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Location: beaumont texas | In planning out an 11' LQ, I am thinking of eliminating one sink and using that area for more storage/cabinet area. I am wondering whether to put sink in kitchen area or bathroom. I don't plan on cooking much, and if I do, i would use paper plates. But I would also like plenty of cabinets in the bathroom so we can keep our clothes in the bathroom and change there. For resale purposes, where would be the best place to put one sink? (some of my friends are think that using a kitchen sink to brush teeth is gross...) |
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Location: WI | Without a doubt a sink in the kitchen makes more sense to me than one in the bathroom. Tell your friends to brush their teeth outside. |
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Location: western PA | I would place my vote for a single sink in the kitchen area. I don't think I would buy a trailer without it. Numerous bathroom areas are ultimately used for storage anyway, with many shower stalls containing everything except water. The sink should be located in the area used the most. Even if no cooking is involved, you still want to wash before eating, and a spill in the fridge or on the counter needs to be cleaned up. When several people are living in a confined area, many "yuck" factors are involved on a daily basis. Privacy is minimal, eating and hygiene are basic, and when the sink is busy, many teeth are brushed outside the door with a glass of water. Ask your friends who are easily grossed out, if they have ever done much camping. Just to have running water is a treat. My weekender trailer has no sink in the bathroom, and for day trips or a couple of overnights, the kitchen sink is adequate. But when we have a larger group or plan on a lengthy stay, our longer LQ with a bathroom sink is a more comfortable solution. The more people that are living in your LQ space, the more your utilities will be important. Go to a large trailer sales and really look at the various LQ layouts and floor plans. I find it difficult to visualize an interior based on a printed floor plan. By looking at an actual installation, and feeling how I fit in and use that space, I can better determine what is most useful and pleasing. This may assist you in your design and decision making. BOL Gard |
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Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | The thought of washing my hands after using the bathroom in the same sink where I would be preparing foods and washing my dishes.....really GROSSES ME OUT!
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Location: Coconut Creek, FL | Icy - you're just too durn fussy girl! (grin) I camped in a tent, then BP DR for many years - having one sink is a luxury. Besides who hasn't been on a long ride and had to drop your pants and pee in the woods.... If you haven't then you haven't done the length and kind of riding many of us on here have... and we all know when you gotta go.... |
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| So,you mean,you don't keep any antibacterial soap at your kitchen sink to wash your hands with after preparing any raw foods such as chicken?? If not,you're a first to me.And if you consider what consists of what is going into your kitchen sink and down your drain,ect.,your clean hand soap/water/rinsing is about the LEAST of nastiness.
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Location: Pennsylvania | I vote for the kitchen sink. You can always place a container of antibacterial hand wipes in the bathroom area for quick hand cleaning. |
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Location: Kansas | Which is nastier to put in your mouth-something that's been in the bathroom or something that's been in the kitchen???? /   |
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Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | >>ou're just too durn fussy girl! (grin) That may be true, but I never get the "stomach flu". Sorry, there's a difference between having dirty hands and hand with fecal matter on them. And I don't want fecal matter in the sink where I am preparing meals or washing the dishes. >>camped in a tent, then BP DR for many years - having one sink is a luxury. I went from a tent, to a truck shell, to a realy old slide-in camper, to a older slide-in camper ...to my RV. After the potty, I washed my hands at the camp bathroom, or water hydrant and not in the plastic tub I used for my dishes.>>Besides who hasn't been on a long ride and had to drop your pants and pee in the woodsBelieve me....I have dropped my riding breeches many times right on the trail to pee. Handi-wipes and hand sanitizer are always in my saddlebags.>>If you haven't then you haven't done the length and kind of riding many of us on here have... and we all know when you gotta goactually I spend tons of hours and miles it the saddle. huginn and i are high point riders for the Ice Association, three years in a row. when i gotto to go....i go.  Peace Out! |
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Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2008-01-08 11:39 AM
So,you mean,you don't keep any antibacterial soap at your kitchen sink to wash your hands with after preparing any raw foods such as chicken?
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Of course I wash my hands after handling raw meat. I tend to wash my hands several times while preparing food. I prefer to be picky, than risk getting an sick from eating fecal (or e. coli) matter contaminated foods. If after going to the bathroom, you were washing your hands at the kitchen sink, how can you possible keep that sink free from fecal matter? Clean enough to prepare meals there? IMHO...you can't.
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Location: Southern New Mexico | How do you prepare meals in a sink? I know washing veggies and stuff, but I always use a strainer so the extra water runs off and everything else goes on the counter. I guess if your hand washing dishes in it, but then you can just use a bit of bleach to clean it out. Your more likely to get fecal matter off ketchup packets and tables/chairs at a resturants. My kids tend to waste the hand soap so keep them from playing with it we keep it at the kitchen sink. They can rinse their hands in the bathroom, but they have to wash them in the kitchen. If we try to leave the hand soap in the bathroom it tends to become "bubble bath".
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| Well,not trying to sound ugly here,but,I don't have "fecal matter" on my hands after going to the b'room,and I'm sure you don't either. The amount of bacteria from our hands after going to the bathroom is scads minimal to what we encounter when preparing raw chicken in the sink,which are one and the same bacteria: E.coli.Antibacterial soap and plain soap with water for that matter effectively destroy these bacteria. I should know because I'm a nurse.And,you'd make a good surgical nurse yourself.PS Terri,message meant for Ice Pony.
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| My goodness, you are fussy. That's what soap and water are for. Do you think the stuff you buy in the stores are clean? Your bathroom sink is probably cleaner than your kitchen sink. As a health care worker of 35 years, we would be please if people simply washed their hands, even in a bucket of water would be nice. Also, you know those little hand wipes or liquid sanitizers? They would work great in the bathroom without a sink. By the way, I just got a new LQ trailer, made sure it had a sink in the kitchen. |
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| And,Amy,to answer YOUR original question,I'd lots rather have a kitchen sink alone than one in the bathroom alone.I've had LQ with a sink only in the kitchen,and one in the kitchen and bathroom both.I do more cooking and cleanup while camping than I do teeth brushing/HA HA! (I do brush my teeth while camping,however.)LOL! |
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Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | Originally written by A Friend In PA on 2008-01-08 11:55 AM
I vote for the kitchen sink. You can always place a container of antibacterial hand wipes in the bathroom area for quick hand cleaning. BTW...antibacterial wipes and hand sanitizes do not effectively clean hands when they are exposed to fecal matter and blood. Nor, is hand sanitizer is effective for preparing food. Due to the fact that hands are frequently wet during the food preparation. Coming into contact with bodily fluids requires a rigorous hand washing with good old soap and water. Antibacterial hand wipes and hand sanitizers are fine for when out on the trail with no access to water & soap. But geez...please do wash your hands after using the bathroom and for sure before fixin' meals. |
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Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | Originally written by Terri on 2008-01-08 1:20 PM How do you prepare meals in a sink? I prepare meals on the counter near my kitchen sink and wash my dishes in my kitchen sink. I would never rinse a dirty diaper in a kicthen sink, so why would I wash my hands after the bathroom in the my kitchen sink?Sorry....that is just plain gross. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Well I don't have a living quarters, so I don't got a sink, just a clean stainless steel dish pan, but I think I could get by with just one sink in the kitchen area if I had a LQ. If I had a large LQ then two sinks would be nice! Ya'll talk about camping with horses and Hygiene hand washing in the "food prep" sink etc....Then think about washing your hands the next time you grab a shopping cart at the grocery store, chicken juice, meat and fish juices, childrens nose juices and Lord knows what else is on those handles!!! You'll never encounter anything near that nasty out in the woods or on the trail.........And you are using your same hands to pick up your fresh fruit and veggies...Ya'll think about it, ever stole one of those white seedless grape and popped it into your mouth with "those hands" that's been pushing the shopping cart around the store...I thought you had, and you ain't dead yet!!! |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | I would never rinse a dirty diaper in a kicthen sink, so why would I wash my hands after the bathroom in the my kitchen sink?Sorry....that is just plain gross. Because a diaper actually HAS poop on it and your hand doesn't if you use toilet paper.
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Location: Southern New Mexico | Retento. That is exactly the point I was trying to make with the resturant thing. How many times have you seen someone leave the bathroom with out washing their hands. How many other people that DID wash their hands touch something that those people touched? I always use a papertowel to open the bathroom door if it opens in towards the bathroom. I never buy "fresh" produce at the grocery store. I've seen way to many people run their hands over the tomatoes and peppers and kids with runny noses playing in the bins of beans or nuts. |
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| Rentento,that's a good valid point.When growing up,no telling how many times I would run inside and grab a drink or something then run back outside and groom and play around with my horse.I didn't catch anything there. But in public places,and especially around hospitals,we're a heck of a lot more likely to pick up something nasty from doorhandles,surfaces,food in supermarkets,buffet meals,ect.I caught one of the worst staph infections I'd ever had ( I think it was staph,may not have been,but,it was REALLY BAD) from a hot bar buffet that had been out a little while during a hot summer spell.WHen I was undergoing chemo,I did not eat off of the buffet,but had a meal prepared.I may have been paranoid,yes,but,it was just an extra precaution that I felt necessary. Hand wipes and sanitizers are not as effective as handwashing,this has been proven in hospitals,but they are better than nothing.The problem is when people use NEITHER. |
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| Originally written by IcePonyGoddess on 2008-01-08 12:25 PM actually I spend tons of hours and miles it the saddle. huginn and i are high point riders for the Ice Association, three years in a row. when i gotto to go....i go.  Peace Out! Well,have fun doing it,for Pete's sake,and don't worry so much until you REALLY come down with something,then,you can worry.Worry if you'll survive to ride again.That's something worth worrying about. |
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Location: WI | Hehe... I feel more comfortable eating a raw dog sammich with my bare hands in the blazing sun while spreading a load of manure than I do using the restroom at a walmart. But, given one choice, a kitchen sink will be better utilized than a bathroom sink. That was the question, right? |
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Location: michigan | One can make themelves sick just thinking of all the possibilties of how to get sick.....germo-phobes.... Anyway- I'd perfer a kitchen sink if the choice was only one. |
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Location: Vermont | How much dirt do we actually eat over the course of a day? EPA suggests that we eat 100 to 200 milligrams per day. Probably adults consume less-on the order of 50 to 100 milligrams per day. Children, with their hand-to-mouth and toy-to-mouth behavior probably eat more than adults.
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Location: md | My kitchen sink is full of papers and nail polish and junk. I only cook rarely and then only outside. I have a dishpan for washing dishes. I use the bathroom sink exclusively. |
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Location: MO | I agree with the suggestion to visit a trailer dealer and see how the various LQ are laid out. We have a 10' LQ with a sink in the kitchen and a sink in the Bath room. Still plenty of room for our clothes and food. It's nice to be able to brush teeth, etc in the bathroom while the other is preparing a meal. |
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Location: California | For resale, have two sinks PERIOD!!! When doing anything to a trailer always think RESALE! A 10 ft lq is the shortest you can go and have enough room for a bathroom sink. With girls travelling, you cannot have enough "sinks" (doing hair, make-up, curling irons, etc...). When guys travel together, one can make coffee and the other can shave & brush teeth, etc... When a couple travel together, you need alot of room. I have sold trailers for many years and people with 6 or 8 ft couldn't wait to trade to something bigger so they can get a sink in the bathroom. At some time we all camped in tents, but if you have an LQ, do it right. |
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Location: beaumont texas | thanks for all the input...both informative and entertaining! kitchen sink, it is then. AND I WILL NEVER TASTE TEST ANOTHER GRAPE AT ANY STORE....EVER!!! ( i will leave the sanitizer in the bathroom and hope for the best.) I do have to add this note, just for fun facts about germs: according to medical studies, children that grow up in a house with 2 or more pets are healthier than children who grow up with no pets, something to do with the exposure to germs, etc. According to my husband, our kids should be the healthiest da** kids in texas... |
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Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2008-01-08 6:06 PM How much dirt do we actually eat over the course of a day?  If some of you are okay with that in the area where you are preparing food or where you are washing your hands before fixing meals (yea.. I know that some folks never wash their hands...gross), all I can say is that I hope when the so called "stomach flu" hits, it doesn't last too many days. Stay healthy.  |
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Location: michigan | I guess I don't get the huge concern. When I wash my hands in a sink, I use soap and water which is usually rinsed away out of the sink. Its not as if the "fecal matter/bodily fluids" are left to dry up and coat the sink basin and one doesn't take a piece of raw chicken and wipe up the sink with it either. I like to use a bleach based kitchen cleaner for the trailer and home sinks and counters anyway. I would be far more concerned if someone did not wash either hands after using the bathroom and before preparing meals rather than where they wash their hands.
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by IcePonyGoddess on 2008-01-08 9:07 PM Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2008-01-08 6:06 PM How much dirt do we actually eat over the course of a day? Okay...one more time. It's not dirt that concerns...it's the fecal matter/bodily fluids left on hands after using the bathroom.  If some of you are okay with that in the area where you are preparing food or where you are washing your hands before fixing meals (yea.. I know that some folks never wash their hands...gross ), all I can say is that I hope when the so called "stomach flu" hits, it doesn't last too many days. Stay healthy.  Gee...I guess I'm just lucky...because some days I do and some days I don't wash my hands in the kitchen sink...but then again I do wash down the sinks with an SOS pad... And in reality, as my Gdad used to say, you would be better served washing your hands before you did your business, because...sometimes you never know what you were handling BEFORE you went to the restroom......but that is another story... Also, stomach acid KILLS... |
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| Originally written by IcePonyGoddess on 2008-01-08 9:07 PM Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2008-01-08 6:06 PM How much dirt do we actually eat over the course of a day? Okay...one more time. It's not dirt that concerns...it's the fecal matter/bodily fluids left on hands after using the bathroom. If some of you are okay with that in the area where you are preparing food or where you are washing your hands before fixing meals (yea.. I know that some folks never wash their hands...gross ), all I can say is that I hope when the so called "stomach flu" hits, it doesn't last too many days. Stay healthy. OK,so,if I understand you correctly,as it is related to the question that the OP asked,whether to have a sink in the bathroom,or one in the kitchen (since it seemed her choice was just for one sink alone) here goes: You don't want to be washing your hands where you are preparing food and after going to the bathroom in the same sink. How the H does this apply to her? She's going to either have a sink in: the bathroom,or,the kitchen.If she only has one sink,then,where the H is the "germs,fecal matter on your hands" idea going to fit in? She's going to be using one sink,either in the bathroom,or,in the kitchen area.If she has a bathroom sink,she's going to be preparing food,snacks,cleanup,ect.using THAT sink,then,washing hands after going to the bathroom,in that same sink that you say the thought of using grosses you out, that sink where you've washed your hands after #2.Or,she's going to be using the kitchen area sink for all of it. I don't think our personal preferences and our theories are going to help her out very much.Where we wash our hands in our homes is our business,but it's not going to apply to her situation at all.
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| Amy,I've had both,a trailer with only one sink,and a trailer with 2.Matter of fact,I've had many more trailers with NONE.I say: if you only have a choice of one sink get it in the kitchen.They are usually larger than the bathroom sink anyway.You'll be miserable having a bathroom sink and no kitchen sink,trust me,you're a woman,heck,you can figure it out. And if it "grosses YOu out" to wash your hands in the same sink then run a pan of water and go outside and wash them in the middle of the night or a rainstorm,whatever.Not me.I didn't give a rip,I was glad to have a sink,period,and I didn't get sick.If after being a nurse for 35 years and a home health nurse for 15,and seeing some of the "grossest" stuff you can imagine to do dressing changes and wound care to didn't get me,washing my hands in one sink sure isn't.ANd there were times that my patients only had ONE sink,and that was the kitchen,no bathroom except outside.So,I had to wash my hands in their sink after doing wound care,ect.It didn't kill them or me either. Get a kitchen sink and be happy.Be glad you're getting a trailer that can have a sink.Heck,be glad you're able to go riding and use a sink,period!!!
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | crowleysridgegirl.....If you done the home health thing for 15 years, then you are mighty lucky to still be alive!! It don't get any more nasty than some of those ........Houses???!! |
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| you're right about that.And the PEOPLE in some of those houses----- And money doesn't = class either.I've been in the very nicest of homes,and probably some of the worst.The things that people have no longer have a real hold over me as a result. Important thing is: being happy,having fun,and being HEALTHY. Guess I'd better stop using that big hammer and washing in the kitchen,right Rentento?
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Location: Western WA | I have a Logan LQ trailer that has a unique design, the sink in the bathroom is in a pull out cabinet above the toilet. I use it as a countertop when putting on makeup and doing my hair, and of course brushing teeth and washing my hands after using the toilet. Its not the most convenient setup in the world, but it is a great alternative to not having a bathroom sink at all. You can probably find pictures on the Logan website. |
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Location: beaumont texas | Yes, I have definitely decided on the one sink being located in the kitchen area. And no one has to worry about food/germs etc, in MY trailer because I don't plan on cooking. (except for heating up water for coffee.) I don't cook at home if I can get away with it. But when I do, I will admit I am not overly concerned with germs in my house and we seem to do ok. Of course, some of you guys probably would not want to join us for meals, unless you like cat hair in your food, or at least that is what my husband claims. (I do keep a water gun in the dish drainer in an ATTEMPT to keep the cat off the counter...) I plan to have this trailer a long time. It is for myself and my two daughters (15 and 10) who show hunters. We sometimes get in a trail ride (not enough) but that is about the extent of roughing it. The storage is our main concern so I guess storage wins out over germs. (just kidding! sort of!) But I really do appreciate all the input and I will put a bottle of hand sanitizer in the bathroom. And when and if it comes time to sell the trailer, hopefully there will be someone out there with my type lifestyle that can live with one sink. Thanks everyone for your input. |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | Washing after going to the bathroom is a MUST, but I wouldn't be to worried about the germs. My daughter has been sick since she was born. Her doctors tell me not to use the antibacterial stuff when ever possible becuase she needs to be exposed to the germs to build her immune system. Now I'm not talking raw meat. He said of his patients, the ones that are sick the most are the kids with the "germaphobe" parents. The kids are never exposed to anything so they react to everything. My allergist also said that is one big factor in pet allergy/asthma studies. You have to be exposed to become immune. That is the reason for immunization/allergy shots. I used to wonder why the mutt down the road with the "wild child" never seemed to get sick when the animals/kids being cared for always seem to have something. Now I know. |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | (I do keep a water gun in the dish drainer in an ATTEMPT to keep the cat off the counter...) I found that clear packing tape works better. I was trying to find a way to keep my cat out of the bassinet before my daughter was born and stuck pieces of clear tape in rows on the mattress sticky side up. Close enough so she couldn't lay down with out laying on them. They were hard to see and when she jumped in they would stick to her and she would have to pull them off AND it worked with out her associating it with me walking in the room. It was a sort of self punishment. She quit getting in the bassinet and later the crib and has just recently started getting on the counters again after almost 7 years. I guess it's time to pull the tape back out to remind her. |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | And speaking of sinks, a buddy of mine used to say that his wife was one of the nastiest housekeepers that he ever saw. Everytime he went to pee in the sink it was always full of dirty dishes. |
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