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 Location: Carson City, MI | I am looking to get some opinions from judges or trainers about working with a smaller horse. I show paint circuit and have always had a 16.1+ hand horse. I now bought a smaller 15.1 hand mare who has the look and moves nice but I'm worried that because of her size I will be overlooked....... Am I right? Just want to know before I put anymore time and money into her. My trainer likes her but I'm paying him! Thanks for any honest advice. |
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         Location: South Central OK | This is really hard to give advice about. You haven't given very much information and we can't see the animal. I've really only seen the smaller horses place in Western pleasure, youth horsemanship, showmanships and novice classes. I've picked many top judges brains and they all will tell you size does not matter(most women would also say this, LOL) but if you watch their placings that's not what happens. It's really hard to give you an answer without seeing the animal. I usually consult on equine purchases and placing young horses in the best line of work to suit them, but this really can't be done online. Sorry, I broke my crystal ball! |
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      Location: Southern New Mexico | I know their a different breed, but my appy mare was a show horse before I bought her and was top ten at nationals in halter and she is only 15 hands, her full brother won reserve champion at nationals and placed top 5 at world in halter and is 15.2. Of course I firmly believe that bigger is NOT better. Ever watch someone 5ft nothing trying to mount a tall horse? I'd laugh my rear off if it wasn't me trying to get up there. I prefer the 14-14.2 hand horses. That way I don't need a ladder. |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | I couldn't agree more, you always hear that it's not about the size of the horse, bla bla bla. Then you look at the top horses and what do you have? Height. I compeat in the amature division so I know I need to be tough. I guess just take her to a few shows, see how I do and if not well, promote her for sale as a youth horse. Thanks, Megan |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | A lot of the reining horses sure are small. They make my mare look big! We will give her a shot in western at a few shows and see what happens. Thanks a lot! Megan |
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       Location: central sierra nevada foothills | I'll tell ya what, ..............I just work cattle and trail ride with my little 14.2hh quarter mare, and she gets noticed in a heart beat over the jolly green giants. I always get, "wow, she sure is compact and muscular," or "what a tiny but sweet looking little mare," or "she sure is put together nicely and small to boot, with a good working attitude". I love my little 14.2 mare!  |
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   Location: Burleson, TX | Size certainly depends on what classes you are showing in. I am riding a 16.1HH wonderful gelding in Stock Horse of Texas shows and my only regret is that he is not a hand shorter so that it would be easier for this old body of mine to get off and on when required to do so in a trail class. It is also a little harder to bend/turn him in some of the obstacles that seem to be better suited to smaller horses. But his size hasn't effected his placings in any of the other three events. |
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      Location: La Cygne, KS | Height doesn't matter... it's heart, ability and willingness to please. |
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         Location: South Central OK | Originally written by ponytammy on 2007-04-26 12:32 PM
Height doesn't matter... it's heart, ability and willingness to please. I take it you don't show...showing is about as far from this as you can get. The paint horse circuit isn't the local "fun" show.
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     Location: Fort Worth, Tx | I have shown horses of all sizes and shapes in a lot of different disciplines and done very well, because I work hard and make sure my horses are prepared. So I would say that if your horse is talented and you work hard, that the height doesn't matter. There was a Connemara pony named Erin Go Bragh that showed very well against large Thouroughbreds in the eventing world several years ago-jumping fences over 5 feet high! So if a judge penalizes you for having a shorter horse, then don't show for that judge again, and let show organizers know why you won't be coming to that show. |
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   Location: Illinois | There's a little horse THEODORE O'CONNOR, um has a pony card since he's fourteen one and a half hands tall, that is getting a lot of attention at the Four Star Rolex Kentucky 3 Day event this weekend. He's currently in 10th place with his rider Karen O'Connor.  Er, they claim there is no relation between horse and rider. ;) Here's a picture of the little guy on cross country today. http://www.rk3de.org/photo_gallery_photo_view.php?id=427 http://www.rk3de.org/photo_gallery_photo_view.php?id=428 |
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   Location: Illinois | At the risk of talking to myself, Theodore O'Connor, AKA The Pony, finished 3rd at the Rolex Kentucky 3Day. BTW, it's the only four star event in the USA. Guess the little horse never read the books that said he had to be a 17 hand monster to do such a thing.  Go little horses.
Best horse I've ever had, was/is a little horse named Flynn. He's done about everything. Sadly, he's run into his first rough spot at 31yo, but am hoping the gutsy little horse of mine pulls through. It certainly won't be for lack of effort on both our parts. |
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      Location: high desert, CA. | You might like to know, there is a smaller than his competition, ARABIAN competing and WINNING on the competition circuit. His name is "Russian Roulette", and he is a georgeous and talented boy. He has beat the pants off of a lot of those warmblood monsters, and does the course a LOT quicker too! His Barn Name is; "Sasha" He is from the Hollywood area of California of all places! |
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      Location: La Cygne, KS | Huntseat, I respet your opinion. However, Yes I shown 20 years ago in the Arabian Show circuit. Had a little grey mare (15h) that could do Western Pleasure classes and be in the top 5, Halter and Huntseat on a Saturday and then turn around and go to a fun rodeo and do poles very well as well as other timed events. Have a reining QH mare now that is only 14.3 that has 80 points and still going. And I ride a 4 yr. old MO Foxtrotter for pleasure trail riding, mine is 16 hands, but my husbands mare is only 14.3 and keeps up just fine at the running walk. So based on my experience my horses didn't have to the bigger and taller to be successful. I don't think Seabisuit thought he was small... he was probably the greatest underdog in horse history. I know that some judges prefer the "thoroughbred look" in WP or Hunt Seat, just as some judges have a color preference. The bottom line to me is does the horse have the ability to perform and the willingness to go the extra mile. Give me a horse with heart anyday over height. |
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         Location: South Central OK |
Edited by huntseat 2007-04-30 1:48 AM
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         Location: South Central OK | Breed shows? I know about the little guys on the jumper circuits but that's not on topic. The original poster was asking about APHA shows, but way to hijack a thread ladies! Another clarification, she's also asking about showing in the current day and time...heck, just about everything dealing with showing has changed in 20 years! |
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   Location: Illinois | First question was is a smaller horse worth the time. My answer was yes and provided an example. Perhaps not of the Paint world, but of a world that usually has the attitude of 'The bigger the better.' A world where many of the people in it won't even look at a horse unless it's 16+ hands tall. With the exception for kids. They certainly don't look at a pony and say I'm going to take him as far as I can and go Four Star. So if your little horse has that extra something that you aren't finding in the bigger horses you have looked at, I'd say go for it.
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   Location: Burleson, TX | Back to the original post - What events/classes does DMGrinnell show in? That could/would make a difference, right? |
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Location: Needville, Tx. | Heck ya! I've got a 15 flat paint mare that I would put up agenest any big horse out there. Have had her since she was 2 yr. old and green broke. Been offered top dollar for her, But I ain't sell'in. |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | I normally do the all around thing, with her my plans were showmanship and western pleasure. I was at a show this weekend and did okay but after looking at pictures I just don't think she stands out the way the big boys do. Circuit horses are huge now! |
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 Location: Carson City, MI | I decided to sell the cute girl even after a great show weekend. Looking at pictures and my huge competition I need something a little bigger. Besides, I'm 5'8. We did outstanding in trail and showmanship (1st and 5th out of 33). However I'm just not there in the ridding classes. She would be great for a youth or as a reining prospect. See her on dreamhorse under "shocking little diva". A picture will be on her add shortly. Thanks for all the advice, I am going to buy my trainers personal horse. Big Quarter Horse. Thanks, Megan |
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