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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | The scammers really aren't hard to figure out - once you are aware of how they work. This email exchange I had with a scammer should help you spot them. Enjoy yourself, (read from the bottom of the following thread) as I email "Roy" and ask him about his trailer for sale. My final reply. Roy did not answer these last comments I made. Hi Roy, (or whatever your name is) I thought your story sounded fishy too. But it wasn't a waste of time. I wanted to be able to show everyone on Horse Trailer World (and the internet) the way you decieve and steal from people by using fake ads and lies. I also took careful note of the telephone numbers you used, how you got them, and I reported it all to the FBI including your various names, IP Computer addresses and the servers you are emailing from. I've already tracked people who you have stolen credit cards from and even a couple from Nebraska who sent you $1,000 and never heard from you again. I don't like your requests either, Roy, and I liked them even less when I heard your voice on the phone speaking in a middle eastern accent and it was clear you knew nothing about horses, trailers or honesty. Your family would not be proud of you.
It seems to me like you are wasting my time and you dont want to buy any trailer.... this whole story seems very fishy to me.
i really dont like your requests... what i ask you to send me a picture with you sister holding the money you have to give me for the trailer.
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>I wanted to use Western Union but my sister lives near a Moneygram office, just three blocks from the pawn shop where she sold her wedding china. Now the missing plates on the hutch make a perfect place for her to hang your picture. She told me that if she were trading her wedding china for cash to buy the trailer from you, the least we could do is give her your picture to hang where the china used to be displayed. I will wait for your picture. I love my sister and this seems minor compared to the sacrifice she made for me. She won't send money without a picture of you.
I`m not at home now and i cant take the picture.
also, you said you will send it thru western union not moneygram... which way you will do it?
i need the deposit today...
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>My sister pawned her china and is going to the Moneygram office later. I'm sure glad for the tail hooks and the set of trailer skis for this winter. I'm sure glad I found someone I can trust. This is just too good of a deal to pass up. My sister said if she is loaning me the downpayment the least we can do is give her a picture of the trailer with the nice man standing in front of it before she sends you the money. Can you send me a picture of the trailer with you standing in fron of it? We really appreciate your eagerness to arrange this great buy and your picture would mean alot to us. I told her to wait on the Moneygram and I would get a picture for her first. Thanks!
As you said, we have talk on the phone and thru email. You will send the money to my name and address and there will no problems. Once i have the deposit i will keep the trailer for you and meet you at the end of the month.
Let me know once you send it.
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>Excellent. This sounds like some kinda trailer. There are so many scams out there, I worry about sending my money to some scam artist I've never talked to. But you and I have talked by phone so I feel ok. My kids and I are poor, my wife passed last March, and this trailer will likely be home for us till we can afford to build another house to replace the one that burned down over Christmas. My sister said she would sell her wedding china and send the moneygram to you for deposit. Are you sure this is legitimate? I can't stand the thought of another heart break. The trailer looks really nice.
i have both skis for the trailer
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>Thanks. I'm from North Dakota and the snowy roads make for bumpy rides in the winter. It's not unusual to remove the tires and use the new "trailer skis" several times a day. It's unusual to find a trailer this far south with the optional "ski ride". Do you have both left and right skis sets for the Sooner/Sunlite?
The trailer has tail hooks to keep the horses steady and manure bags are included..
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>Ok. And just to make sure. This trailer has tail hooks right? To keep the horses steady during transport? And manure bags so I don't have to clean the floor? Thanks. Let me know about these things. They are important to me.
i`m ok with that....we will meet on 30th May.
you will have to send me the deposit today...let me know
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>I can meet you in Jackson FL on May 30. I drive 2000 miles and you only have to drive 200 miles.
on the phone we talk that you have to send me a deposit before i delive the trailer to you
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>What deposit?
any news on the deposit?
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>Same name and address at Western Union?
Western Union is also better... if you know western union send the deposit thru western union...ok?
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>I'm only familiar with Western Union.
This is the address where i`m staying in Miami...
Do you know how moneygram works?
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>Is this your ranch?
My name is Roy Kesting and my address is:
2967 BISCAYNE BLVD
MIAMI, FL 33137
This is all you need at moneygram.
Dont have the serial number with me now but i will send it to you later
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>I'm in Kansas. 913-***-****
where do you live and how much can you pay for the trailer?
Dave Mattern wrote: <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=GENERATOR>Call me. I'm interested in your trailer. Dave Mattern
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Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey | I keep trying to get one of these scammers to meet me at the jackpot roping on Saturday mornings, man could we have some fun with him there. |
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Location: Red Wing, MN | Dave...that is hilarious! wish I had known abuot that ski option when I bought my trailer this spring! ha! |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | I love it!! I think you may have come up with a good idea though, manure bags. I wonder if someone could really figure out how to make something like that. |
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Location: MO | The 'trailer skiis' are a great idea 'specially if you don't have the 'manure bag' option. You could ski over all the manure.
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | Need to hang him up by his Buster Browns as my granny always said. |
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Location: NY | Let us know what happen with the FBI that is great scammer we all are on to you!! |
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Location: Wyoming | OMG! Dave you are AWESOME! Keep us posted. .....trailer skis....LOL |
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Location: Coconut Creek, FL | I love it when the scammers get scammed!! I had several inquire about the trailer I had for sale and they are sooo easy to recognize - they always ask what the mileage is... yeah right... |
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| Great job Dave,Roy was so worried about getting his deposit wired,That is usually a good sign of danger.I had them tell me they wanted my trailer and if I was selling it for $8,000.00 they wanted to send a cashiers check for $11,000.00 and I was to wire the other $3,000.00 to their shipper.Then the fun starts.I tell them I can ship to them cheaper and they always have a fast comeback.It's the same old routine.I was suprised you even had a change to talk to them on the phone,usually never do |
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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | Originally written by bowhunter70 on 2007-05-16 11:58 AM Great job Dave,Roy was so worried about getting his deposit wired,That is usually a good sign of danger.I had them tell me they wanted my trailer and if I was selling it for $8,000.00 they wanted to send a cashiers check for $11,000.00 and I was to wire the other $3,000.00 to their shipper.Then the fun starts.I tell them I can ship to them cheaper and they always have a fast comeback.It's the same old routine.I was suprised you even had a change to talk to them on the phone,usually never do Good point. The phone contact was NEVER an option in the past scams. They are refining their scams. They rent untraceable phone numbers by the dozens and take your message. Then they call you back on an unlisted or bogus phone. |
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Location: Texas | Originally written by bowhunter70 on 2007-05-16 11:58 AM
Great job Dave,Roy was so worried about getting his deposit wired,That is usually a good sign of danger.I had them tell me they wanted my trailer and if I was selling it for $8,000.00 they wanted to send a cashiers check for $11,000.00 and I was to wire the other $3,000.00 to their shipper.Then the fun starts.I tell them I can ship to them cheaper and they always have a fast comeback.It's the same old routine.I was suprised you even had a change to talk to them on the phone,usually never do
I do not understand this scam. If the cashier's check is good, what is the problem? What am I not understanding, here?
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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | Cashiers Checks used to be good, because your bank had to create them after verfiying you had enough money to cover the check. Now, with computers in our homes and neat printers, anyone can "create" a cashier's check. Even the banks don't know they are bad, till they deposit them and nothing happens. |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by Terri on 2007-05-15 6:46 PM I love it!! I think you may have come up with a good idea though, manure bags. I wonder if someone could really figure out how to make something like that. Well, we in the draft horse community already have them...for parades...the marching bands and gymnasts used to hate to be behind hitches, before we started using them... http://www.bunbag.com/ |
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Location: Monroe, WA | Originally written by DaveM on 2007-05-16 1:25 PM
Cashiers Checks used to be good, because your bank had to create them after verfiying you had enough money to cover the check. Now, with computers in our homes and neat printers, anyone can "create" a cashier's check. Even the banks don't know they are bad, till they deposit them and nothing happens. What makes this particular type of scam even MORE dangerous (to us good guys, anyhow) is that under the law, YOU are responsible for the funds the bank pays out of that supposed deposit - when the "cashiers check" bounces, guess what! YOU get to cover the money. There's no recourse, and a lot of good people have gotten burned on this type of thing.I actually got TWO bogus cashiers checks when I put my car up for sale - both from Great Britain, both supposedly drawn on US banks - one in North Dakota :) One for only $5500 over the asking price of the car, one for $7800 over - and of course the knotheads wanted me to return good hard American dollars for that "overage", and by unretrievable, untraceable Western Union. Yeah, RIGHT!!Bottom line - if it sounds too good to be true, it very likely is! Caveat Emptor.Kate |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | Interesting, but what if a mares gotta pee? That's gotta be messy to clean up!! |
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Location: Texas | On the cashier's check deal, just tell them you will have to wait until the check clears. That would work, right?
Basically, when I do a deal, it is done the old fashioned way: In person with MONEY. I guess that is why I am unfamiliar with these scam ideas. Anybody unwilling to do business that way doesn't need my money very bad.
Another advantage to the "in person" deal is that I can inspect the condition of the tail hooks, manure bags, and skis. If the skis don't have the friction brake, I don't want the trailer. The stopping distance of the snowmobile I use to pull the trailer is increased too much. |
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Location: Lockport, Illinois | Dave, When did you realize that you were talking to a scammer? Was it when he responded to the tail hooks, manure bags, or the trailer skis for the Sooner/Sunlilte. You are the mastermind behind this great website, but don't you know that the only trailer that offers tail hooks, manure bags, and trailer skis is the Blue Moon trailer, and they come standard not optional. This year besides the optional convertible top over the horse area, they are offering a system like the Nascar trailers, where there is a lift for the horses to go to the second floor, and with the basement they offered last year, what will they think of next (a hot tub for the horses to relieve muscle aches) For everyone that doesn't remember what an old Blue Moon trailer looks like go to post #38737, remember that these photos are of a trailer that is two years old, the new ones are more spacious. |
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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | I knew he was a scammer from his ad. Every scammer ad is way underpriced. That's why people send scammers a deposit and forget common sense. The scammers depend on greed. |
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Location: MS | I do believe this is another scam... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=116402 The exact same trailer is on eBay... http://cgi.ebay.com/2003-Classic-Horse-Trailer-with-Living-Quarters_W0QQitemZ170111725144QQihZ007QQcategoryZ73934QQcmdZViewItem I tried to notify fraud@horsetrailerworld.com, but it came back as a delivery failure. |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | That has to be a scam. Ethel Rosenberg was sent to the gas chamber back in the 50's for treason. She and her husband were convicted for giving top secret data on the H-bomb to Russia. That in turn helped Russia to develop their own H-bomb. |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by Terri on 2007-05-16 3:31 PM
Interesting, but what if a mares gotta pee? That's gotta be messy to clean up!! Well on parade days...we provide unlimited water AFTER the parade...and yes...it can be messy...that's why they invented rubber gloves...and pressure washers!!! |
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Location: Texas | Originally written by Longrider on 2007-05-17 6:53 AM
That has to be a scam. Ethel Rosenberg was sent to the gas chamber back in the 50's for treason. She and her husband were convicted for giving top secret data on the H-bomb to Russia. That in turn helped Russia to develop their own H-bomb. At least the scammers have a sense of humor. |
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Location: southeast U.S.A. | Also notice that the scammer has cropped out the camera icon that was origanaly on the pictures on e-bay! |
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Location: MS | So happy to see that the ad is now marked as a fraud!   I also let the seller of the actual trailer on eBay know. Man, I wish these people would get a real hobby.  |
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Location: Louisville, KY | That was a really funny one, Dave! I see that you forgot to ask him if it has the brand new magnetic coupler system (MagneTow)...all you have to do is back your truck up to it and away you go...no fiddling with any of that junk like before. Also, as soon it it latches on, the landing gear automatically sucks right up. Amazing. Also, ya could have asked about the automatic watering system for each horse (of course with the option for Hawaiian punch, too.) On a serious note, did you happen to get any idea from the authorities about how likely it is that this guy might get caught off of the info that you provided? That really does take some nerve and no sense to attempt such a scam. |
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Location: georgia | Dave, this is one of the best stories that I have heard in a while. I do almost the same thing to telemarketers. When they cann I tell them that the person they ask for is in the warehouse but he really wants to talk to them so could they please hold on. In a few minuntes I tell them that I see him comming but he has stopped to talk to some one and for them to just hold on. I have kept them on the line for 20-30 minuntes before thinking that someone was realy going to talk to them. The other telemarketer fun is to get them talking and put the phone down, go to the fridge, whatever you want, just pick up the phone about every 4-5 minuntes and say any thing just to let them know your on the line, after they get finished with their pitch tell them you missed a point or two and ask them to repete the whole thing. This time just place the phone on the table and let them talk to themselves and discover that you have not be listening. |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | For telemarketers...... When my oldest was learning how to talk (and wouldn't shut up) I would just hand the phone to her. After a while she would bring it to me and tell me the little man went bye bye. After she was old enough to understand them I would just tell them there was no adult in the house because I didn't feel like being a grown up today. They usually hung up. |
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Location: Fort Jones, Ca. | Here is another scammer to watch out for. I just sold my old Circle J on Dreamhorse and got an e-mail from this clown, who could almost write english. The e-mail address is: morris_family01@yahoo.ca The same old drill - I'll send a bank draft, etc, etc. |
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Location: league city texas | Speaking of scams, is this for real? It sounds like a great deal, if so... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=160296 |
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| I had heard something about this same thing from a different forum awhile back. It is no good ... I would suggest you stay away as well. Of course it sounds good or you would be interested. That other forum is from a different Trailer Parts Forum. They had a discussion about the same issue and they agreed. I would listen to the posters in here. Make the right decision Rick |
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Location: BUNA,TX | I owe you a BIG THANK YOU! I am a rookie when it comes to buying things online. I was getting wrapped up in something similar to what you experienced, and you story was great. Thanks again. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I have caught two scams in the last two days. One is a 3 horse Featherlite out of Flordia ( lady is getting a divorce and doesn't need the trailer anymore b/c she is a "lady" ) and then one that started out in GA but then when I told him I would bring cash he told me that the trailer was registered in GA but he was actually in Hawaii at a military base and that he could not talk to me on the phone b/c military personal were not allowed to use cell phones or phones on the military....wonder how they communicate with family? This trailer was a 4 horse Exiss and I found the same trailer on ebay. He must have copied the photos to barrel horse world. |
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Location: bastrop, texas | Wow, wish I had found all this before I started looking for trailers. The hawaii guy is still trying to sell his sundowner, and is now in logistics! Watch out for possibly, Jessica Garden and grandpas trailer, Martin Mclean who's going to Irag and maybe Al Sloan with daughter in college. Are there ANY trailers for sale that the owner would actually accept cash in their hand to complete the deal????? |
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Location: georgia | ad # 10318 is another, the same vehicle is on ebay for twice the money and 3 times the mileage |
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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | Originally written by fannin26 on 2009-09-30 3:49 PM
Wow, wish I had found all this before I started looking for trailers. The hawaii guy is still trying to sell his sundowner, and is now in logistics! Watch out for possibly, Jessica Garden and grandpas trailer, Martin Mclean who's going to Irag and maybe Al Sloan with daughter in college. Are there ANY trailers for sale that the owner would actually accept cash in their hand to complete the deal????? Here's some good advice for screening out the bad ones. If you can't call THEM on the phone and have a conversation, then they don't have a real trailer to sell you. |
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Location: USA | Scammers are clever!~trailer scammers do exist!!! I am blown away how some people act, and are so dishonest! We got hit last week by a scammer, OMG, they never cease to harass you after they enter your world and try to take advantage of you...is so sad really that some can't find more Christian path to walk...Sellers be safe, stay alert!
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| "Here's some good advice for screening out the bad ones. If you can't call THEM on the phone and have a conversation, then they don't have a real trailer to sell you. " I will add this to Dave's advice: if they WON'T call YOU on the phone and have a real conversation,then,they're not interested in buying your trailer,either. I think that Tish gal sounds kind of familiar.Will have to search my email archives as I've sold 2 trailers in the past 2 years,but,seems as if that gal contacted me about one of them.
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Location: USA | No doubt they sound familar...and no matter how the names or spellings change, is all "trash" or trasha~ the scammer who tried us had a few versions to sort through: multi addresses in several states, phone numbers in one stateand addy in another type thing, several emails, etc...IMO they got so many holes in their stories is just nuts...how do they even keep track? lol...And our's, wow one ugly b'... I mean ya sort of think is a guy at first? then realize it isn't?...the he/she look I guess is what you call it? But sort of freaked me out, I am not use to seeing such weirdos in rural USA. lmbo~ No doubt scammers lurk this site! my message to them is "just die already" Or better yet, show up at my door again, pose as a buyer ~ am ready to meet n greet n ??? ya...
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Location: Boise, Id | Great to see communication happening. I used to sell on Ebay, had a store. When on Ebay look up the number of items sold, and % of happy people that are posted after item has sold & shipped. Be sure to read the comments too. Ebay changed their policy and really protect buyers but not sellers. I got scammed 2 times,these guys cost me $700.00. Ebay would not step forward and go after these guys. So I no longer sale on Ebay, but I did buy a nice LQ American Spirit trailer off of Ebay. Be sure you can call these guys, ask for copies of title or place of origin if never been titled. Pictures of actual trailer, do some checking. Google them, the place I bought from is actually a trailer dealership in Maine, they shipped my trailer to me in Idaho. The guy that delivered called me every night with his progress. Transaction went extremely smooth. Love my new trailer and saved me about $9000.00. |
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Location: Riverton, WV | I'm looking at a 2003 stockman Ponderosa 16x6x6.6 trailer in excellent condition and was wondering what others feel the value would be. I just want it for day trip trailer rides within 1 hour from my home. Any feedback will be appreciated and not taken personal Thank you Marilyn |
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Location: Ontario | I was looking for a trailer on a different site. A Mr. Richard Saddles was selling one that seemed tgtbt. Thanks for your original post Dave. I asked about the ski package (being Cdn and all, it get's cold here). He bit, hook line and sinker. Me: " You did not send a picture or tell me about the safety. Do you have the optional ski package with this trailer, or do I have to purchase them separately from the dealer? I need to make sure I have them because of the snow season here. Is there much rust? I know TN is south of the rust belt, but I need to make sure." "Hello,
is not rust,please see trailer ,also the ski pack come with the trailer.
The payment and delivery will be made trough this company <removed> so if you decide to buy the trailer i need to receive your full name and address and i soon i have it i can contact the company and make the shipping.
and after i can give you the tracking number and the company will contact you for payment.
the payment is send in two parts and also you have a trial period of 3 days.The first payment of $2900 would be send at the company after i provide you the tracking number and other half at the end of trial.
In case you does not like the trailer or you think some is damage the company refund your first payment and load the trailer and ship back to Memphis,all was paid by me,no additional fee is required.
Best Regards
Richard" Unfortunately I can't report him here because the site is in the states. That ski package is brilliant!
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Location: central IL | Some of these scammers work on your sympathies.........they're heading off to war and need to sell a trailer at a rediculously reduced price. When friends were seriiously searching for a nice 2HBP, I responded to such an ad. It sounded "too good to be true" and aroused my supersition. So since I live in Il and the trailer was in TX, I wrote the seller that I could send my lawyer cousin (who was a horse person) to come check out the trailer and the he would be willing to write up the legal papers to make the transaction~title, etc. I also stated that my "cousin" could also bring the trailer up to IL since he is such a close relative. As you might expect........never heard back from the seller even though part of my hype was true. I do have lawyers in the family and could have easily brought them into the picture. But the RAT was so obvious. Caveat emptor! Please beware........if it's too good to be true, then............ |
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Location: midland, tx | Has anyone received a reply to purchase a trailer from someone named simon johnson? He replied to my ad for a trailer and wanted to purchase it through paypal. He wanted my paypal info with no question on price. I thought very weird. He subsequently did not reply to my offer. Just curious. This occurred on November 14, 2012. |
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Location: Shawnee, Oklahoma | The easiest way for me to spot a scam is to ask when you can come and see the trailer....a scam trailer is NEVER available to look at in person.....the seller will tell you it's in another state or in the "Ebay" warehouse ready for "shipment"....lol yeah right.... |
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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | Thanks for everyone's vigilence! In the past two years our incidence of scammers on HTW has gone down dramatically. Largely due to reports from all of you when you spot a suspect ad. We monitor our ads daily. Dave Mattern Horse Trailer World |
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Location: md | What an appriopriate column toost under. |
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Location: Never miss a good chance to shut up. | Originally written by walkin on 2013-02-01 8:01 AM What an appriopriate column toost under.  LOL. You got that right! |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Another scammer... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?id=453285 http://sundowner.125mb.com/ |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Couple more bad ads... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=453281 http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=453278 |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | again... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=453295 |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | fourth one today.... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=453477 |
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Location: ky | found 2 more scammers in free horse adds.com for trailers for sale..a 2008 bison stratus express all alum. 3 horse slant w/ slide for 9,000.00. and for a 2007 exiss sport es-8308 for 7000.00. these are scams.!!!! |
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Beware of the trailer scammers - Reprinted by popular demand
