Today is April fools day and unfortunately many people weren't celebrating the event. In the Pittsburgh PA area, and I'm sure many other parts of the country, many independent truckers spent their valuable time by the side of the road, with their motors off, holding signs protesting fuel costs.

In our area, diesel is now $4.28 a gal, and at that rate, many drivers are loosing money with every mile they drive. One driver, when asked by a reporter what he was going to do, said "When I can't make my payments, they'll take my truck. When they take my truck, I'll loose my job. When I loose my job, I won't be able to feed my family or pay for my house. When everything is gone, I'll be on welfare."

The world economy and markets dictate the pricing of fuel. This strike, while meaningful, will have little impact except to make everyone aware of the plight of the very people, of whom we have the most need. Without the truckers, our main transportation system would grind to a standstill. Every durable goods price would increase even more dramatically than we've already seen.

The heads of the oil companies met again before congress today, to explain why their profits are deserved.  Assuming that they do deserve their profits, then why do the tax payers have to pay out an additional 19 billion dollars every year to them in subsidies? Why couldn't that money be used to supplement the trucking industry, so that all of our standard of living is less adversely effected?

We can't control the costs of fuel, but we CAN take steps to alleviate a growing malady, that may be catastrophic to our economy.

Gard 

The growing malady is the 1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS spent or committed.....well, I've said enough...

http://zfacts.com/p/447.html

On Capitol Hill, Big Oil drilled with questions

Executives defend profits, tax breaks

BY H. JOSEF HEBERT • ASSOCIATED PRESS • April 2, 2008 - Detroit News/Free Press

WASHINGTON -- Executives of the nation's five biggest oil companies said Tuesday they know record fuel prices are hurting people, but they argued it's not their fault and said their huge profits are in line with other industries.

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Appearing before the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, the executives were pressed to explain why they should continue to get billions of dollars in tax breaks when they made $123 billion last year and motorists are paying record gasoline prices.

"On April Fools' Day, the biggest joke of all is being played on American families by Big Oil," said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass.

But J.S. Simon, senior vice president of Exxon Mobil Corp., said the industry depends on high earnings to sustain it during down cycles. His company made a record $40 billion profit last year.

"Our earnings, although high in absolute terms, need to be viewed in the context of the scale and cyclical, long-term nature of our industry as well as the huge investment requirements," Simon said.

The up cycle has been going on too long, suggested Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo. "The anger level is rising significantly."

Democrats hammered the executives for their profits and demanded they do more to develop alternative energy sources such as wind, solar and biofuels. Republicans called for opening more areas for drilling to boost domestic production of oil and gas.

What would bring lower prices? asked Rep. James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, the committee's ranking Republican.

"We need access to all kinds of energy supply," said Robert Malone, chairman of BP America, adding that 85% of the country's coastal waters are off-limits to drilling.

Markey challenged the executives to pledge to invest 10% of their profits to develop renewable energy and give up $18 billion in tax breaks over 10 years so money could be funneled to support other energy and conservation.

They responded that their companies already spend on alternative energy projects and argued that new taxes would dampen investment and could lead to even higher prices.

Over the past five years, Simon said, Exxon Mobil's U.S. tax bill exceeded its U.S. profits by $19 billion.

Markey wasn't impressed.

"These companies are defending billions of federal subsidies ... while reaping over a hundred billion dollars in profits in just the last year alone," he said. The companies are reaping "a windfall of revenue" while poor people have to choose between heating and eating.

 

Also check out this website:  http://www.topix.net/com/xom  Please read about the topics: Oil and Gas, Exxon Mobil, and Energy. 

 

Oh my gosh- now who in the heck GAVE the oil industry those tax breaks to begin with? the same oily congressmen how are now sitting up there in judgement of the industry. Who passed all those stupid environmental laws that caused diesel  prices to rie? the same oil congressmen sitting up there in judgement of the oil industry. And who has passed the laws taxing the price of fuel thats driving up the cost of diesel? the same oily congressmane who are now sitting in judgement against the oil industry.

if you want to lower the cost of fuel, eliminate the fuel taxes today. Eliminating the tax breaks will do nothing about the price of fuel- period. Federal, State, and local taxes are a large component of the retail price of gasoline. Taxes (not including county and local taxes) account for approximately 19 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline. Within this national average, Federal excise taxes are 18.4 cents per gallon and State excise taxes average about 21 cents per gallon. Also, eleven States levy additional State sales and other taxes, some of which are applied to the Federal and State excise taxes.

Once again- polticians are now taking advantage to get face time on TV standing up for the consumer when most of this mess is their fault to begin with. We should be draggin their butts into the ring asking them why they are pasing laws that raise the price of fuels. We should be investigting them of the corruption known as CONGRESS.

Nothing will come of this circus. Anyone who believe congress can actually solve problems is insane- remember these are the people who want to run your health care......

Tripper- why not eliminate all fossill fuels? Better for the environment....

Why not drill for MORE oil here in the USA,elimnate federal taxes and loosen environmental regualtionss and make feuls less expensive so everyone can benefit?

Fuel consumption dropped 1% in March. Showing that the higher fuel cost did affect at least some folks purchases of fuel.

Truckers are only a part of this. There are a lot of others who make their living  that requires fuel.  Farmers need fuel to put their crops into the ground, tend them and harvest them. My Brother-in-law is a dairy farmer and his milk prices again have been reduced as the buyer who buys his milk asorb the cost of fuel increases.  Milk increased in price at the store. but the farmer who produced it got paid less, and his cost to produce the milk went up.

The construction industry depends on heavy equipment. It's getting to where it's not profitable to even move a Trac Hoe, a Back Hoe, A dump truck to a new job site, let alone run it all day. And anybody working in that  business is driving a full size pickup, because we are towing.  It's not a matter that I need a full size truck for my horse trailer on Saturday, I need it every day.

The poor gas station owners are struggling. Big Oil may be making money. But the fellow who owns the corner gas station isn't. And 95% of the gas stations in the USA are independantly owned.  Most gas stations make more money on a cup of coffee than they do on a gallon of gas. Couple that with the Credit Card fees they pay on $4.00 a gallon diesel fuel and the occassional drive off, they are not making any money on fuel. Most refineries require that they pay for the fuel before it's unloaded. Take delivery of a 12,000 gallon tanker and they are writting a check for close to $48,000. And last weeks tank of fuel generated less in total sales. So because fuel prices jumps so fast, they are writting checks out for more money than they got for the last load.

I just don't see that the truckers deserve any special consideration more than a lot of other groups. And fuel is not out of line compared to what I paid for it years ago. I mean it has increased from $.60 a gallon in the late 70's to $4.00 a gallon 30 years later. Thats not much inflation vs everything else. It's just that it all come in the last year or two.  Energy will be a higher percentage of our budgets from now on. We may stop or slow down building such big homes for ourselves. Families may go back to a  1400 sf home in place of the 2400sf ramblers. We may eat at home more and less in fancy resturants. We may start taking our lunch to work with us instead of eating at McDonnalds. Your morning coffee may come from your coffee pot and StarBucks. All this because our energy needs now cost us 12% of our budget instead of 6%.

I pity the truckers, the working people of this country, and we horse people who just want to get away on weekends with our diesel trucks once in a while... We thought we had a handle on organized crime in the USA... HA!! Gangsters are runnin the government now and we have to pick a new one this year... put some stampede strings on your cowboy hat 'cause yur gonna needum...for the ride we're on now!

Dear folks;

I am not suggesting that Obama and Rev. Wright *wrong- should take over...In fact, I'm not sure which one of the three stooges should.

Huh? Translation Please.

What the hell is "ells"? Something you eat?

The Republican controlled Congress

That's right, 10 years ago when oil was $10 a barrel. I guess you think that was a bad idea? Granted it should have been removed when the price point became profitable, that would have been about the time that the ragheads flew some planes into a few buildings of ours. If we had been smart we could have repealed the tax, spent the cash on a few Nukes and eliminated the problem, you know nuclear explosion in all that sand would have made the worlds largest punch bowl, but the Democrats would rather have our boys not piss nobody off, tie their hands behind their backs and tell them to fight a war, but don't upset anyone.

Believe me I know how they are having to fight over there, I'm an Ex-Marine and I have a nephew over there now.

Partisan Politics on the internet...

FINALLY!!! THE VOICE OF REASON

Gard

OH TAY! Back to the truckers... Have they, did they, are they going to strike. If so, then they need to all do it at the same time. If each individual is going to go on their own strike.... "Like I'm not going to run my truck today, but I'll run the rest of the week", then it will not have any effect. It won't be any different than the truck being out of service for repairs. One tuck off the road at the time won't make any difference but when they ALL shut down for days at the time... Only then will they draw some attention! Good or bad, it will draw some attention.

I drove 1100 miles round trip last weekend to a show in Jacksonville, Fl. I carried four horses, Jennifer showed in the same classes as we have in the past several years. except two of the four horses are our two year old babies that are just starting out. Most of the people there were from N.C. These are the same people we show with/against here at home, in N.C. also in Pa., Tn., S.C., Va., etc. The same people, same horses, just a different facility and different judges. It's begining to seem like the movie Ground Hog Day! I can look at a class line up before they enter the ring, pick the top winners in the class and get 8 of the 10 right almost every time.

  I guess what I'm saying is.... I could have stayed at home, saved $400.00+ in GASOLINE. Took the $400.00 gas money and bought some nice trophies, an assortment of blue and championship ribbons. Used the entry fee money, stall money (5 stalls), camper spot money, shavings money, DQP money, picture money to the photographer, etc. and made a down payment on the F-450 I looked at with the POS 6.0 diesel engine that would konk out on me with a load of horses going to a show over in Tennessee this summer while traveling through the mountains while it's 101 degrees....I guess... I'm not doing my part to save fuel. Each show is a repeat of the last, everything just keeps going round and round.... cept' for the fuel prices, and the hay, and feed, and vet calls, which keep going UP.

I think the price of this fuel is just catching up with everything else. I bought a new K20 Silverado 4x4 in 1978..paid $8100.00 cash. The next year I bought a 30' long 7' wide 7' tall, steel Circle M Supreme stock trailer, paid about $5000.00 for that. So I got $13100.00 in a new truck and trailer that will haul half the horses in the "Bend of the River" community. I got about 7 times that much money tied up in the rig I have now. Gas in 1978 was what??? .50 a gallon, this morning it's $3.25. .50 a gallon X 7 = $3.50 a gallon!! So, gasoline hasn't gone up as much as vehicles have in the past 30 years... But it's almost there, at least it is in Nash County!

  Man Da#n, hard to believe that was 30 years ago!!! I don't think I'll see another 30 years, I'll be hitting the 50 mark in September.

  How about some breakfast?!!

The so called trucker strike was/is just to get a little publicity to the high cost of diesel. We all sit here in front of our expensive computers that we have to pay a monthly fee to be on line, talking about our expensive trailers, that require expensive trucks to pull, talking about showing, rodeoing or trail riding all of the above takes even more cash to participate in, yet we are all going to stop over an extra $50 in fuel. If you were down to your last $50 I would hope you were not going to the rodeo, show, or trail ride to begin with.

And by the way, if you don't have the stomach for a little razing by the members on here, then go somewhere that thinks you are always right. I still think this is an opinion forum, none of us are experts, and if you go spouting off something that is dead wrong your most likely going to get called out on it.

It happened, April 1st

Gard

Steve, I'm confused.  You remind us this is an opinion forum and that none of us are experts, but you warn others if they spout off about something that is wrong they will be "called out on it".  On whose basis is something wrong, and if it's someone's opinion, why can't they share it here without being called out on it by you?

Boy, I sure miss the old days when we all drove 454's or 460's and complaind about the 5 mpg. Let's see...a little calculation...25 years ago...GAS...$1.25 gallon...5 mpg...30 gallons...150 miles for $37.50.  A little more calculation...today in Oklahoma...DIESEL...$3.70 gallon...12 mpg (have my foot in it)...30 gallons...360 miles for $111.  That means it is costing me 6 cents more per mile than it did 25 years ago. I am not going to complain about it.

Now $4 per gallon milk...kids...3 gallons per week. Or bottled water is all that we can drink now...89 centsper bottle...$7.12 per gallon...I think...calculator quit working

Get a couple of your friends to each kick in $50, and you could have one grand BBQ.

I got to wonder how much fuel this country would save if the 55 mph speed limit was reinstated. I know my truck gets somewhat better mileage running 55 that it does running 65-70. My truck gets almost 1 mpg better running at 65 rather than 70, when weighing approx. 23000#.

I was getting right at 8.0 running 70 and almost 9.0 running between 63-65 on flat ground, coming up from Florida into North Carolina.

1100 miles divided by 8 mpg = 137.5 gallons x $3.25 = $446.87 for gas

1100 miles divided by 9 mpg = 122.2 gallons x $3.25 = $397.22 for gas

That's almost a $50.00 savings for one show by slowing down by 5 to 8 mph. But it's hard to do, because you feel like you're about to get run over buy everyone that's in 900 hurries to get somewhere.

So there's that $50.00 that HWBar was speaking of. All I got to do is slow down and I'll be $50.00 to the good!!

That is right. I know my tahoe gets alot better mileage running 55-60 versus 75-80. But at 55 I feel like this .

You know you are right about this, I'm no expert on elves, or eels, or Elvis, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn 3 weeks ago.

Speeding on the highway adds a surprising amount to your fuel costs.

With gas prices rising, gas-saving advice abounds: Drive more gently, don't carry extra stuff in your trunk, combine your shopping trips.

This is all sound advice but there's one driving tip that will probably save you more gas than all the others, especially if you spend a lot of time on the highway: Slow down.

More from CNNMoney.com: • Issue #1: America's Money • Gas: Painful, and Getting Worse • Diesel: The Truck Stops Here

In a typical family sedan, every 10 miles per hour you drive over 60 is like the price of gasoline going up about 54 cents a gallon. That figure will be even higher for less fuel-efficient vehicles that go fewer miles on a gallon to start with.

The reason is as clear as the air around you.

When cruising on the highway, your car will be in its highest gear with the engine humming along at relatively low rpm's. All your car needs to do is maintain its speed by overcoming the combined friction of its own moving parts, the tires on the road surface and, most of all, the air flowing around, over and under it.

Pushing air around actually takes up about 40% of a car's energy at highway speeds, according to Roger Clark, a fuel economy engineer for General Motors.

Traveling faster makes the job even harder. More air builds up in front of the vehicle, and the low pressure "hole" trailing behind gets bigger, too. Together, these create an increasing suction that tends to pull back harder and harder the faster you drive. The increase is actually exponential, meaning wind resistance rises much more steeply between 70 and 80 mph than it does between 50 and 60.

Every 10 mph faster reduces fuel economy by about 4 mpg, a figure that remains fairly constant regardless of vehicle size, Clark said. (It might seem that a larger vehicle, with more aerodynamic drag, would see more of an impact. But larger vehicles also tend to have larger, more powerful engines that can more easily cope with the added load.)

That's where that 54 cents a gallon estimate comes from. If a car gets 28 mpg at 65 mph, driving it at 75 would drop that to 24 mpg. Fuel costs over 100 miles, for example - estimated at $3.25 a gallon - would increase by $1.93, or the cost of an additional 0.6 gallons of gas. That would be like paying 54 cents a gallon more for each of the 3.6 gallons used at 65 mph. That per-gallon price difference remains constant over any distance.

Engineers at Consumer Reports magazine tested this theory by driving a Toyota Camry sedan and a Mercury Mountaineer SUV at various set cruising speeds on a stretch of flat highway. Driving the Camry at 75 mph instead of 65 dropped fuel economy from 35 mpg to 30. For the Mountaineer, fuel economy dropped from 21 to 18.

Over the course of a 400-mile road trip, the Camry driver would spend about $6.19 more on gas at the higher speed and Mountaineer driver would spend an extra $10.32.

Driving even slower, say 55 mph, could save slightly more gas. In fact, the old national 55 mph speed limit, instituted in 1974, was a response to the period's energy crisis.

It was about more than just high gas prices, though. The crisis of the time involved literal gasoline shortages due to an international embargo. Gas stations were sometimes left with none to sell, and gas sales had to be rationed. The crisis passed, but the national 55 mph speed limit stayed on the books until the law was loosened in the 1980s. It was finally dropped altogether in 1995. (The law stuck around more because of an apparent safety benefit than for fuel saving.)

Despite today's high gas prices, don't expect to see a return to the national 55 mph speed limit. The law was unpopular in its day, and higher speeds have become so institutionalized that even the Environmental Protection Agency's fuel economy test cycle now includes speeds of up to 80 mph.

Driving 10 miles per hour faster, assuming you don't lose time getting pulled over for a speeding ticket, does have the advantage of getting you to your destination 50 minutes sooner on that 400 mile trip. Whether that time difference is worth the added cost and risk is, ultimately, up to you.

One of the nice things about posting on a forum is that you aren't graded on your msippellings or yer grammir. 

Some may make judgements about you for a msippelling, but I've found respectful people won't bring it to everyone's attention in public.

This is a private forum (not a club) for those that need knowledge about horse trailers and hauling and we want first timers to post.  We need old timers with experience and knowledge to answer.  BUT, If you feel your longevity is protection for you to take ownership of what people should tolerate on "your" board please help us out with a reevaluation of your purpose and importance to this forum.   

It is interesting to listen to people justify why they WON'T slow down...if the U.S. were on a wartime footing as it was in WWII...Speeding, i.e. fuel wastage would be looked upon as UNAMERICAN activity...ah how things have changed in 66 years...

C Gas Ration sticker was issued in 1942.

Gas was being rationed for the war effort.

The C sticker was issued primarily to professional people, physicians nurses, dentists, ministers, priests, Mail delivery, embalmers,  farm workers, construction or maintenance workers, Soldiers and armed forces going to duty, and several others.

It has a tab under the  "C" for the individual to check his occupation. There are 17 different occupations for this sticker.  In reality this one was more used than the "A" sticker which is pretty much mostly seen today simply because it was larger. Immediately after the war it was quickly scraped off the windshield as it revealed the exact occupation of professional people who did not wish their occupation revealed on their cars.

That's why there is a derth of pre-war tractors as collectables today...because they disappeared into the metal drives during the war...at least that's where our families units went...

Touche' Dave !  ( Pronounced Too-Sha )

Thanks for pulling in the reins

You remind me of the the little kid that stands behind the teachers leg and stick his tounge out, to bad I can't wait behind a bush on your way home.

HWBAR, you have been very critical of and belittle other people for misspellings and grammar mistakes. Perhaps a review of your last posting, will give you the needed insight, into the difficulties of formulating a complete sentence.

teacher should be TEACHER'S

tounge should be TONGUE

Stick should be STICKS

to should be TOO

I know that you want to realize your mistakes and learn from them, so that you can maintain your moral high ground.

Please don't hide behind a bush, you're welcome to visit my house anytime you please.

Gard

I have no problem with people correcting my spelling, that is the way I learn, so I have no problem with towfoo  

Originally written by Tresvolte on 2008-04-04 2:22 PM

OUCH! That explains why my mileage has been so low. But saving 50 minutes out of a day...I can get a lot of things done in 50 minutes. But like they say...time is money. Literally.

That 50 minutes is based on a 400 mile trip.  Aside from truckers, how many folks travel that distance on a regular basis.  If you reduce it to a 50 mile trip, the time saved is only 6.25 minutes.  For me, 6 minutes is not worth risking my safety or lowering my mpg.  Not to mention running the risk of getting a ticket.  I'll gladly trade 6 minutes for another 4mpg.

Hmm...guess I won't be hitting the snooze button tomorrow morning.

RIDE ON!

Actually, I think it occured for more than just one day. Hubby said he saw trucks on the side of the road several days this week between here (Central Texas) and Los Angeles (he's a trucker, but not independent....he goes where the company sends him in THEIR rig @ their expense).

I think the purpose of the strike was to draw attention to the price of diesel (probably after the presidents "act" of disbelief @ the cost of diesel during a recent broadcast).

1. Diesel is some sort of by-product of diesel (or so I've been told). I have yet to understand why its $0.70 more per gallon.

2. The thing about truckers striking that draws attention is that without many of them, we wouldn't have the groceries and stuff needed to survive. Those trucks are what transports our groceries and other misc. items we NEED. They are HOPING (very wishfully I'm sure) they can point out how important they are to our society. I'm sure, unfortunately, it will do no good.

The time saved discussion is a lecture my uncle (now a detective, once a traffic cop) often gave offenders when he would write citations. It definitely sits in the back of my head as a reminder that speeding is rather useless (except on long trips LOL!!!!!....j/k)

As for going back to the 55mph speed limit....I'm all for 60-65. From what I've noticed, this is when my truck gets the best fuel mileage.

Of course, honestly, I can't complain much. Supposedly, the quality of diesel is lower and many people are getting worse mileage than before this "low sulfur" stuff started.

I drive a 2006 quad cab, 4x4, 6 speed Dodge diesel and during regular driving back and forth to work, running errands, I average between 20-22mpg. Pulling (3H alum. slowly getting LQ installed), usually fully loaded with horses, I get 17-19mpg and pulls like a dream. I love my dodges.

I offered to sell it to one of the doctors I work for as a joke (he has a 2003 just like mine, but had HELL with it last year as far as mechanical issues go) but hubby told me the other day I better hang on to it because the newer ones are getting worse fuel mileage...

Bush signed the act into law in 2005, after the lobbyists bought another piece of our government.

Gard

Well, I did it. Slowed down to the speed limit over the weekend. Late everywhere I went.Stupid snooze button.  

In all seriousness, I did slow down. City traffic most of it. I didn't exceed the speed limit at all. Gained 3 mpg. And that was real world, 50 minute at a time, driving. Now on my tank, that will make 90 miles difference per tank. A fairly significant amount by itself. Imagine if we all were to slow down. That would make a huge difference.

And Paul, I take the "won't slow down" as directed at me since I was the only one that admittedly speeds, but if you will go back and look, I never stated that I "won't".

Interesting. Saltwater for fuel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM

You were NOT being singled out......There have been other on this and other threads on this forum who emphasized the speeds that they traveled with and without their trailers...But if you felt guilty and so benefited from your guilty feelings, then my work here is done...

This is where the real future for clean motoring is...

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?ef_id=1097:3:s_fe8a6e9574690fd23b196a7b9f8f0419_1053084402:ur1rGdB6B3YAAGSeJO8AAAAH:20080409215321

I'm on my third HOnda.You can't hardly  wear the things out,just put oil and gas in them with occasional maintainence and they run like an old Singer sewing machine.

Next one I have,tho,is going to have a V6 in it no matter what.I'm tired of driving 4's and can't get up a hill without staying in the floor the entire time.Also,I'm going to shoot for that Pilot next time instead of the CR-V even tho I like the streamlined look of the new CR-V's.

HOndas are great vehicles.The last 2 that I had only had 1 thing to go wrong with each of them,and it was no real biggie.One was a recall issue.