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Location: Urbana,MD | Which dewormer do you think works best??I like to use the daily.I think it helps keep the weight better and gives a glossier coat.A General all around healtheir apperance.I also use the paste 2 times a year spring and fall. |
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Location: pensacola, fl | I use to use both like you do. However, my mare seems to be a little hard to handle when she is on the daily stuff. Maybe she just feels better when she is on it. I would love to keep her on the daily because I agree she looks much better all around but somedays shes like riding a rocketship to the moon. |
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Location: Urbana,MD | I have never heard of that...but I suppose it would make since that they would feel better too.I have 2 tb's and a 3 year old WB.I have not noticed that in them,but they have always been on it since I have had them. |
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Location: pensacola, fl | Well, it doesn't seem to affect my geldings. But, this is my 2nd mare and it affects them both the same way. Like I said I would love to keep her on it but can't risk the rocketship ride!! |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Paste.I check fecal for worm egg count.Some I haven't wormed in over a year as they haven't needed it.The vets I asked about daily were not in favor of it.Did not give the animal a chance to build a resistance to worms.If animals are stalled and hayed or dry lotted etc.once clear of internal parasites really don't need a wormer going through their system 24/7. I check fecal as a rule and if ONLY owned one or two horses it would really be easy. |
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Location: Nebraska | Wait a minute.... You check the worm EGG count in fecal matter...Horses build a resistance to worms.....who are you trying to Bs. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Been doing this for a few years.Vet suggested it.He does his 60 odd warmbloods same way.Works great.No eggs shedding no worms.Only one that dosent show up is tapes.Also helps determine what dewormer to use. Also helps to determine if a resistance to a wormer is a issue.I have bought some generic ivermictrins that when feccal check in 5 days egg count was still high.Use another brand and egg count gone or almost nil.Lot cheaper then buying wormer and just throwing it at animals that may not need it.I just wormed a stud that has been dry lotted a long time just because bot season is over.He still tested clear since last year at this same time for anything else. Oh by the way I don't BS!
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Location: Nebraska | SO.....which test do you use to count.. |
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Location: Nebraska | do you check the pasture for larve too |
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Location: KY | I agree with Houndog. Checking egg counts is the best way. Considering the housing situation and whether other horses are coming and going makes a big difference too. Just guessing is a good way to waste $$. |
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Location: NY | I use the paste . I read and my vet said that older horses have problem with daily wormer. egg count is the best way to know for sure if your horse is safe |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | I also use the paste, but was wondering,,,,,,,,how does one test for worms anyway? Can you do it yourself by purchasing a kit or something or does the darn vet have to be involved? |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | My vet charges $3 bucks a pop.Can be done yourself.Takes a microscope,slides,cover slides and a solution of water and??? Anyhow use a paper cup a little manure and draw it off the top.Vet is gonna show me as he says the $3 bucks is no real loss to him and he says its simple to do.I've been lazy or it just hasn't gotton to the top of the list at the moment.Maybe this will spur me on as I have a microscope,slides etc.and gettting somewhat setup to do my own cooled seman,check for worm eggs etc.Friend of my uses a microscope he bought at pawn shop near the college.I got mine off e/bay.A no name made by a name brand company etc.A poop ball in a baggy and drop it with vet.I lable them and he calls me that evening or the next.My vet is not a big fan of adding/using what he calls strong drugs(wormers)if NOT needed.I understand him and agree as well as the cost.I think the daily stuff for the most part is marketing hype.(has its place and need in some situations but not mainstay) Hey they(vets office)check your DOG the same way when you take them in. As far as pastures in times of DROUGHT egg count goes WAY down as well as needing to worm horses as much even in heavy populated pastures.Also pastures shared with cattle the worm/egg count goes way down.Cattle and horses don't share same parisites(one which is minor) and will graze each others areas but not their own.Lots of throughbred farms have pet cows/steers to turn into paddocks as they are rotated for this very reason.
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | Microscopes, slides and cover slides OH MY!............easier for me to scoop the poop and drop it off at the vet's. I have 7 horses. So do I have to bring in 7 samples? Hope not.............. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Of course 7 samples.Each animal is differant in their internal defense.I do a lot more then seven.eaither a little baggy and label it or a small cup and cover.its not like taking a soil sample where you get seven samples and stir it up for a average. |
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Location: NY | I do not think that you have to test all 7 horse just do the ones that look thin or there hair coats are not right. If you do not have any horse in that way then just check two of them. |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | All right, all ready...... geesh.............So what happens if some have worms and some don't ? Do you treat ALL or just the ones that do? Wouldn't the others eventually get infested? |
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Location: NY | If you horse has worm then you will not get all he or she can give you and the will get sick. if one has worm the I would treat all . just my thoughts |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | Loveduffy: |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | I follow my vet's worming schedule...........now is that overkill???? Hell if I know, but my horses are healthy. (god, knock on wood). I've never done the fecal test on any of them and I've had this herd for almost 10 years now............ I'm always interested in how people do things in the horse world...... |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | I use the paste and the granules for one horse,picky little fart,i buy the generic Ivermectin,same stuff as expensive name brand. I give each horse the whole tube,vet says it won't hurt em and works fine. Daily wormer just treats certain parasites,and cost $$ I just worm every quarter.Dog even licks the plunger so takes care of her too!
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Location: PA | I prefer the paste. I rotate with Zimecterin, ComboCare, and Anthelcide or Panacur and treat every 3 months. I don't like the daily wormer as much as it only controls 4 species of worms (large/small strongyles, pinworms and assarids). That is what is states on the labels of Strongid C, Continuex, and Equi Aid CW. The way I look at is that even if you feed a daily wormer you will still have to paste worm the horse to control all of the other species that the daily doesn't kill. Of course I have 4 horses that are in and out of a stall and on and off pasture. Confinement and separation changes the exposure of any horse to being reinfested after worming. Also the weather is a factor. |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | This is the schedule I follow per my equine vet's advice: February: Zimectrin Gold April: Quest Plus Gel August: Zimectrin Gold October: Safeguard December: Ivermectin |
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Location: CO | It's interesting to see how everyone else does things. As far as wormers we use paste and rotate it everytime. In one of the packages we got had a rotation calander in it stating which wormer to use during which time of the year. This may be a shock to some but we worm everytime the farrier comes out, which is every 8 weeks. This may sound excessive but never had a problem and right now it's 8 horses that we worm on a regular basis. Cowby |
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | I have never thought of it like that. Checking for worms before worming. Come to think of it I don't worm myself 4 times a year. I'll be getting in touch with my vet to do some poop checks. Hopefully he will tell me what kind of wormer to use also. Darn good tip in my book. |
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Location: Oregon | I just called the local vet, $17.50 for the egg count and $45 to examine the horse. When your vet shows you how to do the egg count, please share. I have facilities to do my own (a microscope, slides etc) but I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between egg to know which wormer to use. Great subject. Thanks for askingColleen |
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Location: NY | worm are a problem if you have too many horses on small amount of land. worming everytime the shoer comes that is a easry way to keep track thank you for the tip |
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Location: CO | Originally written by loveduffy on 2006-10-12 11:31 AM
worm are a problem if you have too many horses on small amount of land. worming everytime the shoer comes that is a easry way to keep track thank you for the tip That's true. But our horses run on 160 acres, come up to eat free feed off of 800# bales of grass hay. Then they will turn around walk away from the bale and reach down, eat some "road apples". At times I think they have lost their minds. Cowby |
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Location: NY | I was told by my vet that if a horse eats manure then there is something missing in there diet. and yes i would worm and do every two mounths need it or not,safe the sorry |
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Location: pensacola, fl | Slickernsnot,
Please be careful letting your dog lick the plunger. Ivermectin can be very toxic in dogs. Yes vets do use it to treat parasites in dogs but it is at a very very diluted dose. Strongid is much safer. Also if your dog happens to have heartworms the Ivermectin can also cause great harm.
Just thought you should know.
120cc of water to 1 plunger of Ivermectin is the mixture for dogs.
60cc of water to 1 plunger of strongid is the mixture for dogs
to be given 1cc per 10 pounds!! |
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Location: Urbana,MD | yes be careful letting dogs lick those plungers!I worked as a vet tech,and it can be dangerous.
I use the daily wormer method with paste spring and fall and go by my vet...web site...www.monocacyequine.com protocal for vacines and worming.I also do vaccinations myself exept for rabies and west nile which is illegal in mD |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | horsecrazi: My equine vet's are Rich, Peter, Javiar and Lisa from Monocacy. There the best in my book. I've always vaccinated for WNV. It's not illegal to vaccinate for that in Maryland. If it was, the suppliers wouldn't sell it to Marylander's. All my equine friends do their own WNV vaccines, myself included. Dr. Forfa knows that. Now rabies is another story. I know ALOT of stables in Maryland that vaccinate for Rabies themselves. They get around that issue very easily. You can get rabies vaccine in Viriginia if you have a connection. It's not against the law in Virginia to buy it. The only thing this stupid law accomplishes is that it stops horse people from vaccinating for rabies. Rabies vaccine is the cheapest vaccine to purchase too. I do all of my own vaccinating. If the law were to come to me and say I can't give a rabies shot to my horses then guess what,,,,,,they don't get a rabies shot. I'm not paying a vet to come out and charge me $200 bucks or more to vaccinate the herd when I know that a vile of rabies vaccine only costs $11.00. And the real corker is that it's not AGAINST Maryalnd law to NOT vaccinate your horse for rabies, but it's against the law to purchase the vaccine and administer it..............go figure. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Rabies law same here in Georgia BUT many vets(if they know you)sell the vaccine.Lots of info about worms,eggs,what they look like etc.right here in the biggest handbook you could ever want. |
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Location: Nebraska | When doing worm egg count..if you're doing the flotation method...it's not very a reliable method..the McMaster's method is perfered and not everyone is capable of doing it......fecal egg count does not correlate well with severity of parasite infection |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | I'll make sure to inform my vet of that.He may not be up to date as he did have two jobs.He was with Georgia Tech 30 odd years subed out to Lockheed in charge of updates and redesign on F14 instruments and he vetted in the evenings(said vet bills on wifes Warmblood habit was too costly) and weekends.He retired from Lockheed a year ago and now vets full time.All I know is that he checks,tells me high or low on egg counts and if to use Ivermictin or Quest or Panacur.Usually only thing I use is Ivemictin or Quest.He likes Panacur power packs which is costly on me with as many horses as we have.I have not had any hard keepers including an old Saddlebred mare(pregnant)and nice coat shine on everyone.I feed very little grain.Very little. |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Thanks,They told Me not to give her "chew" either, but she likes it and only spits outside. |
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Location: NY | If the ravies vaccin is not handled right it is no good and if there is a out brack the powers that be need to see a vets licenin on the vaccin to make sure that it was handal right and given. just because you purchase it don't not mine you gave it. |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | loveduffy: Your post confused me. I know how to handle vaccines, rabies included. Been doing it for years..........and we all know that vaccines are not 100% full proof. One type of shot I don't do, is one that has to be administered into the vein. That's a vet's job. By the way, my vet is the one that showed me how vaccinate my horses. Kinda like, straight from the horses mouth. (no pun intended)
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Location: Urbana,MD | windwalker...I have been using Monacacy for 15 years or better..and just love Forfa.He is really good when it comes to AI breeding.I did know that you can get rabies in Va or WV ,but do not have a contact so I always just have the vet out and do coggins also in one stop.That way it makes it more worth while since I show and need them.I did know that we could give west nile ourself ,but have not found it on the market for the puplic to buy.I can go and get it from Mono. EQ and they would give it to me.Where do you purchase it?
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Location: Hagerstown, MD | Originally written by SLICKRNSNOT on 2006-10-13 10:26 AM
Thanks,They told Me not to give her "chew" either, but she likes it and only spits outside. literally rolling on the floor laughing! Funniest think I've heard this week and it's been a long week. *my rottie read your post and wants to try a little chew* |
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Location: PA | The reason that you cannot buy Rabies vaccine in most states is because if you accidentally nick yourself with the needle or get any of the vaccine spilled on an open cut you will probalby get rabies yourself. I asked my vet about this a few years ago because I vaccinate my horses myself also and that is what she told me.......she said the risk is very high. Now maybe this is true or not but it seems like a good reason for most states to regulate it's use. I can see why WNV would also be regulated......both of these diseases are shared by horses and humans. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | I was told something differant. They did not want just anyone SAYING they bought a rabies vaccine and using it on dogs and cats without a record of it because the disease is so dangerous & deadly.It just so happened that little law prevents just buying it also for horses,cattle and goats.I do not give it myself to my dogs or cats.I let the vet do that with the proper paperwork filled out.The West Nile vaccine last year did show up in some flu vaccines for the first time but they did not have tetnus I belive because vet sold me some files of it and the whatever was not in it,like a 4 way he sold me seperate.I think the West Nile is more of a NEW drug more MONEY deal.Vet told me the cost and availabilty of it will become more relaxed as time goes on.If I just had a few horses have no issues with vet doing rabies.But I have about 25 now and I catch them up in ones,twos,threes as I can over a week period not all at one time.Some are not even here at the house but in two differant leased pastures 20 miles apart etc.The group of vets I use to use was like oh well when I told them my situation and the vet I use now after he got to know us said that it was a screwed up deal and rather sell responseable owners with herds instead of one or two the vaccine in bulk and it get given then not given at all etc. |
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Location: NY | in new york a horse was diagnoise with rabies the onwne was from out of state he said that he gave the horse the shot him self. they called his vet and they said that they did sell him the shot. that was all the man could proof. the horse was put to sleep and tested |
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