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Location: Northwest Ohio | Need an argument between hubby and me resolved. He seems to think that backing up a truck for more than the typical reverse out of the drive or parking spot is a problem. The barn water comes straight out of the pond so we have to pull the 3H with 12' sw and midtack LQ trailer to the house for filling fresh water tank in LQ. However, there's no place to turn around then so I make him back the 150-200 feet back to the barn, at idle speed, of course. He can do it without a problem, but he seems to have it in his head that it's bad on the engine, etc. Hubby claims that if you back a gas engine more than short distance, the points will get hot so he's worried about his new truck, even though it's diesel. We have a dually 2007 GMC Duramax diesel with Allison tranny with 10,000 miles on it. My brother-in-law is a semi driver and he has never heard of such concern. He said the engine has no idea what gear or direction you're going. Your thoughts?? |
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Location: North Carolina | Your dear hubby is getting a crick in his neck when backing the rig. It's affecting his brain processes. Here're several facts: The truck engine does not turn in reverse when backing. The transmission uses another gear set to reverse the drive train. The diesel doesn't have "points", neither does most on road gas engines built in this Century. I say ... Back away ... Just don't hit anything, but that's not an engine problem. |
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Location: Northwest Ohio | Woo Hoo! Score one for me! Thanks Hoss! I don't know anything about engines but it just wasn't logical to me. I told him truckers are backing rigs all the time. That's funny, about the no points in anything built in this century. We're in our mid-40s. I know that's what he said, but I have no idea where he got the idea. Once again, this forum is a wealth of knowledge. |
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| Originally written by Candy girl on 2008-05-19 11:34 AM
. We have a dually 2007 GMC Duramax diesel with Allison tranny with 10,000 miles on it. My brother-in-law is a semi driver and he has never heard of such concern. He said the engine has no idea what gear or direction you're going. Your thoughts?? I bet your brother in law had to pick himself up out of the floor from a laughing fit. Sorry,don't mean to laugh,but,if that was the case we'd have blown up our same truck/engine a LONG time ago with all the backing WE have to do in order to turn our 3H 12'SW LQ around in our driveway and back it up in the yard!!! This is with the same truck,8' bed. I'd say,the only thing that is getting wear and tear is: his neck,and YOUR nerves!And maybe,his! |
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Location: western PA | Hubby will have to eat some humble pie. As Hosspuller stated, your diesel only runs in one rotational direction and has no ignition system. The transmission directs the direction the truck will travel, depending on which the driver selects. It is no more damaging to a transmission to use reverse as it is in forward. Before you show your husband these results of your posting, make a bet with him for something you really want. You just won a freebie. Gard |
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Location: michigan | Gard- the ultimate con, she should express some doubts at first, say he maybe very well be right, in fact, he probably is! then ,of course, suggest we make sure. Its like fixing a horse race.............your gonna win babe so bet big! |
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Location: western PA | See why women always win? Farmebabe had it all figured out before I even started on an idea. Guys just don't have a chance |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Here a fact regard the Ford 4R100 and the E4OD. They don't have much fluid flow through the trans cooler when in reverse.....so it's quite possible to overheat either unit in a short amount of reverse jockeying. Many of the people who bigger 5'ers go for low range, in their 4x4's, when backing into campsites or uphill up driveways.Is the Allison, or the 5R110 that way? Can't say. |
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | That was funny,,,,,,Tell him to go fish the next time he gives you that answer. Us men just don't want to do what you want somtimes so we come up with some real whing dingers. My wife laughs everytime cause she knows I am pulling her leg...LOL |
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Location: western PA | Originally written by wyndancer on 2008-05-19 8:39 PM
Here a fact regard the Ford 4R100 and the E4OD. They don't have much fluid flow through the trans cooler when in reverse.....so it's quite possible to overheat either unit in a short amount of reverse jockeying.. Last fall during a rain storm at a mud hole of a show grounds, I had to pull out my buddie's rig, that was buried up to the pumpkin. He has a three horse goose on a Ford dually with a single axle drive. I was hooked to my 35' three horse GN. I pulled up to him, nose to nose, (We both had our trailers hooked up but unloaded) and started pulling him out head first, while I was backing out. It took well over half an hour of messing around and spinning to get us clear. My transmission temp only went up about 25 degrees over normal and leveled off. I have synthetic trans fluid, and at no time did the transmission experience any problems or act up in any way. The total equivalent spinning distance would probably have exceeded a mile or so. I haven't heard of the fluid flow problem, and am glad it caused me no harm. Guess I was lucky. Gard |
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Location: sc | Originally written by wyndancer on 2008-05-19 8:39 PM
Here a fact regard the Ford 4R100 and the E4OD. They don't have much fluid flow through the trans cooler when in reverse.....so it's quite possible to overheat either unit in a short amount of reverse jockeying. Many of the people who bigger 5'ers go for low range, in their 4x4's, when backing into campsites or uphill up driveways.Is the Allison, or the 5R110 that way? Can't say. Im not a Ford guy so I dont know about "much fluid flow through the trans cooler when in reverse", but I suspect how much fluid is moving through the cooler in reverse is a moot point since youre moving in reverse and little to no air is flowing over the cooler anyway. Ive always just watched the tranny gauge when making "demanding" reverse maneuvers. |
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Location: Holland, Tx | Our last property didn't have anywhere good to turn my truck/trailer around after a rain (even a light rain and I could manage to get stuck). I used to back my truck and trailer in (about 300 yards) at least once a week during the winter/fall months....often every single day of the week and NEVER had a problem with my truck. At that time, it rarely rained here anytime between May and September.... |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | You mean to tell Me the engine doesn't turn in reverse when backing up! I am devistated. You won't hurt diddly by backing up that far. Worry more about the price of fuel than backing.Only thing that might get damaged could be a fender' |
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Problem with truck's backing up quite a ways?
