BULLDOG GOOSENECK HITCH
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Posted 2008-05-05 10:24 PM (#83224)
Subject: BULLDOG GOOSENECK HITCH



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I have a 20-k round bulldog gooseneck hitch on my trailer that shows to be rated at 20,000 lbs gross and 6000 lbs max vert.  it has something called a "load bearing pin"...

My questions is, should the hitch tube be showing signs of stress or cracks wear the "load bearing" pin goes through the hitch tube?? 

(hard to explain with no pictures, If you have a pipe with a hole all the way through the center and install a pin in it and the weight is riding on the pin, the actual pipe or tube is deforming and has small cracks wear the pipe sets on the pin.)

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-05-05 11:24 PM (#83233 - in reply to #83224)
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I've had several GN trailers,and,I've never even heard of such a thing.I don't know why one would even need a weight bearing "pin" but I'm not an engineer,so,it's just probably something else I don't know anything about! I can't imagine it's function,though,if they all are not made that way.
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Posted 2008-05-06 2:17 AM (#83237 - in reply to #83224)
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Without a doubt... Cracks in the hitch tube are bad.  The cracks will not heal themselves, they'll only get bigger with use or time.  Repair or replace it now!  Waiting for a later time is daring the Fates to dump on you.
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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-05-06 8:59 AM (#83254 - in reply to #83224)
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You have the newer style Bulldog hitch. Pin goes through the tube, and one bolt to tighten down. Right? If it is mushrooming out and cracking above the pin hole, I would call Bulldog about it and put them on the spot. www.bulldogproducts.net 

I had a trailer that had it, and it is a POS as far as I am concerned. I was told to loosen the bolt and put the hitch on the truck so that the pin bears the weight, and then to tighten the bolt back down. Never would stay tight.

 

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barnestrading
Reg. May 2008
Posted 2008-05-06 9:47 AM (#83262 - in reply to #83254)
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Yes it is the newer style!  This trailer is less than a year old and we are having all kinds of problems now.  Look at the post in this forum about LQ floor in a steel trailer!  I have had larger horse trailers with the old style hitch and have never seen anything like this.  I have a 28' flatbed hay trailer that is way more weight than this one is loaded and it has the old style and nothing wrong with it at all!
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genebob
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Posted 2008-05-06 10:04 AM (#83265 - in reply to #83224)
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Is this the same trailer with the floor problems? I think you need to see the dealer A.S.A.P. Way to many what I would call major issues.
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Posted 2008-05-06 10:12 AM (#83269 - in reply to #83265)
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YES, SAME TRAILER!  Contacted the trailer mfg. and have had no luck so I called my Lawyer!  That is why I can not give any more trailer info as far as brand!  Keep looking and you will find out soon!
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mgisse
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-05-06 1:26 PM (#83286 - in reply to #83224)
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The cracks are from all the weight sitting on the pin . The hitch was never adjusted right on the trailer . The pin should have been centered in the hole and then the set bolt tightened down so that all the weight wasent sitting on the pin causing the cracking on the down tube.
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Tresvolte
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Posted 2008-05-06 2:07 PM (#83294 - in reply to #83286)
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Then why would the manufacturer term it as a "3/4" load bearing pin"?

Mine was originally set as you described (I was originally told to set it like that), and over a month, shimmied it's way down to the pin until the weight was setting on it and it mushroomed. So when I called, I was informed that I was originally told incorrectly and the weight should be on the pin before I tightened the bolt. First time was the trailer manufacturer, and the phone call was to the coupler manufacturer.

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-05-06 2:13 PM (#83296 - in reply to #83294)
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I personally wouldn't have such a thing,and I believe I'd have to invest in another GN bulldog or other brand of coupler WITHOUT a pin.
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barnestrading
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Posted 2008-05-06 5:57 PM (#83310 - in reply to #83296)
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I assumed that when I bought a $60,000. trailer that the mfg. would know what product they need to install. Myself, since the trailer I have has a gross weight of 18770 lbs I would have installed the 30-k square bulldog hitch not the 20-k, but like I said, I assumed that a 60-k dollar trailer would have the right equipment from the start! I was also told to set the weight of the trailer on the truck then tighting the bolt!
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-05-06 10:45 PM (#83332 - in reply to #83310)
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Well,you'd think that,as we did.We bought a nice Platinum LQ trailer,and several issues were going on,one of which was: the dealer's bunch had apparently bent the coupler hauling it around on the lot with that boom that they use with a tractor.We didn't imagine what was wrong when we could barely get it unlatched after getting it home,then,when we were getting ready to go on a trip about a month later,we couldn't get it latched back.It was the coupler that had been bent.But,it didn't come from the manufacturer like that.Still,having to replace a $75 bulldog coupler on a brand new trailer wasn't so much fun,either.I have seen those new types of couplers,and,I personally as I said,wouldn't have one.
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horsey1
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2008-05-07 1:43 PM (#83405 - in reply to #83224)
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Those "new" couplers with the pin were dictated by NHTSA a couple of years ago to ensure that a trailer couldn't come off of its coupler and go acreening along. Remember, GN safety chains are only mandated at the state level, not federally. Before the pin, it was conceivable that a trailer could come up and off of a coupler stem.
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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-05-07 2:28 PM (#83413 - in reply to #83224)
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I wouldnt think it was NHTSA because the only coupler manufacturer that has done it is Bulldog. Still lots of new trailers out there that are without it. Maybe it is a future requirement and Bulldog is beating everyone else to it?

I couldn't even think of pulling a horse trailer down a road that was rough enough to bounce one 15-16" up and over that inner pipe. That would be one of those roads where you pull your hat down tight and hang on! 

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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-05-07 4:22 PM (#83432 - in reply to #83224)
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I agree with mgisse, the hitch was not adjusted properly. That pin is not intended to carry the weight, it is only a safety backup in case the upper tube bolts loosen. If those bolts are not tight and the pin is supporting all the weight, I can see where the constant pounding would bend the pin or damage the coupler tube. By the way, if you paid $60K for a trailer with a frame and floor like that, I have a really good roping horse I would like to sell you. Please PM me for details.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-05-07 11:14 PM (#83467 - in reply to #83405)
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Originally written by horsey1 on 2008-05-07 1:43 PM

Those "new" couplers with the pin were dictated by NHTSA a couple of years ago to ensure that a trailer couldn't come off of its coupler and go acreening along. Remember, GN safety chains are only mandated at the state level, not federally. Before the pin, it was conceivable that a trailer could come up and off of a coupler stem.

If it's latched down properly I don't see how myself.And are you saying the trailer will come off of the coupler,or,off of the ball? How does one come off of the coupler??

That is why they have chains.They've worked all these years fine,I don't see what a load bearing pin would do that is more.



Edited by crowleysridgegirl 2008-05-07 11:17 PM
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barnestrading
Reg. May 2008
Posted 2008-05-08 9:56 AM (#83496 - in reply to #83467)
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On the old style hitch, it if the 2 bolts that hold the hitch in place are not tight, they will back off and if your trailer is loaded heavy in the rear the hitch coupler will come out of the tube that sets on the actual trailer htich ball!  All the chain are for is SAFETY, not to keep the hitch together..
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barnestrading
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Posted 2008-05-08 10:01 AM (#83497 - in reply to #83432)
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The hitch was adjusted per bull dogs spec., by the trailer manufacture!  Why do you think they call it a load bearing pin??  And if you take a look at this hitch before you post you would know that this style hitch only has 1 BOLT not 2 like the old style!

With all of the feedback on these trailers, I did not realize that they had a problem,  from what I have seen, the smaller trailers are fine, it is just the larger trailers that they have issues with.

I have a great roping horse, no need for another.

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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-05-08 10:10 AM (#83500 - in reply to #83497)
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I think the burden to make sure the bolt(s) are kept tight is on you. You did check them, along with your lug nuts, didn't you? Did you look under this trailer before you bought it?

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Tresvolte
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Posted 2008-05-08 11:08 AM (#83507 - in reply to #83500)
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I will agree that the responsibility is on the owner to make sure the bolt is tight, and keep checking to make sure it is tight. But the single bolt system that they have gone to isn't holding. Give me back the double bolts and I have absolutely no problem with the pin. Mine was so tight that it took a 24" crescent and a cheater to get it off. And I am not a little guy either. The bolt wasn't loosening on mine, but would waller in to the inner pipe and allow it to slide down. I had been told by the manufacturer to center the pin. When I called Bulldog, the answer was rest the weight on the pin and then tighten the bolt. Which is what I did and then didn't worry about it. But it did mushroom the pin hole. And my tongue weight loaded was right at 4000#.



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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-05-08 11:21 AM (#83509 - in reply to #83224)
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Sounds like a definite design flaw then. I can't imagine Hayes ( I think they make bulldog) would make a big fuss about replacing a $150 coupler.
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crowleysridgegirl
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Posted 2008-05-08 12:22 PM (#83518 - in reply to #83496)
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Originally written by barnestrading on 2008-05-08 9:56 AM

On the old style hitch, it if the 2 bolts that hold the hitch in place are not tight, they will back off and if your trailer is loaded heavy in the rear the hitch coupler will come out of the tube that sets on the actual trailer htich ball!  All the chain are for is SAFETY, not to keep the hitch together..

OK,now I get your drift.Couldn't picture what was talking about.

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barnestrading
Reg. May 2008
Posted 2008-05-09 3:01 PM (#83598 - in reply to #83507)
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Yes, I check all lug nuts, hitch and anything that has to done with the truck or trailer before every trip. My better half and daughter are the one that use this POS, all I do is make sure it is safe and ready to go for them.No, I did not look under this trailer before I bought it, I assumed that a major trailer manufacture would be up to par on the quality they put in a trailer before they send the trailer out! GUESS I WAS WRONG!
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Reg. May 2008
Posted 2008-05-09 4:43 PM (#83605 - in reply to #83432)
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Originally written by Tx. Vaquero on 2008-05-07 4:22 PM

I agree with mgisse, the hitch was not adjusted properly. That pin is not intended to carry the weight, it is only a safety backup in case the upper tube bolts loosen. If those bolts are not tight and the pin is supporting all the weight, I can see where the constant pounding would bend the pin or damage the coupler tube. By the way, if you paid $60K for a trailer with a frame and floor like that, I have a really good roping horse I would like to sell you. Please PM me for details.

Why would you say something like this to someone?  Do you think they purposely bought the trailer knowing it was like that?  I get the impression that maybe your horse is not up to par and you think you can trick someone into buying it just because they bought a trailer with problems. 

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Posted 2008-05-09 6:08 PM (#83611 - in reply to #83605)
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That is what I thought myself! If I had know about this from the start I would not have bought this trailer.
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barnestrading
Reg. May 2008
Posted 2008-05-09 6:11 PM (#83612 - in reply to #83224)
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When you spend weeks looking over flyers, websites and trying to find information about something and wanting to find most of the options you are looking for in the budget you have, you expect it to be like you are told!
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crowleysridgegirl
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Posted 2008-05-10 12:26 AM (#83629 - in reply to #83612)
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Don't let anybody put a homemade 'guilt trip' on you or try to make you out to be a DA because you didn't do everything they think that you should have.People that are honest usually go into most deals thinking that everyone is like they are.I say this because I had a father that was honest to a fault,and there were times that he was screwed over royally because he thought everyone treated him the way that HE treated THEM.

We paid what we considered quiet a bit for a nice Platinum LQ.GOod name,good trailer.We assumed everything was up to par,and no,we didn't get down on the ground and look under it.It was aluminum and had a likewise floor.Nothing wrong with that,but,imagine how we felt when we got the trailer home the next AM and in bright sunlight,without trailers lined up beside it,we were able to sight down the shortwall and saw some hail damage on the skin! Also on the roof,that's when we knew it had hail damage.Now,we didn't ask for a ladder and climb up on top to look at the trailer when we bought it.So,were we stupid for not doing that? No.We thought we were buying a well made trailer.The name spoke that it was,ect.Same with your trailer,good name,been in business a long time.So you have to ask,what happened to them along the way??

Keep pursuing legal avenues in this,the trailer wasn't safely built to begin with and they'll have a huge mess on their hands if they don't make it right.

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barnestrading
Reg. May 2008
Posted 2008-05-10 12:46 PM (#83653 - in reply to #83224)
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Thanks for the uplifting thoughts!

Our actual dealer has been GREAT trying to help with everythin.  But when the dealer contacted the manufacture about the problems to being with and called me back I get the feeling that the manufacture is trying to get the dealer out of it.  "Just by the tone of his voice when the dealer called me back"  I could tell that something was up!

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