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Location: Canton, GA | I recently purchased a 2004 Cherokee Tomahawk 3H slant with a Sierra LQ. When I bought it the gray water tank was already busted and needed to be replaced. I got the tank from my local Cherokee dealer and had an RV place install it. Good to go, right!? Got one camping trip out of it and was backing out of my vet's office the other day when I hit little ditch I didn't know was there. Now the sewage tank is busted and the gray water tank is leaking from the top. The gray tank might be fixable but the sewer tank will need to be replaced. My question is, with the clearance on these tanks only about 6", are there ANY other options??? Or should I just buy these dang tanks in bulk and learn to change them myself?!?! Thanks in advance for any input. |
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Location: Northern Utah | I feel for you. My project list includeds replacing the pipes coming out of my tanks. My tanks are OK, but I tore off the outlets and valves. My trailer had a light skid plat, But it also riped right off. So my project will include the design and welding on of a more substaintial skid plat. |
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Location: Texas | Does the tank hang down a long ways or does the whole trailer just ride really low? If it's the tanks then you should be able to find different tanks that won't hang so low. If it's the trailer riding low then I don't know what the answer is, maybe see if it can be raised a couple inches but I bet that means a lot more $$$$ to do that properly. |
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Location: western PA | Skid plates and blocking the axles are about the only options. I was able to relocate the dump valve on one of my tanks, saving a couple of inches. Some of the older tank designs sit lower than the new ones. Sometimes switching to a smaller tank will reduce its size and exposure. Being very aware of the clearance issue when you're driving is critical. I often have my wife check things when I'm parking the rig in an unknown area. This has saved our butts on several occasions. BOL Gard |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Watch where you are driving, those tanks arn't bullet proof? I guess that's another reason we don't have a LQ trailer.....Holding tanks, one less thing......Or is that two less things!!!! Good luck with your repairs.
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Location: Canton, GA | What really frosts me is that if it had been the left axle instead of the right, I would have been fine. The tanks are shallower on that side since the drains are on the right. *sigh* |
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Location: Canton, GA | Originally written by greyhorse on 2007-11-13 9:46 AM
Does the tank hang down a long ways or does the whole trailer just ride really low? If it's the tanks then you should be able to find different tanks that won't hang so low. If it's the trailer riding low then I don't know what the answer is, maybe see if it can be raised a couple inches but I bet that means a lot more $$$$ to do that properly. It's the tanks ... the trailer rides normally. I did adjust the hitch to bring the front end up a little since when I first hooked it up it wasn't level. Now it's nice and level but there just isn't much clearance under the tanks. I'm going to see if I can get smaller holding tanks that will give me more clearance. Too bad you can't put the poop on the roof! Gravity and all ... LOL |
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| That's the reason we're having ours blocked up by our dealer.Our roads around here are terrible,county doesn't have the foggiest how to bank a road ect. It will cost $350 to block it they've said. |
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Location: Canton, GA | Forgive my ignorance - what do you mean by blocked up? Does that raise the clearance of the entire trailer? I don't want to go up too much higher because it's already a decent step for the horses. |
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| My hubby put a skid plate of angle iron under ours to avoid the problem. A good welder could probably do it for you at a reasonable cost. |
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | Put an air ride system on it. Pump it up go down the road and lower it to load and unload horses, but you still will have to be concise of where you are driving. Long LQ's are not too forgiveing that is for sure. I have caught my steps 2 times. I haven't really done any damage other than me throughing a fit because I did it. |
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Location: Texas | What Spooler said will work too (air ride), that's what I have and I would drag everywhere if the air was down, with it up the only thing that I've ever bumped is the valves and that was an easy fix. The only problem is it's quite a bit of money.... worth it if you're going to keep the trailer for a long time in my opinion. |
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Location: Canton, GA | Quite a bit - as in how much, ballpark? |
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| I'm not trying to be smart altho it probably sounds like it,but,angle iron would just drag off the tank PLUS the angle iron around here,I'm not kidding you. |
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| Originally written by Felix on 2007-11-13 1:17 PM
Quite a bit - as in how much, ballpark? lPlenty more than blocking the axles,and I can't afford an air ride system. |
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Location: Chillicothe, Ohio | I know its too late for your trailer, but one thing to watch for when purchasing a lq is this very issue. Its never going to be perfect for a horse trailer because of the low clearance. The best option is to use the shallowest tank available and keep it as close to the axles as possible, that gives it the best likelyhood of survival. As the driver, you just really have to be aware of this issue and thats difficult when you are concentrating on everything else. With the newer taller (highend) trailers if I was building a lq I would raise the bath floor so I could get the tank up higher and still have ample capacity. |
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| When we were looking at new trailers recently we saw several with the bathroom up near the gooseneck which sets higher. The dealer said that is one reason why they do them so the tanks are not setting so low. |
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Location: Western WA | My skid plate works as it is supposed to. I guess if you really drug it deep it could do quite a bit of damage. But I've skimmed mine through gravel and over curbs and its fine. Logan puts a skid plate on at the factory, FYI. Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2007-11-13 1:06 PM
I'm not trying to be smart altho it probably sounds like it,but,angle iron would just drag off the tank PLUS the angle iron around here,I'm not kidding you. |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by Spooler on 2007-11-13 12:35 PM
Put an air ride system on it. Pump it up go down the road and lower it to load and unload horses, but you still will have to be concise of where you are driving. Long LQ's are not too forgiveing that is for sure. I have caught my steps 2 times. I haven't really done any damage other than me throughing a fit because I did it. Bump...Air suspension seems like a real good solution...if you can swallow the conversion costs...
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| Headhunter, I agree with you there. Our skid plate has worked for us in similar situations. The one reason why we installed it was because we ran over an aligator on a busy hwy which we could not avoid and that is what damaged the tank. Had we had the skid plate on then, it would have helped save our tank then. |
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Location: Chillicothe, Ohio | Saw the post about some of the newer trailers having the tanks mounted close to the gooseneck. That seems to me like the worst plact to mount them because when you pull over a small hump in the road or a curb the trailer would be more likely to drag at a point away from the tires. Of course if you have your trailer set up so its nose high that would help, plus the weight of the liquid in the tanks being close to truck would seem to be a concern. I like the idea of having the trailer on air rides but have never seen on set up with them. |
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| Originally written by headhunter on 2007-11-14 1:21 AM My skid plate works as it is supposed to. I guess if you really drug it deep it could do quite a bit of damage. But I've skimmed mine through gravel and over curbs and its fine. Logan puts a skid plate on at the factory, FYI. Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2007-11-13 1:06 PM
I'm not trying to be smart altho it probably sounds like it,but,angle iron would just drag off the tank PLUS the angle iron around here,I'm not kidding you. Exiss didn't,so,I'm having mine lifted. |
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| If it came from the factory,that's one thing,but to have something like that retrofitted,it would take an aluminum welder and a good one to weld on a skid plate or angle iron support.I'd rather just pay to have it lifted,probably costs about the same time it's all said and done. Aren't you sort of afraid of getting that hung up on something and be stuck there???I think I'd be. |
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| My husband is a certified welder, one of the best welders in our area and he does know what he is doing. It was done very professionally. My hubby is the type to do things right the first time and we had no problems with it. One time we had the side of our trailer blow off around the fender area because of a blow out and he repaired it, after the job was done you could not even tell that anything happened. So before you judge people about they way things are done maybe you should get the facts first. |
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Location: desert hills, az | classygirl98...I agree with you, any good welder could fit one correctly. Do you have any pictures of your skid plate so it would give me some ideas to give to my welder. My trailer is already lifted, but I woul dlike some exra protection. Thanks |
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| Listen,baby doll,I wasn't judging anybody here,before you get your cage rattled and your feathers ruffled.If you'll go back and read what I said,you will see that I said it would take an aluminum welder and a good one to do it right,and I was speaking about MY trailer and MY locale,not yours.I don't have the foggiest what kind of welder your husband is,and don't give a rip because,he wouldn't be the one doing the welding job on my trailer.Now,would he??????? Nobody said anything about your husband or his welding job,"classygirl." I'd say you're the one jumping to conclusions and judging people,and as for facts,the fact it: I'm already having my trailer fixed,and what happens to work for yours isn't going to work for mine.What's it to you if I have mine lifted and not welded???So what,who cares,in the giant scheme of things,will it make a difference 50 yrs from now when we're both pushing daisies and our trailers are on the scrap heap? I don't believe that it will. PS and if you'll go back and read it,once again,I was talking to another poster anyway.Have no idea where your idea came from that I was criticizing your husband's welding job or anybody else's.It wasn't even an issue here to begin with.
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| And couldn't help but notice in my thread about blocking the axles,you are the one that said you'd just upgraded to a bigger trailer,and it has been lifted. Gee,that's good.Now we'll both have a lifted trailer.I could use a few lifts myself,if you live long enough,so will you. |
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Location: Odenville, Alabama | Felix, raise that sucker up! If my horse wouldn't step up or down 6 or 8 inches, then I guess I didn't do a very good training job at trailer loading 101. And classygirl, CHILL OUT!! I went back through all the posts, and never saw where you may have stated your husband welded on your skid plate,( you did say "he put one on", hell for all I know maybe it was bolted on ) until you cracked all over Crowleysridgegirl like she was insulting your husbands profession or something. I'd hate to get that skid plate hung up on a stump or root or something. |
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Location: Chillicothe, Ohio | Whoa partners,,life's too short for all this arguing and throwing daisys..ha ha.... remember the good old days when all we had was a f100 and a steel stock trailer? Then we didnt have to worry about tanks, toilets and all that...used the pit toilets, slept in a tent, cooked over a coleman and thought we were having a great time...we were. This horse business has come a long way and gotten alfull fancy. But in the end, the best time is when your in the saddle. Lets not forget what we are all about. |
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| Well,I just didn't feel like I'd said anything wrong about anybody or what they do for a living,hobby,ect. I've had StageII Breast cancer and a year's treatment for it,so,I say that because: I can ASSURE you that: I haven't forgotten what we're all about. And it ain't 'all about' horseback riding,either.It's what comes after the "pushing up daisies" that matters,you know? As the guy said to Vern,(forgot his name,) "Ya know what I mean?" "I think you do!"
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| Poor old Felix is left sitting back there in the dust,thinking,"What the H---????" HA HA"! Sorry,Felix. Had OUR trailer blocked up by the dealer.You might want to check into that,or into angle iron (that's if you have a steel trailer you know) or a skid plate. Whatever floats whoever's boat. |
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Location: Canton, GA | Who you callin' old? ;) I run a horse message board so y'all don't scare me :) I have a couple of things to look into and will do so ASAP. In the meantime I have a call into the dealer to see if they have smaller-capacity tanks that might offer more clearance. If not, I'll ask around about some of the suggestions I've gotten here. It's an aluminum trailer. Our other trailer is a 20' Featherlite stock, so our horses are used to being able to turn around and walk off. During the summer months we trailer 6 horses in the stock trailer at least 3x a week so they load and unload on that like pros. However, they've been a little dodgy about backing off through the narrow door with the rear tack. They're getting a lot better, though, with practice. They do seem to like the dividers once they get in there :) I know I just need to be careful. I shouldn't have been running my mouth to my friend when I hit that ditch. ;) Guess I learned a lesson there. Thanks for all the advice everyone. Felix
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| Sorry,how about "Poor Felix,old me left her sitting back there in the dust bla bla"?
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Location: Canton, GA | Whatever floats your boat. And for the record, I'm a she :)Felix |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by Felix on 2007-11-15 11:51 PM
Whatever floats your boat. And for the record, I'm a she :)Felix As for ANY OTHER OPTIONS? Stay at a Holiday Inn Express and give up this mad carefree idea of sleeping with your horses... |
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| Well,whoda thought that???Sorry again,girl!!! I went back and fixed it.
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Location: Western WA | I am guessing your question was directed at me since I'm the one with the factory installed skid plate. I should clarify the skid plate is only under the dump valves, not the tanks, but my tanks sit level with my running boards on my trailer, and there is angle iron under the tanks which would somewhat protect them. The valve skid plate is the lowest point on my trailer. Its on the drivers side and it is what I keep my eye on when going over any uneven ground, railroad tracks, or a hump/bump in the road. And when I am in a situation where I feel like I need to keep an eye on it, I go VERY slowly, so not too worried about getting hung up. I probably overthink things, but I won't take my trailer someplace that might be a challenge to maneuver unless I know I have a way out or a place to turn around. Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2007-11-14 2:21 PM If it came from the factory,that's one thing,but to have something like that retrofitted,it would take an aluminum welder and a good one to weld on a skid plate or angle iron support.I'd rather just pay to have it lifted,probably costs about the same time it's all said and done. Aren't you sort of afraid of getting that hung up on something and be stuck there???I think I'd be.
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Location: Western WA | For anybody who is interested, here is a picture of my skid plate from the last time we had this discussion thread back in August: http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/get-attachment.asp?attachmentid=353 |
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| Actually I was talking about having aluminum welded onto aluminum,and those welders with those skills are about as scarce as hen's teeth around here,but I see what you mean.We don't take our trailer into tight areas that we can't get out of either.Sometimes up in the hills in campgrounds,just driving from one "tier" up to the next will bring the backend down really on the ground.My husband was going down from the top level of a camp to the bottom at Ava,MO ,and he drug the back portion,no damage,but lots of mud and dirt (fortunately it had rained all week.) It is the configuration,if you will,of our particular county road that we have to come off the highway onto where we live that made us decide to go for the lift kit.Thanks and it's a good idea.(skid plate) also.
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Location: Odenville, Alabama | Thanks for the picture headhunter. That's not what I invisioned when "skid plate" was mentioned. I like that! |
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Location: Grapeland, Texas | This isn't a fix for Felixs' problem but, I know some people that had a trailer made for them. They go all over the country on trail rides in all sorts of terrain and have drug off many tanks. On the trailer they special ordered they have the tanks in a subfloor, I think that is how you would describe it. The tanks are completely enclosed so they can't be drug off. It makes the trailer a good bit taller, no worse than a fifth wheel I would think. It is one of those $150,000 plus trailers.
I have a Hart and the tanks are shallow enough that they don't hang down much below the supports. So far I haven't had any problems (knock on wood) and I have taken it through some pretty rough stuff. I just make sure to take it real slow. |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | I think when I finally do my trailer I am going to build the tanks into the floor. When the door is open there is about a 5 inch step so I think I will build up the floor and have the tanks inside. They won't drag that way unless I rip out the whole bottom of the trailer. It will also make it easier to sweep all the dirt out. |
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