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Location: va | How much oil should you feed with grain and what is the best kind of oil. Thanks David |
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Location: Urbana,MD | you can feed up to 2 cups a day.1 cup 2 times daily.Corn oil.Why do you want to feed it?For weight?or coat? |
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Location: Hagerstown, MD | Corn oil is pretty expensive. I use a fair amount of oil in the diet of my horses. I prefer to use a vegtable oil and buy it at Sam's Club. Corn oil usually makes a horse a little "hotter" than normal and most of us with horses don't prefer them to be "hotter" as a rule. I feed a combination of beet pulp, corn oil and 12% feed about six months out of the year. When the grass is good, I let the grass maintain them until they aren't getting enough from the grass alone. I try to feed twice a day and mix wet beet pulp, sweet feed and some veg. oil together to make sort of a mash. I started doing this mixture a couple of winters ago when my neighbor got me turned on to the idea of beet pulp and it's advantages. I use the oil to help with their coat, digestion, keeps the manure soft and make sure that my 3 yr. old mare doesn't collic, which she is prone to do since she likes to "bolt" her food. Once I started feeding the "mash" she quit bolting her food and ate at the same pace everyone else does. We had tried everything to get this yound mare not to bolt her food and making a mash was the only thing that worked for her. Other wise, she would attack her food, sling grain all over the place, make a mess, waste half her rations on the floor/bedding and frustrate the crap out of my wife and me. Hope this helps and happy trails.
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Location: Northern Utah | If you are looking for extra calories in their diet. It might be easier to use a stablized Rice Bran or commeriical feeds that add stabilized fats to the feed. i.e. Nutrena's Empower or Purina's Athlete. Be careful storing oils in the heat of the summer they can go rancid. If you choose to add oils, Add them gradually over a week or so. Don't give them the full 2 cups to start with. 1/4 cup today, 1/2 cup tomorrow etc. I'm also a big fan of soaked beet pulp in the winter. |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | Hey, deranger,,,,,,,sounds like your mare is keeping both you and your wife "regular". Shoot, you don't need any added fiber in your diet's....................how sweet of her! |
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Location: Urbana,MD | I feed beet pulp year round.I mix it with the grain.It helps slow digestion so they use more of their feed.I do not think it helps add weight though.I have never had a good result in using it for that purpose.I have had hard keepers "TB's" all my life.I have tried everything.They make super high fat feeds these days "like 10% fat" that work wonders! Also you will feed less.I have not had good results in using oil for weight purposes,but find it is good for the coat! Horsecrazi |
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Location: Hagerstown, MD | windwalker2, I knew I could depend on you to come up with some kind of creative comment..........knowing your warped sense of humor. |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | Stop, your making me blush |
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Location: washington | I feed a mash of soaked beet pulp, whole oats, senior feed and add a cup of vegetable oil twice a day in winter to keep weight on my horse. The senior feed gives him a little extra in winter. In spring, summer and fall I omit the senior feed and only feed the mixture once a day. My vet gave me the suggestion of adding oil to feed to add weight without the consequences of extra grain. My horse isn't old, but does burn a lot of calories being a bit of a worrier :) His coat is spectacular, he shines like glass, and he stays looking great with that recipe. Might not work for every horse, but sure works for mine. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | During the summer we feed oats once a day with 1/4 to half cup corn oil mixed in. The horses are on good pasture 24-7. Vet was out last week for coggins and said whatever you are doing, keep doing it because they all look great. Been using small quanity of corn oil for some time now. 8 horses, from 7 mo. to 28 yrs. all get it. |
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Location: michigan | I started using coco soya rather than corn oil. I like it better for slick coats. |
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Location: Newton, NJ | There's a very interesting article in the latest Western Horseman magazine that explains the benefits of added "fat" in the equine diet. |
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Location: Hagerstown, MD | farmbabe, how did you find out about the coco soya? Where do you find it? What is it? Where does it come from? Is it cheaper than corn oil? Please share as much as you can. Even at my age, I want to learn all I can. Thanks and Happy trails. |
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Location: michigan | My trainers used it for their show horses so I started using it. In fact, at big arabian shows, you'll find it in nearly every feed room. Go to the web site http://www.uckele.com/ A blend of highly digestible Coconut and Soybean Oils selected for Natural Fatty Acid balance. It is a natural source of Omega 3 Omega 6 & Omega 9 fatty acids. Cocosoya retains Natural Tocopherol (Vitamin E) and Sterols present in Crude Unrefined Oil (No chemical solvents). Cocosoya is an unrefined source of soybean & coconut oils. The thick substance (gums) that sometimes settles to the bottom of the container is the Natural Lecithins (phospholipids) and Tocopherols (Vitamin E) of the soy bean oil. It is a highly nutritious portion of the product. Keep your oil well shaken allowing the lecithin & tocopherols to stay in suspension. Cocosoya is 20% more digestible than ordinary corn and vegetable oil and it costs less than vegetable oil at your local store. (pasted from the web site)
However- shipping costs will drive the price up so I find it tack stores or horse expos. I buy the 5 gal container and it lasts all summer. |
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Location: Hagerstown, MD | Wow!!!! I've got to start using that stuff myself!!! Couldn't hurt a thing for me to take a stiff shot of that first thing everymorning!!! Just kidding. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions and fill in the blanks on the benefits of using cocosoya oil. I'm going to start looking for it right away so that I have some in stock down at the barn and I can start using when the grass goes away in the pasture. Thanks again and happy trails. |
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Location: Richmond, VA | Another vote for cocosoya! It is more expensive than corn oil, but horses do quite well on it. |
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Location: michigan | Most people use about 1 cup corn oil daily. Cocosya is used at a 2 oz rate per day. Overall, cocosoya is more ecomonical than corn oil. I just body clipped my gelding and he is super shiny. I didn't even need to give him a hot oil treatment. |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | I should tell my beautician about that stuff..........no hot oil treatments! Cool. |
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Location: Nebraska | If you are feeding corn oil for engery, one to two cups per day. If you want to make a shining coat two-four oz per day. When feeding for energy a fat is a fat. Some oils are higher in omega 3, some higher in omega 6 |
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Location: PA | My horses get soaked beet pulp and veg. oil everyday. I give different amounts depending on each horse's need. It has been great for the 2 that are hard keepers. I would recommend it for all horses in varying amounts but not for horses that are overweight. |
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Location: Midwest | My friend feeds Soybean Mulch what is that good for? I heard from some people it is used for dieting your horse and then I heard that it used for fattening.. which is it? |
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Location: Romulus, Michigan | Soybeans are used to add protein to the diet - that's all I know. |
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Location: Oregon | I have a bag of beet pulp in my tack room, but after reading the problems with colic and choke I have been afraid to feed it. From what I read it is better to feed it wet, but it didn't come with instructions. What mix of water to pulp do you use? How long do you soak it? Can the wet soak be stored in my unheated tack room? I have two mares, one 10 and one 8. I just purchased a 16 mo old gelding baby? Should I feed it to him to?Thanks for any help you might have. While we are on the subject of feed, hay has become scarce in the southern oregon valley, thus is has also become very expensive. Anyone else having his problem? We are hearing that hay production was very low this year across the country. Thanks for your helpColleen |
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Location: Catoctin Mtn, Maryland | Sorry I don't anything about beet pulp.........about hay,,,well I feel blessed every year when my dealer comes rolling up the driveway with 1,500 bales of straight timothy and still only charges me $3.00 per bale even when the gas prices go sky high. Here in Maryland hay is pretty abundant. There has to be a severe drought to really impact us. We had a bad drought about 2 years ago. We got hay, but the quality wasn't all that good. But at least we did have hay for that winter. (no complaining here) Every spring, I start with watching the weather channel likes it my new found religon or something......praying that we get rain, then pray for not too much rain, then pray it rains at the right time, then pray it's not too cold of a spring, then pray again that when they cut it that it "doesn't rain"...............Lord have mercy! |
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Location: Urbana,MD | Beet pulp is exellent to feed to horses.I feed it every day AM and PM.I mix it with the horses regular grain.It helps with digestion and is some what equal to hay.It also helps keep them hydrated if fed wet.Most horses like it...even my picky eater.
You want to get it with molasass.I have 3 horses and use a 3qt scoop I fill it 3/4 full and put it in an old strongid wormer bucket,but any bucket will work.I use equal amounts of water.Give it a stir and let sit for at least 15 min.I uasally will make the dinners beet pulp when I am feeding in the Am ....and then while I feed in the pm I make the AM's.That way it soaks all day and all night.I then will split it between the 3 and stir it into the food.They say you can feed it dry ,but I don't recomend it.I do not think it will cause colic.Beet pulp is used dry in alot of horse feeds.I like the benefits of feeding it wet.It also works wonders wet when fed to horses which do get choke from bolting thier feed.It kinda slows them down. |
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Location: Oregon | horsecrazy, When you say equal parts water to beet pulp, does that mean 1 pound beet pulp to 1 pound water or 1 cup pulp to 1 cup water. Sorry to be so slow, just don't want to mess it up. Colleen |
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Location: CO | Originally written by clow on 2006-10-12 11:09 AM
horsecrazy, When you say equal parts water to beet pulp, does that mean 1 pound beet pulp to 1 pound water or 1 cup pulp to 1 cup water. Sorry to be so slow, just don't want to mess it up. Colleen You won't mess it up. No matter how much beet pulp you put in to any container, just add water until and inch or 2 excess is over the top of the beet pulp. 20 to 30 min later you can feed. We do about 20 pounds at a time, so we let it soak over night. With 20 pounds, we put about 4 inches water over the top. Cowby |
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Location: Urbana,MD | ok say if you have a coffee can scoop ...scoop a full scoop of beet pulp and put in a bucket.add equal amount of water...1 coffee cans worth.Does that help.It also would not hurt a thing to add more water.It will only hygrate them more.It is also exellent to feed before a long trip in the trailer.It will help them stay hydrated.It is kinda hard to measure the beet pulp by the pound..since it is a very light fluffy feed. |
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Location: Oregon | Thanks, I got it! Look out coffee scoops here I come!Colleen |
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Location: Hagerstown, MD | Here's another little twist on beet pulp and oil for horses. I don't supplemental feed all year long. When the grass starts going away, I start supplementing with feed. My schedule allows me to vary my routine from not so cold weather to really cold weather feeding. When it's not so cold, I mix the beet pulp similar to horsecrazi by mixing a new batch for the next feeding. When it's really cold out, I mix the beet pulp with hot water right out of the tap and add the veggie oil right then. I let it sit for about 30 minutes and it's ready to feed. By the time I walk to the barn, mix up 4 tubs of sweet feed, beet pulp/oil/water and bring the horses in, the "mash" is ready for them to eat at about the right temp so it's not too hot for them, but still steaming a little. They seem to really like the "hot mash" on really cold mornings. Mixing the beet pulp with hot water and adding the oil makes for a better soak and better mix with everything being hot. Saves a lot of labor for me rather than mixing everything cold down at the barn. I have a slop sink in the garage at the house and mix everything there, then take it to the barn. One other thing about beet pulp, I use pelletized beet pulp from Blue Seal and like it a lot better than the shredded beet pulp. I've tried both and the pelletized works a lot better for me, but it's still your choice. Happy trails.
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Location: Urbana,MD | yes....when I run short on time...or was just plan lazy I mix it with steaming HOT water.It seems to open the pores and expandes much quicker.It is nice in the winter.But do wait for it to cool off some.In the summer when I mix ahead of time .Try and keep it in the fridge.It can get rancid.It will get a sour smell.I am furtunate to have a heated tack/feed room with a full fridge to keep it year round. |
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