelcome return of a crime they first saw during the Middle East oil embargo of the early 1970s.
Gasoline prices surged just before the long Memorial Day holiday weekend and crept a hair higher overnight Monday to a new record national average $3.937 for a gallon of regular, according to a survey of stations by AAA and the Oil Price Information Service.
Given their height, Fortin said pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles are more vulnerable to the thieves who puncture the tanks and use a container to catch the fuel.
Plastic tanks are typically the target, he said, since there is less chance of a catastrophic spark, and they are easier to drill into.
A design change may also be contributing to the preference for a drill rather than a syphoning hose. The tanks in many vehicles now have check balls, which prevent spills in a rollover accident. They also make siphoning more difficult.
In recent weeks, police in Denver arrested two suspects in connection with about a dozen cases of damaging tanks and stealing gas.
Denver Police Det. John White sees this "new way of siphoning gas" as a bigger problem.
"What made this particular method so dangerous and concerning for us was the way in which they were doing it - using cordless drills to puncture holes in these tanks," he said of the rash of cases his department has investigated this spring. "The heat, friction generated could have easily sparked a fire. It just made for a dangerous situation for the suspects and the community."
Tank puncturing has yet to reach the radar screens of law enforcement organizations such as the National Sheriffs' Association, or the Automotive Service Association, a group that represents independent garage operators.
Still, at least one insurance company has taken notice: AAA Mid-Atlantic issued a press release earlier this month that cited a case in April in Bethesda, Md., involving a thief who broke the fuel line underneath a car and sapped five gallons of gas. Montgomery County police said a bus in the same parking lot had 30 gallons of diesel stolen.
"These are crimes of opportunity," said AAA spokeswoman Catherine Rossi. "Right now, some people think that stealing gas is a way to get rich quick. It becomes a question of whether you're leaving yourself open to the possibility that someone can get to your car without being seen."
The cost of replacing a metal tank on passenger vehicles is between $300 and $400, and the plastic tank common on newer vehicles would be at least $500.
Bruce Burnham said thieves have hit the Budget Truck Rental business he owns in Shreveport, La., about a half-dozen times in the past three years. The thefts started shortly after Hurricane Katrina when prices spiked, then stopped for a while, then restarted about a year ago.
In some cases the gas lines have been cut; in others, gas has been pumped out. He figures he's lost at least a few thousand dollars in stolen fuel, repair costs and loss of rental fees.
Burnham said he has taken "extra measures to protect the vehicles," but declined to elaborate.
Gas and diesel aren't the only fuels being plundered. Restaurants from Berkeley, Calif., to Sedgwick, Kan., are reporting thefts of old cooking oil worth thousands of dollars. Cooking oil rustlers refine it into barrels of biofuel in backyard stills. Biodiesel can also be blended with petroleum diesel, and blends of the alternative fuel are now sold at 1,400 gas stations across the country.
Still, the theft of regular unleaded gasoline - the kind that leaves everyday drivers high and dry - is on the minds of more law enforcement agencies as prices rise.
Troy Police Lt. Gerry Scherlinck said his suburban Detroit department this month received a report of a stored motor home whose tank was siphoned and drained of 50 gallons of gas. They also had several incidents last year in industrial parks where the gas tanks of vehicles were punctured.
"Gas is liquid gold these days, and has been for the last year-and-a-half," Scherlinck said. "I would anticipate seeing more of these kinds of incidents as the price continues to go up." | |
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Location: Small Town, Texas | I figured this would happen soon. I guess a locking cap might atleast make the job take a little longer. We are having trailers and livestock and lots of tack stolen down here also. I am sure it is only going to get worse. Nothing worse than a theif but the poor people make minimum wage can not even pay for their gas.... | |
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Location: Fort Jones, Ca. | We went throgh this scenario 2 years ago her in Northern Ca., in the Klamath and Trinity National Forest trailhead areas. Our Back Country Horseman chapter would go up to scout a trail for future work (clearing, improvements, etc) and come back and find that the fuel had ben siphoned out (plus windows broke and stuff gone from the cab). In some casees, fuel lines were cut. The local sheriff's dept. and National Forest cops kept looking but could not catch them. These guys would come to a trailhead and leave with 50 - 150 gallons of fuel, so it was well organized. Finally ended up hiring a guy to keep watch (with a rifle) overlooking the trailhead / vehicles. Never had any more problems. The sheriff's dept. did finally catch some guys in a flatbed truck, with numerous 55 gall barrels, siphoning gear on a back road heading back to Oregon. After that, the problem sort of went away. Now with fuel cost, it is probably going to come back round. Wonder if we can still rent that fellow with the rifle??? | |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | I've found something black and red that really looks good on thieves - a Doberman! | |
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Location: Small Town, Texas | Opps sorry about the double post. It has done that a few times lately... I know I just gave up a LGD beause she was kinda mean now I wish I would have kept her. Another trailer was taken just a few days ago, they just cut the fence and got it and it was an old gooseneck stock. I guess they need something for the stolen livestock to ride in.... | |
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Location: MI. | Can you shoot someone for doing that? 
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Location: western PA | You have a right to protect your property, and if you are in fear of your life, you can take whatever measures are needed to protect it. Gard | |
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Location: Mt. Clemens, MI 48043 | I don't like to be mean but sometimes you just got to do what you got to do. Like my friend said "I can always put them in a field, put some lime on them with manure nobody would ever notice" but the grass would grow great. I guess I have to get a meaner, bigger dog. My buddy is older and just barely get around - can't catch them like he use to. | |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by Gone on 2008-06-12 8:55 AM Can you shoot someone for doing that? No... | |
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Location: Mt. Clemens, MI 48043 | Can I just get a Paint gun and just hurt them a little (while my dog has some fun too)? | |
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Location: MI. | Now there's a thought!...........Ya' know, it's pretty bad when you have to worry about the law coming down on you for protecting your own property. What's wrong with that picture? 
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Location: North Carolina | Originally written by Gone on 2008-06-12 6:55 AM Can you shoot someone for doing that? Yes ... If you're in Texas...
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Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and (3) he reasonably believes that: (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. | |
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Location: Alvordton Ohio | Longrider you have the right idea. We park are vehics all together and let our Rots and dobs loose . | |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by hosspuller on 2008-06-14 5:38 PM Originally written by Gone on 2008-06-12 6:55 AM Can you shoot someone for doing that? Yes ... If you're in Texas...
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Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and (3) he reasonably believes that: (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. A very interesting story on your Section 9.42... http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/012008dnmetfightingback.6a8cbd.html | |
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Location: South of Dallas | Crime is just really getting out of hand here in the DFW area. Well, I'm sure the rest of you are having troubles too, but I can't remember when things were so bad here. We have folks getting shot for their vehicles just because someone "was tired of walking". A little old lady was beaten near to death yesterday for her car after her home was invaded. You can't have anything on your property if it isn't bolted, chained, welded down and even then it's a crap shoot cuz they'll try to come get it anyway. I'm beginning to think that the NRA has the right idea. If there was more fear on the part of the thugs that the average Joe could be packing heat... um they might think twice about robbing or attacking them. Hate that it comes to that but the crime is done by the time the cops can get to you. Oh, yeah, and some stupid group going up and down neighborhoods setting vehicles on fire. Can't say as I wouldn't want to bust a cap if someone was torching my ride. Ok, I wouldn't shoot to kill but I'd want them to be limping heavily..... | |
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Location: NY | use a shot gun- you do not need to aim and you do not need a licence you wont kill them but it will hurt real bad | |
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| I'm not going to try to kill anybody for trying to take my property and later go to the pen because they might live to say "We just came on the yard to ask for help with a flat tire" or "we were lost" ect ect.I don't want to have the remorse for shooting somebody over taking my lawn mower,or trailer,ect.either.I do remove the key and have a lock on my trailer by the way. If someone was actually breaking down the door,and I informed them rather loudly that I have a gun and will use it,and they persist,then I'll do what I have to do to live.Because if they're that crazy,they're going to kill YOU when they accomplish breaking in! However,I don't see what it would hurt to open up a window and fire off a round from a shotgun in the air if I did see someone trying to take an item from my property,and that's exactly what I plan on doing.
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Location: Southern New Mexico | However,I don't see what it would hurt to open up a window and fire off a round from a shotgun in the air if I did see someone trying to take an item from my property,and that's exactly what I plan on doing.
It could hurt whoever is standing under that buckshot when it comes down. There have been cases of people killed by bullets falling back to the ground after being shot in the air. | |
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Location: Vanzant, Missouri | We caught 3 punk hoodlums in our yard at night.They had been stealing gas out of the tractor.They were to dumb to turn off thier flash light.As they were strolling across the back yard BF spotted them with his big mag lite and he had his pump shot gun when they heard him pump it once then he fired a round of bird shot over thier heads and said the next one is for you. We haven't had a problem since.Of course when they hauled azz they jumped into a big briar patch...We know who it was but even the boys mother lied about him. Said he was at a friends house... We did call the police and the guy told us that we couldn't do that and I told him what ever happened to protecting your property. He then basically told use next time put rock salt in the shells and have fun...But darn they haven't been back since...I like the idea of the paint ball gun too that hurts!!! Now in Md if thier inside your home you have the right to blow them away.So everyone around here says drag them in house first...lol | |
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Location: Mt. Clemens, MI 48043 | I have not had any trouble but you never know. When the kids were younger I would send in the dog(s), then if they came back, I would go in, then the kids. Hubby worked 2 jobs. Went to Paintballs since it would ID the theifs, it would not kill them (target practice for me), and the final thing is police around here do not want you to have a gun (they get nervous). They did say - drag them in your house. If the barn is part of your property why would I have to drag them to the house? Never thought about rock salt. Glad you are safe and they did not take anything else or hurt anything else. | |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. Just because it isn't lethal doesn't mean it's not a danger. I had an old appy mare that lost an eye to that "less than lethal impact". The neighbours were shooting at birds over our pasture towards our house/barn. You could hear the pellets hitting our roof. I was putting the horses in the barn when the mare was hit. I was standing next to her head putting on her halter when it hit her.
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by Terri on 2008-06-20 3:00 PM In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. Just because it isn't lethal doesn't mean it's not a danger. I had an old appy mare that lost an eye to that "less than lethal impact". The neighbours were shooting at birds over our pasture towards our house/barn. You could hear the pellets hitting our roof. I was putting the horses in the barn when the mare was hit. I was standing next to her head putting on her halter when it hit her. Never said it wasn't... | |
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| Originally written by Terri on 2008-06-19 12:59 AM However,I don't see what it would hurt to open up a window and fire off a round from a shotgun in the air if I did see someone trying to take an item from my property,and that's exactly what I plan on doing.
It could hurt whoever is standing under that buckshot when it comes down. There have been cases of people killed by bullets falling back to the ground after being shot in the air.
I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. We do what we have to around here to protect our property. It happens plenty here,and I haven't heard of anybody being killed yet,maybe hurting themselves pretty bad trying to get the hell out of there.
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Well let's all get "scientific" about shooting off a gun. We're born shooting guns here in Arkansas.When I said I 'didn't see what it would hurt' I didn't mean whoever is standing outside trying to steal something.Believe you me,I've fired a gun in the air before,yes,straight up in the air. Law enforcement here has a lot more on their hands than trying to arrest folks for illegally firing a gun up in the air.There sure is a hell of a lot of it that goes on,and I've never seen an officer arrest anybody for doing it.I've even called and complained about shooting going on in the cemetary and nearby,and no one has ever shown up to "arrest" anyone.It's not against the law to fire guns here.You should be here during hunting season,guns go off 24/7,in the air,straight up,straight down,hell who knows where and what and who is shooting at whatever? I don't even see a game/fish officer here,much less some county mounty looking to make an arrest. That might be against the law but they haven't heard of that law around here yet!If you don't think a shotgun is advisable,hell,I'll just get my 38 and do it! What's the deal here? Everyone else can talk about doing it,but when I say something about it,it's jump my case time? This forum is starting to sound like YouTube.
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Location: western PA | Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2008-06-20 12:15 AM What's the deal here? Everyone else can talk about doing it,but when I say something about it,it's jump my case time? This forum is starting to sound like YouTube. Some people talk the talk but don't walk the walk. How many times have you heard some people say that they were going to do something, and never have? You may be one of the few people who have actually fired a gun in the air. We have been very fortunate in our area with a lack of thievery and vandalism. I don't own a shot gun. But I have several target and varmint rifles and a few pistols. Right, wrong or indifferent, if someone messes with my belongings in my presence, he may be able to leave, but his visit will be regrettable. Gard
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Location: Southern New Mexico | What's the deal here? Everyone else can talk about doing it,but when I say something about it,it's jump my case time? This forum is starting to sound like YouTube. Who's jumping your case? I simply said that it can be a danger, I (Not a friend of a friend or a neighbour, I had this mare for 18yrs) had a mare lose an eye because of someone elses carelessness. As I was standing next to her when it happened it could have very easily been MY eye that was ruined. And yes I think that shooting in the air is careless because you have no idea of where that shot is comming down at. Maybe the cops in your area don't care, maybe they are to busy, but when you or yours get hurt you will care. And every state I have lived in has a law about shooting towards houses or with in so many feet of a housing area. | |
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Well let's all get "scientific" about shooting off a gun. We're born shooting guns here in Arkansas.When I said I 'didn't see what it would hurt' I didn't mean whoever is standing outside trying to steal something.Believe you me,I've fired a gun in the air before,yes,straight up in the air. Law enforcement here has a lot more on their hands than trying to arrest folks for illegally firing a gun up in the air.There sure is a hell of a lot of it that goes on,and I've never seen an officer arrest anybody for doing it.I've even called and complained about shooting going on in the cemetary and nearby,and no one has ever shown up to "arrest" anyone.It's not against the law to fire guns here.You should be here during hunting season,guns go off 24/7,in the air,straight up,straight down,hell who knows where and what and who is shooting at whatever? I don't even see a game/fish officer here,much less some county mounty looking to make an arrest. That might be against the law but they haven't heard of that law around here yet!If you don't think a shotgun is advisable,hell,I'll just get my 38 and do it! What's the deal here? Everyone else can talk about doing it,but when I say something about it,it's jump my case time? This forum is starting to sound like YouTube. The data I quoted was from the Mythbusters... I also have no input as to whether YOUR local police will or will not enforce laws that may or may not be in your state...They said "Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in MOST U.S. states, and even in the states where it is legal, it is NOT RECOMMENDED by the police."...No more, no less... What you do in the privacy of your state is your concern... | |
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| Originally written by Terri on 2008-06-21 1:39 PM What's the deal here? Everyone else can talk about doing it,but when I say something about it,it's jump my case time? This forum is starting to sound like YouTube. Who's jumping your case? I simply said that it can be a danger, I (Not a friend of a friend or a neighbour, I had this mare for 18yrs) had a mare lose an eye because of someone elses carelessness. As I was standing next to her when it happened it could have very easily been MY eye that was ruined. And yes I think that shooting in the air is careless because you have no idea of where that shot is comming down at. Maybe the cops in your area don't care, maybe they are to busy, but when you or yours get hurt you will care. And every state I have lived in has a law about shooting towards houses or with in so many feet of a housing area. Here it is within 200 ft.Not much. If they are trying to steal something out of my yard that I've worked hard to pay for,I don't much give a crap where "that shot" is coming down at,to be honest with ya."Me and mine" won't be standing out in the yard when it happens. We don't fire guns off indiscriminately but lots of others do,and it does no good to call anybody about it.
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Location: Southern New Mexico | I think you are just being to touchy. Just becuase I quoted a line from your post doesn't mean I was speaking specifically to you. Several others were talking about shooting and I was trying to remind them of possible outcomes. I'll just ignore your posts for now on so you won't continue to think that I am picking on you. Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2008-06-21 10:14 AM Originally written by Terri on 2008-06-21 1:39 PM What's the deal here? Everyone else can talk about doing it,but when I say something about it,it's jump my case time? This forum is starting to sound like YouTube. Who's jumping your case? I simply said that it can be a danger, I (Not a friend of a friend or a neighbour, I had this mare for 18yrs) had a mare lose an eye because of someone elses carelessness. As I was standing next to her when it happened it could have very easily been MY eye that was ruined. And yes I think that shooting in the air is careless because you have no idea of where that shot is comming down at. Maybe the cops in your area don't care, maybe they are to busy, but when you or yours get hurt you will care. And every state I have lived in has a law about shooting towards houses or with in so many feet of a housing area. First of all,you are.Plenty of others were talking about this same thing.I went so far as to say I wasn't about to kill someone for taking something in my yard,only if they were breaking down the door.As usual,mine were the only quotes that you posted and replied and took issue with.Now to the law about shooting towards houses or within so many feet of them: Here it is within 200 ft.Not much. If they are trying to steal something out of my yard that I've worked hard to pay for,I don't much give a crap where "that shot" is coming down at,to be honest with ya."Me and mine" won't be standing out in the yard when it happens. We don't fire guns off indiscriminately but lots of others do,and it does no good to call anybody about it. | |
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| Ooookay,that sounds like a deal.And to be fair,here's a vid for you,too,Terri:The scenery looks like it was filmed in your neck of the woods,plus,the leather pants aren't so bad,either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upenR6n7xWY
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By BETSY BLANEY,AP
Posted: 2008-06-26 12:59:16
LORENZO, Texas (June 26) - With the price of diesel skyrocketing, farmers and ranchers around the country are being targeted by ne'er-do-wells armed with syphon hoses and pumps.
Thieves are taking aim at ranchers and farmers, syphoning gas and stealing tanks as diesel fuel prices soar. The cost of farm diesel is less than the diesel used by truckers and the general public, and thieves either sell it or use it themselves. Some diesel thieves sometimes even use pumps built into vans that roam wide-open fields at night. Sheldon Wilder, who owns a cotton gin 30 miles east of Memphis, Tenn., has endured worse already. Twice in two weeks, he had diesel drained from saddlebag tanks on a truck at his gin. The second time the thieves left the hoses loose and what diesel they didn't steal drained out onto the ground. "You get irritated, but that's life," he said of the combined 300 gallons taken in the thefts. "It's just people who want some money." Western Texas cotton producer Mark Schoepf said that with the price of diesel above $4.15 a gallon, he's decided to protect his investment. He recently bought 10 padlocks to affix to tanks that fuel the diesel motors irrigating his fields. Many of those tanks are visible from a highway bordering his fields, making them easy targets. "Before, we've never kept them locked," said Schoepf, who is able to store up to 5,000 gallons to fuel his farming operation east of Lubbock. "With diesel prices that high, somebody's going to try to get it." Schoepf isn't alone. As more motorists buy locking gas caps for their vehicles, farmers and ranchers are also having to take steps to protect their fuel. The cost of farm diesel is less than the diesel used by truckers and the general public, and thieves either sell it or use it themselves. Some diesel thieves sometimes even use pumps built into vans that roam wide-open fields at night. "If they're out there in the middle of the night, they're up to no good," said Steve Riley, who works at Crosby County Fuel Association. "It's going to get worse." Wilder said there is a quasi-black market for diesel that tempts some looking to save a buck or two. "You'd probably buy it because it'd be a good deal," he said. "A lot of people are hurting. Their purchasing power has been eaten up by the price of gas and food." Some farmers have had their entire tanks stolen and later found them elsewhere - empty. Diesel designated for non-highway purposes costs about 60 cents per gallon less and contains a red dye that distinguishes it from regular diesel fuel. Red-dye diesel can be used in agricultural equipment, such as tractors or combines, and on farms or ranches, which includes feedlots, dairy, poultry and timber operations, and commercial orchards and nurseries. A home garden does not qualify. The Internal Revenue Service does random, periodic checks for illegal use of the red-dyed diesel at weigh stations across the country, spokesman Clay Sanford said. He said he couldn't confirm or deny whether the agency has stepped up checks. The federal penalty for using the off-highway diesel on public roadways is the greater of $1,000 or $10 per gallon of the fuel involved. Penalties increase after the first violation. In Texas, enforcement is handled by the state comptroller's office, which also does random checks at weigh stations. If caught, violators face misdemeanor charges, comptroller spokesman Allen Spelce said. From Sept. 1 through May, the state collected about $41,000 in fines, he said. Regular diesel is also getting ripped off. In May, a small, rural school district near Waco was hit by a diesel thief who absconded with about 260 gallons, Hallsburg schools superintendent Kent Reynolds said. Last week, about 700 gallons of diesel fuel was stolen from trucks from two neighboring business in Royalton, Minn. And on Monday, a man was arrested and accused of pumping diesel out of a Salem, Ore., gas station and into a truck and trailer capable holding 1,000 gallons. | |
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| With last year's fuel bill on the farm at $38,647 (this was in 07) would it be permissable to fire off a gun in the air if we happen to catch them trying to steal it? Might not be permissable,but,I believe it would be UNDERSTANDABLE. | |
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