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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Salem, CT | http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=119644 This is almost unbelieveable. Daimler wants to get ride of the Chrysler Corp. I've read several stories about it on Yahoo and Edmunds - I pasted the link to the Edmunds article. I simply can't imagine Chrysler being owned by Hyundai or some other foreign manufacturer - but it's beginning to look as if something like that will happen. I guess 9 years ago that I couldn't imagine Chrysler being owned by a German company either... Personally I'd like to see the employees do what happened at Harley-Davidson years ago and buy the company themselves. Nothing would motivate you more than being an owner in the company! |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Salem, CT | From what I've read GM isn't going to move on it due to "too much product overlap". The problems you listed are a fact, I think GM is in the middle of a corporate turnaround - Ford worries me though - I don't see them lasting without a merger or a buyout by some other group as well. It wouldn't surprise me to see just 1 independant US automaker within 3 or 4 years (GM). |
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Doesn't seem like that long ago that we, as in taxpayers, bailed them out. From what I read on here all the time I would think those super Sportinchassis's should keep them afloat. All of you broke Cowboys started buying them GM 4500 and 5500's, Damnler still can't believe a Cowboy is smart enough to figure out you can get 2 of them for the cost of 1 Sportinchassis. It's not like you can't find something to do with the extra cash, like more BEER.
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Maybe GM will buy them then come out with a real truck with cummins diesel and allison tranny. Wouldn't that be somethin'. That's been on my husband's wish list for years!!! ![](http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/emoticons/n2.gif) |
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![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: Harbor Beach ,Mi, 48441 | They been sending jobs out of this country for years now and and costing us jobs and yet they want "us" to buy their cars and trucks.Sending work out, all your doing is biting the hand that feeds you ![](http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/emoticons/icon_angry5.gif) |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Salem, CT | Well, as I said in another thread - it's really confusing when the "Big 3" have a lower domestic parts content in their 1/2 ton models then the Toyota Tundra does. I don't know, between "Made in Canada" and "Hecho en Mexico", I have a tough time calling them American made... I suppose if you consider North America and Central America as one, then technically they are American made... but not made in the USA. |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Missouri | Originally written by Swartz Trailer Sales on 2007-02-22 9:13 AM They been sending jobs out of this country for years now and and costing us jobs and yet they want "us" to buy their cars and trucks.Sending work out, all your doing is biting the hand that feeds you ![](http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/emoticons/icon_angry5.gif) They haven't been sending the jobs out, the unions are driving them out. That is one reason why these forign manufacturers are doing so well over here. They aren't union and pay about $14 an hour. While the big 3 are paying $20-$40 an hour and benefits that are out of this world. I am a Dodge and GM dealer, and personally I say all of this is nothing but talk, won't happen. Really, I think this may be a bluff on DC's part to maybe scare the UAW into renegotiating, because if they sell off Chrysler, all those Chrysler UAW workers contracts are null and void, and that scares the heck out of them. |
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![1000](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/1000.gif) ![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: Denver Colorado | There is a dramatic difference in labor costs. GM for instance, total cost per hour on vehicles is $60/hr ($30 wages, $30 other employee cost). This includes health ins., pension, work comp etc. Most GM employees retire at 55. There are some 100 plus year olds still drawing pension. Can you imagine paying retirement benefits for 50 years after retirement? So compare $60 for US workers, in Europe GM averages $30/hr car, I think Mexico is $5/hr car, South Africa $2/hr car, China $1/hr and India is $.54/hr for auto manufacture. This is what's driving the big 3 to go to China. It's becoming their only choice just like the suppliers for Walmart and allot of the hitch companies I talk to. It's either China or get out of business. Allot of changes ahead. I still root for the home team, but I don't think the manufactures of auto's are going to have a choice. Be thankful that we have American jobs for building horse trailers. Even the Brenderup though from Denmark, is assembled in Texas USA. There are some car trailers from Mexico and I would imagine some entry level horse trailers will end up coming from Mexico. I haven't seen union activity at horse trailer factories yet but they are a smaller target than Detroit. |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: Monroe, WA | (snort, guffaw!)wiping keyboard...........wiping screen.........A few years back I worked with a civil engineer from Beijing... nice little gal, came over here right out of (their equivalent to) high school worked 3 jobs to put herself through university of Kentucky, then drove cross country to the NW.... said of the state she drove through, she liked Wyoming best because "it didn't have people".Anyhow, she was the FIRST person in her family in remembered generations to have even got within spittin' distance of a real live horse... she LOVED our horses. I taught her to ride on my ol' QH stud Pokey, and videotaped it to send back to her mom in China. That venerable lady had the neighbors coming in droves to see her little girl riding a HORSE.Somehow I don't think we will have much trouble from Chinese Cowboys anytime soon. Heck, they don't even have dogs, much.'cept for dinner....... |
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Seriously, I see 2 Dodge half tons for every Ford here in Sumter, SC. Maybe 5 Fords for 3 Dodges when it comes to diesels. I bought a Dodge last year because it was $3000 less than a "comparably equipped" Ford that had a smaller extended cab, no nav system, and no supplemental engine braking (I have the "Jake" brake on the Ram and it is very useful.) Oh well... We'll see what happens. All the Big 3 are in trouble right now. Mike |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Salem, CT | http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=119720 Here is the latest information... "In Europe, the Financial Times reported that at least four private-equity groups are holding preliminary talks to buy Chrysler. Reports in Europe say DaimlerChrysler's asking price is 10 billion euros — about U.S.$13 billion.What this means to you: Don't be surprised to see Chrysler wind up in the hands of a major U.S. investment fund. " |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Missouri | Originally written by Tx. Vaquero on 2007-02-22 6:27 PM
Truck Broker- You are both a GM and Dodge dealer? Is this for new vehicles or used? I haven't been around much, but I have never heard of this kind of dealership lash up before. Very curious.
Yep, we have a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep store on one side of our lot and a Chevrolet store on the other side. Works pretty good really. Although, if I had my choice I would get out of the Chevrolet business cause GM is very hard to deal with compared to DC.
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Salem, CT | I wouldn't dump Chevy quite yet... below is the latest headlines on the Chrysler sale "LONDON — DaimlerChrysler could take a minority stake in General Motors if GM elects to acquire the Chrysler Group, according to a report in the U.K. business paper Financial Times.
Word of the potential all-stock transaction filtered out of Europe over the weekend as industry analysts continued to question how to value Chrysler, which is in the process of yet another makeover and downsizing as it struggles to regain profitability"
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Location: Memphis, TN | This might be a little off topic and I am zipping up my flamesuit, but I work for a Chinese company and have for the last 4 years. I have to tell you that this company pays better, has the best health benefits, and the best bonuses of any company I have ever worked for...period.
The company is extremely concerned with our work atmosphere and well being.
In the past I have worked for a local hospital, a small business, a managed care group, and a manufacturing plant. All of them with the exception of the manufacturing treated us like dirt. The manufacturing plant had a lot of good ol boys at the top and they basically bankrupted the company so the rest of us got nothing.
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![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: North Carolina | I feel the pain as an old business owner that was shut down due to NAFTA and now that I am in the IT world we are seeing it on this level as well. Especially with call centers/helpdesks for companies. One of the clients I have now is GM and you guessed it ....their call centers are in brazil. I have seen it with every customer we manager that moves their call centers or heldesks to other countries. The support and the level of service you get is automatically dropped as soon as this happens. It seems almost as fast as you have them moving them over there, companies are starting to realize that it was a mistake and didnt seem to be worth it. I have seen several articles in the past few weeks regarding this. I will share one: (If that's the case, another exception is Fremont-based Everdream Corp. The company makes desktop management software sold as a service, like Salesforce.com. It wanted to scale up a help desk and thought it could do so faster and cheaper in Costa Rica. It thought it was doing everything right. It contracted with a third party which specializes in setting up these call centers, and trained the management in California for four months before opening in Costa Rica. The move was a disaster, says Gary Griffiths, CEO and president of Everdream. ) I know this is not close to the topic that was started but Just adding what I see as well since I handle some of the major issues when a computer problem fails on a production line for GM or when you go to press that On Star button and that connection doesnt work. Will you feel comfortable talking to someone in brazil with a fake US name? What you get overseas for cheaper is not always better. |
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