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 Location: Carson City, MI | I have never really sold a horse before and need some help getting her down the road. She is a super, super nice horse. I would love to keep her but lack of time and $$$$ (I live in Michigan) forces sale. I have reduced her price to $2000.00. It's pretty much giving her away and still no responce. She is on www.dreamhorse.com (search for her name, "Shocking Little Diva"). She has all the experience in the world and has even been shown. Safe for kids, husband rider, etc. What am I doing wrong? Shes pretty, a nice mover, quite, and never taken a lame step. If anyone has some ideas or knows of anyone looking, please help! Thanks |
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         Location: South Central OK | The "come see her and bring your trailer" makes me think twice. It looks like you are not proud of her bloodlines, fill them in! (Broodmares are only worth what's on those papers to some breeders.) I'd take another picture of her and groom her up like a show horse and pose her so that she looks to be worth a million bucks. Marketing her as a SERIOUS trail horse isn't going to work in my opinion because shes got four white feet. I think you need to target the weekend warrior youth show market for a fast sale. She's small but that won't go against you if you can show she is nicer than larger horses. You should register her or mention that she is elligible to be registered Pinto. Pinto clubs in that area are more active and you may find by taking her to a show and riding her around that someone might ask if she's for sale. If not then go and post a flyer about her at the Pinto shows...with the right photo and exposure she'll fly off your hands. (It's an unwritten rule that you never take side on shots unless it's for a registry...it's like the equine equivalent to a driver's license photo!)
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    Location: Memphis, TN | Huntseats Advce is right on. Take a new pic, maybe even all tacked up and lose the FIRM after the price. If you need 2K ask 2500. One of my boarders just sold a horse for half of the asking....she had to go...just like you ad says. I am sure she is a nice horse, good luck. |
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   Location: West Coast | I agree with what others have said, I would saddle her up in your nicest saddle, Najavo and bridle. Then I would take a picture of her from something other than a side angle. Since she is kid safe, maybe take the picture with a child sitting on her. And I agree fill in her entire pedigree. If she has good feet, I wouldn't worry about marketing her as a trail horse with four white feet. My paint gelding has four white feet and his hoof walls are thick and hard, he's got great feet, it just depends on the horse. If she doesn't have good feet then it may be hard to market her as a trail horse. Good luck, I hope she sells soon. :)
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    Location: PA | I think your horse is adorable! She has a kind look to her and she is very well groomed. I actually like the side pose photo without a saddle because I can see her conformation better. I have no problem with the 4 white feet because that is an old cowboy's tale. I have a 4 white legged Sonny Dee Bar bred gelding who has the best feet in the barn and my farrier, who happens to be well known nationally, says that weak feet have nothing to do with the color of them. I actually had a dark footed horse a few years back that had the thinnest walls I've ever seen. I had to keep him in steel shoes or his feet would just break up. I really think that there is one thing wrong with your ad. You state that your mare is safe for a kid or husband, even a beginner, and that nothing bothers her. But you have her temperment as a "3" on a scale of 1 - 10. I have been looking for a horse for a friend that has to be bomb proof and I always steer away from anything over a "2". I actually put that in my advanced search on that site. If your horse IS bomb proof, rate it "1". Other than that, I like the ad. On the negative side, from the side profile I can see that she has high hocks which tells me that she cannot drive well up under herself and that she probably isn't a really great mover. She would be great for open and 4H but not do really well in breed shows, like Huntseat suggested. Maybe a youth could have some fun with her though. However, you are marketing her as a super trail horse though and you give lots of good info about her experiences with that. Her price, in my area, would be a bargain. I would like to know who trained her.
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 Location: Carson City, MI | I will have to update the picture. She is clean in the picture, we are in a showmanship class at a fun show. Also her feet are flawless, no cracks or lines and she doesn't even have on shoes! I think it's only 10.00 for a new pic so I will do that. Thanks, Megan |
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   Location: Danielsville Georgia | Try some LOCAL publications.I'm about done with Equine.com and Dreamhorse.Can run ads in them,get a lot of e/mails and on HOT list etc.and thats it.Run same ad in Stable Mates,Market bulliten etc.and they sell in a few weeks with good SERIOUS phone calls/lookers etc. Try AIG DIRECT.I've had LOTS of success off $10.00 ads on AIG DIRECT in a few weeks then I ever have had off Dreamhorse Or Equine.com in a few years.
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| Unless you may be referring to the fact that she wouldn't be smooth because she is Paint registry eligible,I really don't get the four white feet/serious trail horse thing. My Missouri foxtrotter trail mare is black/white tobiano with four white legs and feet.OK,her feet are two toned.But her feet are excellent.That is an old adage. It depends on breeding,environment,and other factors besides just the color of the hooves. |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | Not sure what you mean, I put serious trails because she has done more then just walk thru the woods. We have had to cross rushing streams, untraveled territory, swim across a small pond, nothing that most people consider "trail ridding" on groomed trails. My husband has a nice cow horse so we have to keep up with him. My old show mare back at the barn couldn't do it so It was up to Paris. Should I change my wording on this too? Two people have asked about it now since this post..... |
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         Location: South Central OK | Hav2ride, I didn't quite get the line in your post about her not doing well in breed shows...I hope you understood I was talking about open/4-H/Pinto shows as her price point would have already indicated. (I don't think her hocks are high in relation to her back length and hip angles. But this is a moot point on a mare not destined for tough breed shows.) I only mentioned the 4 white feet because people will shy away from her as a trail horse. There are people that still think white feet are bad for really rough terrain. (It's their money and they are allowed to think how they want.) Groom her up really well and shine that coat until you need sunglasses(a coat of Peppy or oily fly spray should work.) I'd find some nice silver tack, even if it's borrowed, and snap those photos ASAP. The end of summer is coming and the market will turn stale as the temperature drops. You might also look into putting her into a nice auction. Not the kind that killers frequent but a nice sale known for quality stock. You might not get exactly what you want but it's done and over in a day. |
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| Originally written by huntseat on 2007-07-19 11:49 PM You might also look into putting her into a nice auction. Not the kind that killers frequent but a nice sale known for quality stock. You might not get exactly what you want but it's done and over in a day. I had thought that all slaughterhouses were now closed? |
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   Location: Maine | You've got to market her EVERYWHERE. Try Equine.com, horsetopia.com, horseclassified.com Do you have some a Cooperative extension in your area, they could put you in touch with various 4H clubs. People are always looking for TRULY kid safe horses. Look for "local' horse boards like: michigan-horse.com I noticed you changed your ad, using some of the suggestions posted here. That should help. But I did notice that you still haven't filled in all the info on her bloodlines. You also say for her age UNK 2002 - if she's got papers, you should have her exact DOB - the classified ad form lets you choose a month, at least. Did you mean to say she's reg Pinto, not paint? Good luck, she sounds like a real nice horse. |
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   Location: Maine | My friend found that when she was trying to sell her sweet AQHA filly, she wasn't getting any lookers when she listed her at $2K - when she raised the price to $3500 she got a lot of responses and did finally sell her at the higher price. Some people search in a particular price range, and won't consider something under $XXXX - it's silly I know, but a price tag that reflects her true value is always better than under-pricing her. People might think "OK, what's wrong with this horse?" Definitely get another picture, too. Showing her moving at a trot with a young rider. I don't want to sound "Stuffy" and I am far from an expert, but the picture you have up there isn't the greatest. Try to get something that shows her best conformational features. Especially if you are trying to market her as a broodmare. Those potential buyers will be looking for how well put together she is and how she moves. Sometimes those of us who LOVE paints and other color breeds, just look at the pretty color and overlook the more important aspects. JMHO - |
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    Location: PA | Huntseat, I thought you were refering to breed shows, not open/4H. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I feel her hocks are higher than her knees but she does have a nice top line. She's very cute for the money! |
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  Location: Illinois | I can tell you that a picture showing her in tack would help. I've been pouring over sites for awhile just looking. If I see one without saddle, I assume it isn't broke, or broke very well. It may be far from the truth, but a picture tells a thousand words. I'm NOT a show horse person, only trailriding. I think your descripton is good, and she's a pretty mare. I also don't buy into the white thing. I have a bay with dark feet, he's the biggest tender foot I have!!! Color of feet doesn't guarantee soundness or tough feet. My big Appy had striped feet, they stayed nice (no cracks or chipping), but he was a tenderfoot too. Had to keep shoes on him to road ride. Also, it's a tough market! Prices are down, and people are picky about buying. Good horses are still worth good money. |
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| Originally written by appy4me on 2007-07-22 9:51 AM " Good horses are still worth good money." You are right about that. I have a friend who is a learned horsewoman who says horses are going to cost you when you buy one,either: in the original price,or to pay for training time,or in hospital bills.You get what you pay for often times than not. Edited by crowleysridgegirl 2007-07-22 8:47 PM
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    Location: michigan | I have a friend thats in the market for a first horse but they want to spend about 500 bucks. I am trying to tell them there is always a reason a horse would be cheap. Could you PM me with your phone number and location- we are also in Mi. This could be a great horse for their daughter............ |
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   Location: Danielsville Georgia | The magic figure used here in this part of Georgia is $1500 from a well bred yearling to a nice riding well bred 2 y.o. |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | My number is 989-763-8767. I'm located in Carson City, MI about 45 min north of Lansing. I would also consider a payment arrangement as I know it's tough to come up with that amount of money in Michigan right now. Banks don't offer horse loans.... LOL |
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      Location: Missouri | I hate to be a bubble burster, but. When reasonably trained quarter stock are selling regularly as trail horses for less than $1000.00, getting twice that requires something extra special. The extra special is usually training. If your expecting to get that kind of money the horse needs to be really well trained. And geldings are usually bring more money than untested mares. Tried and proven brood stock will command a higher price, but I don't see this horse as fitting that category.
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 Location: Carson City, MI | Well thank you for posting your negative views on my horse, you would think that you have ridden her! I asked for help, not to be talked down. I grew up on the circuit and finished top twenty in 2004. I know a nice horse when I see one. She is broke, has had over 4 months of professional training and I continue to ride her almost daily. I work my horses, mommy and daddy never bought me one or paid for fancy trainers. Maybe you didn't notice where I wrote about our show experience. We have never not won a showmanship class and never placed less then 3rd in trail. I understand it's not a breed show but there are some tough open circuits around here. She may not be what you are looking for but you could at least have a little respect. Shes safe, quite, well breed and ready to go. Way to much horse for $2500.00 but thats just how it is right now. You will make your money back on one foal out of her. Again thanks for your encouragement and help, it was just what I asked for. |
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  Location: Illinois | Good horses are still worth good money.
I'll stick to that!
My dream horse is 3800.00, I don't have the money for that right now, but if I did, he'd be in my pasture.
Your mare is gorgeous, and trained nicely to boot. I wouldn't bat an eye at your price. How much is an ambulance ride these days?
In my area, a nice trail horse can't be found under 1000.00, guess I don't look around much??
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   Location: Maine | I can say for sure that here in Maine you would be hard-pressed to find truly sane, safe and sound trail horse for under $1000 - Sure, an occasional "diamond in the rough" pops up here and there, but decent, desirable horses in this area, for the most part, start around $1500 and most smart people are willing to spend up to $2500 for an "average" - but safe, sane, and sound - trail horse.
dmgrinnell, I don't think anyone meant to insult you or your horse. But when you post on these boards you are apt to hear things you might not want to hear. Remember, these people are simply offering their opinions - you asked - they responded. Some are just more tactful than others. She is a pretty mare, and my untrained eye sees nothing that stands out as "wrong" with your horse, but that's based on one picture. We can't see her move and you asked for help based on the information you supplied. |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | My sister got in an accident last Friday and rode three blocks the hospital in the ambulance. It was $1600.00 and we are county employees (Fire/EMS) so it was discounted... Lol, she is fine, just has a lot of back problems so we couldn't be to carefull.
I would really like to keep her. Shes pretty cute and so easy. I have an older mare however who is now 17. I would like to retire her at 20 and have a couple foals. First, I would like to go to worlds one more time! That is why I'm going to sell Paris and put that money towards the world show. It will be awhile before I will have a horse ready to go again.
People are just as serious about trail ridding as showing and it seems like they too will pay the money for a proven trail horse. I think your search is close!
My dream horse would be $150,000.00. I would want it to lay down to get on.... Then lope as slow and true as can be with no effort or training. Yeah, that would be perfect! I might have to get a second mortgage
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      Location: Missouri | You want to sell the mare. She has been for sale on Dream Horse for almost 3 months and still for sale. Here is what I see. One, she is not a "show stopper" color. She is bald faced. A lot of folks don't like baldies. You say "Never been breed and doesn't have a noticable heat" and "You will make your money back on one foal out of her". You don't know what kind of a producer she is and from your statement, don't really know if she has ever come in season. Promoting her as brood stock in this manner, only reduces her saleability. If you don't know, don't say anything about it.
Four months of training and some show experience does not make a well trained, trail horse. Your best bet at selling her, based on what we see sell, is training. Will she side pass, half pass, back well? Can she be ridden with and without a bridle or halter? Will she follow well on the trail? Will she lead well? Can she follow a trail? How is she with spooks? How are her gaits, and does she take her leads well? Does she have an easy walk, trot and canter?
If she is registered you should have her actual DOB. Showing it as "UNK" doesn't help promote her as breeding stock. Show her complete pedigree.
If you have a good horse to sell, you have to tell the readers why she is worth what your asking.
Leave out what you don't know. Don't raise questions that are not already there.
Leave out priced to sell, that raises the question"what's wrong" Buyers are not interested in why she is named the way she is.
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   Location: Danielsville Georgia | I have had nice colts,nice well trained mares and geldings on Dreamhorse and Equine.com that the ad ran for a YEAR without one inquiry.Left them on there and had SOLD them many many moons before eaither on Ag Direct or LOCAL publications.I don't have a whole lot of faith in selling off Dreamhorse.Some might but I'd sure like to see referances from those two big sites. As far as backing/side passiing etc.I agree with you to a point.Most of the riders I've sold to hadn't a CLUE to proper riding and I've heard many times that the horse was OVERTRAINED.A good SAFE pretty horse is what most are looking for or at least thats the impression wife and get from the tire kickers that come through our place.
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    Location: michigan | The problem is- there are LOTS of horses within the 1000-3000 price range- most are nice, well mannered but just not super stars, the horses that have bloodlines in demand and the overall quality to win where-ever you go. Even 4-H shows are highly competetive let alone large open or breed shows. I have two horse in my barn that I wouldn't let go for less than 7500 bucks BUT the market would tell me otherwise. There can be a big difference in what we think our horses are worth ( we are emotionally biased) and what someone else is willing to pay ( just look at auction results) To be realistic, we have to be very honest with ourselves and thats hard to do. |
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| I wouldn't payany amount of $ for a reasonably trained "quarter" stock TRAIL horse when I could have a good gaited trail horse for the same amount of money and enjoy myself while riding too. |
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| Originally written by dmgrinnell on 2007-07-24 8:40 AM Well thank you for posting your negative views on my horse, you would think that you have ridden her! I asked for help, not to be talked down. Yeah! That's right,girl. |
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         Location: South Central OK | It takes lots for me to step-in on this type of thing but here goes... Bob (bbsmfg3) it seems you are confused between criticism and constructive criticism, for it is the latter than has been requested.
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   Location: Danielsville Georgia | There are LOTS of horses on the Dreamhorse site.Thats another reason to advertise local.Even the old fashion NEWSPAPER. |
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    Location: michigan | I would agree with advertising local. I don't know if I'd drive many hours and ship a horse for 2000 bucks unless it was really REALLY special........ |
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  Location: Illinois | I wouldn't payany amount of $ for a reasonably trained "quarter" stock TRAIL horse when I could have a good gaited trail horse for the same amount of money and enjoy myself while riding too. (quote) Where? The "good gaited trail horses" in my area are 2X what the stock types are. Are they better? Some maybe are, some not. I like both, gaited and stock. I'd buy what my wallet afforded and my mind likes. I think the OP was just asking about the market and what she needed to do to sell this mare. Guess we all have opinons.
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   Location: Urbana,MD | If I see a well trained horse going at that price..I wonder what is wrong with it.That is cheap for a good horse in my area.I also have a horse on dream horse now and it has had 400 hits. |
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| Yes I know that.And I wasn't talking to her,either.I PM'd her to let her know that.I was talking about another's post.And,it wasn't yours as I recall either. |
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  Location: Illinois | Crowley: I meant no offense by my post. I know you have great gaited horses (we've PM'd), I just don't see lots of them up here. Stock types are more common, so easier to afford (supply/demand). If I said something "off", I apologize. I meant no offense to anyone. I also think it depends on your perspective, what I call cheap and you all cheap may be worlds apart. Again, sorry for confusion. |
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| That's OK.Guess I was just shoooting off my mouth because I saw a really ugly reply on another thread (not horses) that some people had made to this innocent well meaning person,and I'd just finished firing off about that.Didn't mean to come off like a smart alec.I do that a lot. Horse market is down here,also.We've also got a really nice horse for sale on Dreamhorse with only about one possibly good sounding response to our ad.He is an excellent well bred blue papered (in the MFTHBA that is 4 generations back of registered sires/dams) gelding that has had professional trail training in the Missouri Ozarks,and will handle just about whatever you want to put him through on a trail.But,hay is scarce,prices down,and we may not be able to sell him.Because we're not giving him away,that's for sure.I understand this girl's dilemma,things are tough and there are a lot of horses out there. Yeah,I've seen lots of gaited horses that sure weren't trail horses,too,and would jar your teeth out as if you were riding some quarter stock that isn't smooth.Not all quarter stock is rough riding,either.Gaited just seems to be the preference where we ride,is all I meant.Probably not the case elsewhere,but,we ride where else,in the Missouri Ozarks.So that's what we're going to see the most of there on trails. |
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   Location: Danielsville Georgia | My Qtr stock has consistantly brought more money than our Tobi walking horses.Qtr stud fees are higher,also. |
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      Location: Southern New Mexico | I have Quarter horses and Apps and I trail ride AND I enjoy them. For me the whole point is not to race down the trail or keep up with the "crowd", but to relax with my family. Someone else wants to go fast, fine, good for them, they can go around. You wouldn't pay for a non gated horse, I wouldn't pay for a gated one. To each his own. |
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  Location: Illinois | Terri: I agree 100% with you. I like to "smell the roses" too. I have only had Apps/QH all my 39 years! Ok, one shetland pony in the mix too:-) BUT, I will have to defend the gaited ones too. I'm so impressed to see gaited trail horses going along the trail. To me, the biggest thing is that you have to ask yourself "what breed is that?" When I find myself asking that question, that's a great horse, regardless of breed. What I see in gaited that impresses me is when they can walk along with my QH's and when they want to, gait off nicely!! Love em both (stock/gaited) A good horse is a good horse, regardless of breed. Up in northern Illinois where Im at, they like to see how fast they can go, that turns off lots of people. Down south, they ride really nice!!!! THAT ISN'T always true, just my opinion! |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | Thanks very much for all the help! Someone saw the add and liked that she was quite, of color, and had so much TB in her. She is a pony hunter jumper trainer and wants something safe for her to ride when she takes the kids for trail rides. Something that if she had to take over one of the kids horses they would be safe to ride. She also may use her for lessons and is thinking of getting into western pleasure. She didn't want a pony but didn't want a large horse as she is very small. So it was perfect, she jumped on her bareback, rode her around in a rope halter and fell in love. Thanks again for the help. Megan |
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  Location: Illinois | Yeah!!! She's sold??
Happy for both of you! She is a nice mare, sounds like she'll have a good home.
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| Originally written by Terri on 2007-07-28 10:34 AM I have Quarter horses and Apps and I trail ride AND I enjoy them. For me the whole point is not to race down the trail or keep up with the "crowd", but to relax with my family. Someone else wants to go fast, fine, good for them, they can go around. You wouldn't pay for a non gated horse, I wouldn't pay for a gated one. To each his own. We don't race down any trails on gaited horses.Not the gaited breeds we ride.Others riding rackers,ect.may do that,and that's the way they like to ride on trails,we don't.We relax with our friends and family when we ride,too,and we're not going full blast while we're doing it.We can just do so without getting our teeth jarred out,is all. |
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      Location: Southern New Mexico | My horses don't "jar your teeth out". Well maybe my 3yr old, but I just started riding him and he sometimes gets tense under saddle. Once he starts to relax he is pretty smooth. |
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| That's good.As I said in an earlier post,there are smooth riding Quarter Horses,and some Apps are gaited.And,not all gaited horses are smooth by any means.I've seen ones with top breeding in several gaited breed associations that look rough riding,and,their riders obviously aren't getting a good ride. But we ride Missouri Foxtrotters,and most other riders that ride MFT's aren't hurrying down the trail.I do see people riding trails on racking horses,tho,that are obviously ridden in a show ring most of the time,and can't imagine why they want to rack through the woods dodging limbs and working like a fool watching every step their horses take,just to stay on them. I've ridden Quarter myself.I just prefer gaited especially in my years of age,because I have to have a really smooth horse,and find most Quarter horse riders we have ridden with just can't keep up over a long ride.Our gaited horses naturally outwalk them at a flatfoot walk.I don't see much about gaited horses on this forum. No offense,Terri.You and I just tell it like it is. |
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