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    Location: Atlanta, GA | Need help on Barn/stall floor... After years of stripping stalls my stalls need to be built back up. What is the best thing to use. I was thinking about using crush & run.. Would this be OK? Need help ASAP because I have mares that are going to foal at any time and I need to have my foaling stalls ready. Please help... |
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 Location: Harmony,NC | What I did was put down Rock Dust and put Stall mats from Tractor Supply in my Stalls on top of the Rock Dust.It sure does make it alot easier to clean. |
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      Location: Columbia, TN | Crusher run is mighty dusty |
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      Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | sand to level out the ground...crushed gravel rock for draining...crushed line stone on top of that to make a smooth surface and top it off with stall mats. clean dry dust free straw for the mare to foal in.oh boy.....nothing like waiting till the last minute. HAHA!!good luck and let us know what your mares drop.  |
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    Location: PA | 6" (or so) of crushed stone dust that has been packed hard by wetting it first. If your floor is uneven just use the stone dust to even the floor up but make sure your base is good. Then get good, HEAVY!! 4x6 mats and cut them to fit tightly. If you do this right and use good mats, you will probably never have to touch them again and you will save a lot on bedding. |
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      Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | I got 6" concrete, 1" thick rubber mats and is bedded down with pine shavings. None of our horses have dug through yet, it don't get wet during the monsoons and we don't have to dig it all out because it gets saturated. Easy to disenfect also. |
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   Location: MO | I used 6" limestone screenings over 6" sand. Stall mats from MFA here in Missouri. The mats have interlocking edges to prevent slipping out of place. Was rather inexpensive, good-looking and durable. 3 yeras and holding with no issues. |
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   Location: La Crosse, WI - God's Country | Ditto more or less - gravel/limestone screenings - probably 10" or so, stall mats from TSC - shop around your local place for those, I was able to get them on sale there for $27 a pop. Not bad til you have to buy 24 of them... ow!
Worth every cent in ease of cleaning and the fact that our horses seem to be doing great on them - no more abrasions on hocks, etc. from shavings on gravel. Now we just use the shaving which are much easier to clean. For foaling, I thoroughly clean, disinfect, and will lay down clean straw until mom and baby are up and around...
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         Location: South Central OK | My stalls back in Texas are fill dirt, topped with crushed stone mix to bring up to 6" below grade. Last topped with about 2" of fill sand, topped with a roll of plastic vapor barrier with a light dusting under and over of lime. On this I placed my stall mats...like hav2ride says HEAVY, only get vulcanized rubber nothing less will do and they should be about 75-100lbs per 4'x6' sheet, and about $100 last time I checked. I haven't done anything but cleaned stalls for close to 15 years. Once a year I strip them down and scrub everything in pinesol to keep germs at bay and it helps to get the winter smell out of the barn and may it feel like spring. In the winter I clean with bleach solution or Parvosol, a vet cleaning solution that kills every germ known to man. I also check the vapor barrier to see if pee is getting through once a year. 15 years and going strong...how's that for doing it right the first time! I'd like to thank my father for helping to over-engineer my stalls when I would have done them fast and cheap and paid for it everyday since.
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   Location: Odenville, Alabama | Crush and Run works great. Sets up hard, but still drains. I have mats on top of that, mats are o.k. except they're so thick that the pee doesn't drain. I clean everyday, so I guess it's not really an issue |
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    Location: Atlanta, GA | Just wanted to say THANK YOU to all of you for the help... The crush-n-run will be here today and I am picking up my mats today as well.. I will soon be building a new barn so all the input given to me here will be put to use there as well. I will let all know what we have as soon as they are born. I can't wait. I love the babies. Thanks Again Angelia |
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         Location: South Central OK | The whole purpose of mats is to keep the pee from soaking into the ground! Your shavings should soak up the pee. If your mats let pee drain through them then your barn smells like pee even when it's empty, YUCK! |
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    Location: Atlanta, GA | Yep, your right... Our barn is 11 years old and we never put down mats and with all the cleaning and stripping we have removed way to much dirt. I use a lot of lime so we don't have the smell. I just need to build the ground back up to normal and we are putting down mats finally... This will also be a test before our new barn gets built. Live and learn.. My foaling stalls are 12 x 24 so I have a lot of filling in to do. |
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   Location: Odenville, Alabama | Huntseat - what kind of vapor barrier? Just that thick clear plastic? My stalls are chirt base with crush n run and 1" thick mats. So heavy, I can't pull them out myself. Hubby can, but of course he has SUPER POWERS! We finally pulled them out this fall when our barn flooded. |
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         Location: South Central OK | The plastic we used to my young eyes looked like a really heavy thick trash bag type material. It was easy to roll out but wasn't flimsy or elastic like a trash bag. Once the length was cut it unfolded several times to be about 8' wide. Once the mats were in place we trimmed the extra plastic around the edges. It has yet to allow pee to pass. We over lapped the plastic about 4'-6' to ensure there was great coverage and no leaky seams. I'm sure you could also add silicon sealant between the plastic edges, but we did ours over 15 years ago and things have come a long way since then. When I build my OK barn I'll be putting all of my construction notes in short video tapes...that way when i get old I won't have to remember what I did! The plastic was black and opaque.
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    Location: PA | I don't understand why you put plastic over the drainage material. The idea is for the floor to drain what little urine seeps thru the seams. |
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    Location: michigan | We just dumped in some sand to level the stalls out then dropped some mats on top. I love love love the mats. Use less bedding and it always smells nice even when the stalls are dirtier than they should be. |
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         Location: South Central OK | hav2ride, we used the idea that all animal waste should be cleaned out daily, urine included. If urine was to run down through the bedding through the mats and into the ground material that would not have accomplished our goal. Several, 4 vets(2 of them equine only) if I remember correctly helped us design our footing structure. We did not want to have horses standing on concrete because what's a horse that's not sound...ALPO. When urine soaks into the ground the purpose of the mats has been bypassed...having urine under the mats only means you'll be moving mats and digging up pee smelling ground material. What does slip past the mats is absorbed by the lime dust layer on top of the plastic sheet. I've never had a horse with respiratory issues and I credit the removal of urine to be important in respiratory health. Level stalls keep the horses sound and comfortable. Everyone builds their barns the way they want/can afford and I don't knock others barns. My best horse buddy doesn't use this method. You walk into his barn and his horses look like mini's because his stalls are about 18" below the center hall. He also only uses one mat in each stall, so the horses tear them up and kick them around...he says mats don't work. His stalls are not flat but rounded and the horses stand near the walls to get out of the wet middle area caused by urine that isn't being completely removed. Every year he hauls in dirt to level the stalls. His horses eyes water and they have hoof problems. His barn smells like pee if the doors are closed. He always asks why I don't have these problems and I think it's very obvious. |
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    Location: Atlanta, GA | Hey again... Boy I just love this site... No matter what the subject is we all get the education that we need. I love every ones input. Thanks Again. |
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    Location: PA | I understand what you are saying but the stone dust drains what little urine seeps thru the seams and there is never a smell if they are cared for regularly. Just curious, no flame. |
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        Location: Vermont | This is what I put in for stall floors... http://www.comfortstall.com/CS_Products_Comfortstall_Installation.html |
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         Location: South Central OK | No flame taken...just another view point. Paul I like the looks of that product, seems like it would undo the bads of concrete floored stalls. I like that it is sealed so that all the animal waste can be taken out, I bet it can be washed down in cleaning solution too. |
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    Location: PA | I don't think the comfort stall would hold up to a pawer for very long. |
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    Location: Atlanta, GA | Paul in VT, How long have you had your mats down? Do you keep horses on them 24 - 7? How deep do you keep your shavings? Thanks Angelia |
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by ASJ on 2007-03-01 12:09 PM Paul in VT, How long have you had your mats down? Do you keep horses on them 24 - 7? How deep do you keep your shavings? Thanks Angelia This is the bedding I use... http://www.woodypet.com/index.html With the current weather situation up here in Vermont...They were in 24/7 for about a week...Percherons, Rhinelander, and Lusitanos...No breakthru...normally everyone but the Lusitano stallions are out about 6-8 hours a day...The stallions are turned out in round pens for about 2 hours a day and are ridden almost daily...Prix St George level training... |
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by hav2ride on 2007-03-01 11:14 AM
I don't think the comfort stall would hold up to a pawer for very long. Well the one Lusitano stallion dug down to the field drain pipes in his stall when he was at a training barn...so I had to put in rubber mats in his stall at his facility...he has not broken thru at our facility...but YMMV... |
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    Location: PA | What does "YMMV" mean? That's one I've never seen!
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by hav2ride on 2007-03-01 5:41 PM
What does "YMMV" mean? That's one I've never seen! Your mileage may vary... |
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