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Location: Oz land | This is for those mechanics out there. I have a 2001 Dodge Dually that recently started surging. What I mean by this is - you can be going along, and then all of a sudden you feal that it has no power, your feet is on the gas pedal, then it catches hold and goes on. Yes, it has been to the shop, they put it on the diagnostic testing and they found a pinched fuel line or sensor line. They spliced that, fixed it, thought we were good to go. 2 days later it started doing the same thing? Anyone have this problem so far. I'm so frustrated. I have not had my truck for 2 months. Any deisel mechanics out there. Right now it is at the Turbo Specialists for diesels. Thanks! |
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Location: West Coast | You might try going here: http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/index.php It's a message board dedicated to dodge trucks only. |
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Location: NW | dinero, do you know if the truck had it's lift pump (I think that's what you call it) replaced prior to you getting it? Reason I ask: my '01 3/4T had it's go out last fall & they replaced it - w/the new version. A couple months later, I started having the same type of deal w/it that you are describing. I took it in the first time & they scoped it & found nothing. That time it stalled - while warming up on a cold morning. At times it does the almost stall - I call it a "gasp" & then goes on - but have also had it stall out completely while driving. One time was BAD - had the trailer on, going up a good incline on a 2 lane highway...cut out & lost all power. But it won't start for about 5-10 minutes afterwards either. The idiots here at our dealership keep telling me that I have to bring it in when it does it in order for it to show on the scope - yeah, right, it's always a good distance from them when it happens. My warranty is going to run out next month. I am planning on going in & having a chat w/the dealership owner...we live in the mountains & we have a heck of a switchback climb to get up to our road - my fear is that it will do this & stall when I've got the loaded trailer on .... no power & the chances of the whole rig going over the edge (no guardrails) is just way too possible!! I guess I will have to mention the word "lawsuit" too in order to get them to pay attention & try to get this straighened out. |
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Location: Oz land | Thanks all for replying. Yes, we have put a new lifter pump on. Pressure was showing low. I am also scared of it completly quitting on me hauling horses. The guy said it is going to have to do while we are driving or we can't do anything. Hogwash! It is just so frustrating. |
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Location: NW | I did join the above mentioned site.....& have started reading thru when I can & am going to gather all the info & then go in to the dealership w/it. The squeeky wheel gets the most grease, so I think we need to get agressive! |
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Location: Oz land | I tried to join, but I haven't heard anything yet. They tell me they sent me an email. No email. |
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Location: nc | Sounds to me like the vp-44 injector pump has bit the dust. Cycle the key to the on postion and back to the off postion 3 times and leave it in the on postion the last time. If you get a p-0216 code then you are looking at about $1,500.00 for a new pump. Thanks Chris Diamond V Trailer Sales Inc. |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Had that problem on a School bus,and a friends Dodge, turned out to be the speed sensor on the engine.This little buger wont leave a code but will mess you up.The speed sensor senses the engine is going too fast and turns off the fuel pump.
Cummins had a recall, they call it a campaign, to replace the lift pump and provide a low pressure sensor.Low pressure will eat your injection pump.
Phone 1-888-327-4236 about this.
Take it to a CUMMINS DEALER if all else fails.They know more about the engine than the Dealer does.The dealer had My friends truck a month before he called Me and I told him to have them check the Speed sensor.Then presto changeo it was fixed in an hour.
On a School Bus you will loose power if the check engine lamp comes on.You really feel it turn to a lead sled.
I have had bad alternators send crappy power out and cause the Electronic brain to get bad signals and send bad codes.They can be a real pain to diagnose sometimes.Especialy when they dont send a code.If lift pump goes bad it puts air in system and that won't let things work right.
Had a injection pump fail cause of this and the Bus would start fine cold but not hot.
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Location: Kansas City | A great site for help with DODGE/CHRYSLER mechanical/technical questions is www.allpar.com/forums Like all sites you have to register to post but can view at will. I post AMSOIL synthetic oil related posts there and have never had my id or email address abused. |
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Location: Nebraska | I am not a mechanic...but my Dodge is in the shop this morning with the same problem as we speak. I have it at a Dodge dealership and have been pulling my hair out with them. I was told by a local mechanic that it was probably the throttle position sensor. The dealership acted like I they never even heard me when I told them that. Then the dealership told me that it was the fuel injector pump per the computer codes. Other mechanics have told me not to replace the fuel injector pump without replacing the lift pump as the lift pump going bad is what causes the fuel injector pump to go bad. Unfortunately the lift pump does not have any codes for the computer. The dodge dealership has a real hard time with common sense issues and will only look at what the computer tells them...therefore did not act like they heard me about the lift pump either. Told me that a new lift pump would be $550.00 out of my pocket as Dodge would not pay for that under warranty since no error code produced on computer. We only have 10,000 miles left on warranty so we really feel we are getting the runaround....ours is a 2002 Dodge HO Diesel 6-speed. Any suggestions? |
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Location: Oz land | My diesel mechanic ran some gauges on the lifter pump. The lifter pump pressure was low, so yes we replaced it. new fuel filter, air filter. If the lifter pump is not getting the fuel to the injector pump yes it can affect it. What I don't understand, is how my truck could run so good for 2 days. Actually, it ran really good for 2 days, and then problems again. I guess what I'm asking is if the injector pump is going out, wouldn't it run at all? I know how much those little injector pumps run, I am truly hoping that is not it. I'm no mechanic. Can't the mechanics use common sense and not depend on the computer diagnostic tests. Not all problems show up on the computer. |
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Location: Oz land | Originally written by triangle4horses on 2006-06-13 2:15 PM
I am not a mechanic...but my Dodge is in the shop this morning with the same problem as we speak. I have it at a Dodge dealership and have been pulling my hair out with them. I was told by a local mechanic that it was probably the throttle position sensor. The dealership acted like I they never even heard me when I told them that. Then the dealership told me that it was the fuel injector pump per the computer codes. Other mechanics have told me not to replace the fuel injector pump without replacing the lift pump as the lift pump going bad is what causes the fuel injector pump to go bad. Unfortunately the lift pump does not have any codes for the computer. The dodge dealership has a real hard time with common sense issues and will only look at what the computer tells them...therefore did not act like they heard me about the lift pump either. Told me that a new lift pump would be $550.00 out of my pocket as Dodge would not pay for that under warranty since no error code produced on computer. We only have 10,000 miles left on warranty so we really feel we are getting the runaround....ours is a 2002 Dodge HO Diesel 6-speed. Any suggestions? Call the main boys at Dodge Corporate- tell them what is going on. Complain - they will call the dealership. What I had to do when I short block sprung little holes, it was under warranty. I had the truck back w/in a week. We were leaving for Cheyenne. I was angry. |
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Location: NW | Great info & advice....thanks to everyone, even tho I just kind of "borrowed" dinero's thread! I am doing more "research" on my own & then will talk to the local dealership's owner & if no satisfaction, then contact Dodge. |
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Location: CO | My 2000 Dodge did the same thing. It was the Cam Shaft Sensor or Crank Shaft Sensor, I don't remember right off hand. I didn't take it to the dealership, but to a well known Mechanic. Cost around $350. to fix. That and the transfer pump, which cost about $200 to replace. Hope this helps. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | 1998.5 through 2002 is nortourious for lift pumps that damage the injection pump.Lift pump gets weak and lack of fuel(which also cools and lubes the injection pump) takes out the injection hours,days,weeks later.There is NO tool per se that tells you injection pump is going south until it bites the dust.Other baics do need to be checked.Clean battery cables,grounds,connectors etc.BUT the MOST common issue is lift pump(pump that brings fuel from fuel tank to the injection pump)then the injection pump most always in the same order.If close to end of warranty you need documatation of issue and checkout and OPEN a FILE with Chrysler 1-800-992-1997. |
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Location: NW | Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU Hounddog!! I will call them today! |
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Location: South Dakota | Maybe you have the problem solved... I had a 2002 Cummins with similar problems - it was the MAP sensor. It was still under warranty. Problem solved! |
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Location: louisiana | I own a 96 chevy but diesel engines seem to be somewhat similar. Exact thing happened to me and replaced lift pump. Ran good for a week and started surging extremely bad, PMD cooler on injectors coded going bad and was replaced. Next day, truck died and had to replace injector pump(did not throw a code and I was told there is no way to tell it is going bad until it starts acting goofy or goes out)-it fried when it got hot from PMD cooler going bad. Cost me around $2000 but cant complain too much, is the only repairs ever done on the chevy. Runs like a dream after and that was about a year ago. |
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Location: NW | GREAT NEWS!!! I ended up taking my '01 Dodge to a dealership about 100 miles away since the local idiots refused to do jack (& they are the one that SOLD it to me!). The great guys at the other dealership have deemed the injector pump does need replacing now too & are doing it - & it is covered under my warranty - which ran out yesterday!  I won't be charged any extra for the rental car for the days not covered under the rental either. They are the BEST guys! And that dealership has now "won" our business - I still am going to the local one & letting them know my feelings  & that NO ONE in my family will ever consider buying from them again. You'd THINK in a local, small town dealership, they would be more interested in keeping customers, but guess NOT. Thanks to all of you who gave me info & help!  |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Lift pump and injection pump most always fail in the same order.I would get a MANUAL fuel psi gauge and if or when its out of warranty and with a manual gauge(which will tell you if fuel filter getting clogged or if lift pump going weak)there is replacement ELECTRIC PUSHER PUMPS instead of a PULLING PUMP(the orignal lift pump)that can be installed with longer life and keeps more fuel psi to the injection pump.The LIFT pump dies and it scores/starves the injection pump and kills it. |
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Location: NW | Bumping up to go along w/my new post!! |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Perhaps one of the highly superior intelegant beings out there will purchase this truck from you just because they enjoy Dodge trucks so much they badmouth Fords. This would be a great opportunity for one lucky Dodge fan to step up and take this quality peice of machinery off your hands!!! How bout it all you Ford bashers? step right up...don't be bashfull...get out that checkbook...ok ok one at a time... THOUGHT SO!!! no one want's to put their money where their mouth is. How boute it Bubba or Jim Bob lets cash in those empty beer cans and make a great buy. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | The post wasn't about engine failure,oil leaks,won't pull at low speeds,headgaskets blown,coolant puking,exhaust leaks.Oh darn those terms came off a Ford site.Wrong product,it was a post about a Dodge and a older one to boot. |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | OH! excuse Me...sounds like someone sold that first dodge just in time!!!Hey there is a Chevy having overheat problems on another post maybe youall can trade.
Sounds like a new lift pump and injection pump are in order, a problem with that year, Oh did I say problem ? excuse Me again Dodge has no problems, must have been a weak moment.
Simple... when you loose fuel pressure you loose lubrication on injection pump..no lube no pump $$$$$$ |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Everthing has problems.Dodge diesels just don't DOZENS in one package and ALL in a serious manor.That 2001 will be a pulling LONG after those V8 diesls have gone to scrap yard. |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Aint pullin now!! Georgia..Georgia... Georgia on My mind. |
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Location: NW | Originally written by SLICKRNSNOT on 2006-07-19 9:13 AM
Sounds like a new lift pump and injection pump are in order, a problem with that year, Oh did I say problem ? excuse Me again Dodge has no problems, must have been a weak moment. Simple... when you loose fuel pressure you loose lubrication on injection pump..no lube no pump $$$$$$ NOT. As I (think) I said in my other post, both have been replaced. |
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Location: Alabama | Hey Snot, I've got an Expedition that just locked up at 124K. Ford says there is nothing to do but replace it & couldn't provide an explanation of why.  Do you need my address to send the check to? Love my Chevy truck!  Brenda |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | I like the sound of that!! SNOT Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. At least you had 124000 on it, just think if it had some oil in it it may have ran forever !! Any way on the Dodge, if both pumps were replaced then it is probably in the electronics,wire ends,harness, sensors or the ECM. Hey ! SNOT SAYS GIVE THE CHEVY A HUG FOR ME !! TEE HEE |
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Location: Alabama | "just think if it had some oil in it it may have ran forever !!" Ha! I wish... just had an oil change & they said it had plenty of oil & water & they have no idea what went wrong. "Just send a check for $4400 & we'll get it all fixed up!" Gee.. thanks... |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Been My experience over 30 years working on trucks that when a engine just "locks up" there is usually a pretty good reason for it. Although you are in Alabama... Welll there ya go...that says it all. And what is the state motto.. "Audemus jura nostra defendere" Just think if I bought your Ford you wouldn't have anything left to remind you of all the fun you had for all those 1k + miles A L A B A M A nice ring to it. SNOT Remember you may think it's funny but it's SNOT!! |
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Location: NW | Originally written by SLICKRNSNOT on 2006-07-19 3:28 PM Any way on the Dodge, if both pumps were replaced then it is probably in the electronics,wire ends,harness, sensors or the ECM.
Ok, next question: is there any way to narrow it down - any particular tests to do? Would any of these show up as a "code"? My warranty is gone IF they cannot find what is going on....it went in at the tail end of the warranty & they did the injector pump (said it threw the code for it), & quit on me on the way home. So we are perplexed. This truck has been GREAT, no probs til now...& can't afford a new one, so pleading for any help!  |
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Location: Tipton, IN | Originally written by afkatrina on 2006-07-19 4:49 PM "just think if it had some oil in it it may have ran forever !!" Ha! I wish... just had an oil change & they said it had plenty of oil & water & they have no idea what went wrong. "Just send a check for $4400 & we'll get it all fixed up!" Gee.. thanks... I'm with SNOT on this one, engines don't just lock up for no reason. Maybe your dealership doesn't know why because they haven't torn the engine down, but there is a reason, believe me. Having spent a time as an engine tear down tech for a remanufacturer, you can always find the reason the engine went south. If it locked up it could be main bearings, cracked crankk shaft, busted rod or a number of other reasons, but there is a reason. |
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Location: Alabama | I'm with SNOT on this one, engines don't just lock up for no reason. They basically told us that it was gone one way or the other & that it wasn't obvious (had plenty of oil & water). I guess we could pay them (cha-ching) to tear it down, but they said it has to be replaced regardless. |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | This is arealy tough problem,there are all sorts of electrical test to perform and even then there is no guarantee it will be the fix.I had one engine that gave a code on the inlection pump,replaced injection pump and transfer pump ran good then lost power started giving codes such as no oil pressure, checked with manual gage and was fine.After performing all the troubleshooting tips listed in the manual everything checked fine. I finally took it to Cummins North West in Portland,they performed same test couldnt find anything wrong.Suggested replacing wiring harness I said ok.Then they tried it, same problem.They tried to reflash computer.Result no power 40 mph. Then the computer would not take a reprogram, it crashed.Finally I told them to write off the bad computer test since I told them to replace it as I believed it was bad. They did and presto chango it was back up and runnin again. I also had one that had a bad speed sensor and would shut the engine down without leaving a code.What a pain!!. Check all the connections to every sensor,even oil or diesel will cause the end to short out and give a false signal.The puter sends out 5 volts and expects to get 5 back and if it doesn't then it will assume it is broke and send a dode.a code 363,364,365,366,367,368up to376 all have to do with the VP44 PUMP some derate speed others will let the engine die. will try to send some more info later |
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | this is just a sample of troubleshooting steps. Engine will not restart ® Refer to the Engine Difficult to Start or Will Not Start symptom tree.
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Electronic fault codes active or highcounts of inactive fault codes ® Refer to Section TF for fault code troubleshooting.
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Engine protection fault code(s)resulted in power and engine speedderate ® View the fault codes and the engine protection data with an electronic service tool. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual. Refer to the corresponding fault code in Section TF.
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Idle shutdown or PTO shutdownfeatures are activated ® Check the time limit on idle and PTO shutdown with an electronic service tool. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual.
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Keyswitch circuit is malfunctioning ® Check the vehicle keyswitch circuit. Refer to Procedure 019-064.
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Moisture in the wiring harnessconnectors ® Dry the connectors with Cummins electronic cleaner, Part No. 3824510.
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OEM engine protection system ismalfunctioning ® Isolate the OEM engine protection system. Follow the OEM service manuals to check for a malfunction.
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Battery voltage supply to theelectronic control module (ECM) islow, interrupted, or open ® Check the battery connections. Refer to Procedures 019-198 and 019-087. Refer to Procedure 013-009.
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Air in the fuel system ® Check for air in the fuel system. Refer to Procedure 006-003 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel lift pump is malfunctioning ® Check the fuel lift pump for correct operation. Check the pump output pressure. Replace the fuel lift pump if necessary. Refer to Procedure 005-045 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel injection pump voltage supplycircuit is malfunctioning ® Check the fuel injection pump voltage supply circuit. Refer to Fault Code 391.
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Exhaust brake is malfunctioning ® Check the exhaust brake for correct operation. Refer to the manufacturer's instructions.
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Fuel injection pump is malfunctioning ® Replace the fuel injection pump. Refer to Procedure 005-016 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Electronic control module (ECM) ismalfunctioning ® Replace the ECM. Refer to Procedure 019-031.
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Internal engine damage ® Analyze the oil and inspect the filters to locate an area of probable damage. Refer to Procedure 007-002 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193. Interview the operator to verify thecomplaint ® Refer to Driveability-General Information, the Driveability/Low Power Customer Complaint Form, and the Driveability Checklist at the end of Section TS. Follow the instructions on the forms before continuing with this tree.
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Electronic fault codes active or highcounts of inactive fault codes ® Refer to Section TF for fault code troubleshooting.
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Engine protection fault code(s)resulted in power and engine speedderate ® View the fault codes and the engine protection data with an electronic service tool. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual. Refer to the corresponding fault code in Section TF.
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Fuel level low in the tank ® Fill the supply tank.
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Fuel inlet restriction ® Check for fuel inlet restriction. Refer to Procedure 006-020 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel lift pump is malfunctioning ® Check the fuel lift pump for correct operation. Check the pump output pressure. Replace the fuel lift pump if necessary. Refer to Procedure 005-045 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel leak ® Check the fuel lines, fuel connections, and fuel filters for leaks. Refer to Procedure 006-024 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193. Check the fuel lines to the supply tanks. Refer to OEM service manuals.
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Fuel filter is plugged ® Measure the fuel pressure before and after the fuel filter. Refer to Procedure 005-011 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Engine is operating aboverecommended altitude ® Engine power decreases above recommended altitude. Refer to the Engine Data Sheet for specifications.
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Engine duty cycle has changed ® Verify the engine duty cycle with an electronic service tool. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual.
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Programmable parameters orselected features are not correct ® Check the programmable parameters and the selected features with an electronic service tool. Set the parameters and features again if necessary. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual.
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J1939 control devices are interferingwith the engine controls ® Alternately disconnect all other J1939 control devices from the datalink circuit until communications or functionality is restored. Refer to the OEM service manual to locate and repair J1939 control devices.
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Accelerator pedal is restricted ormalfunctioning ® Check the percent throttle reading on an electronic service tool. Verify that it reads 100 percent with the accelerator pedal depressed and zero percent when released. Calibrate the accelerator if possible. Replace the accelerator pedal if necessary. Refer to the OEM service manual.
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Air intake system restriction is abovespecification ® Check the air intake system for restriction. Clean or replace the air filter and inlet piping as necessary. Refer to Procedure 010-031 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Air intake or exhaust leaks ® Inspect the air intake and exhaust systems for air leaks. Refer to Procedure 010-024 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Intake manifold pressure (boost)sensor or circuit is malfunctioning ® Check the boost sensor and circuit. Refer to Procedure 019-061.
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Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) orcircuit is malfunctioning ® Use an electronic service tool to monitor the vehicle speed while the vehicle is not moving. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual. If the monitor shows speed, check the sensor and circuit. Refer to Procedures 019-090, 019-091, and 019-093.
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Tachometer or speedometer is notcalibrated or is malfunctioning ® Compare the vehicle tachometer and speedometer readings with an electronic service tool reading. Check the calibration values for the flywheel teeth, rear axle ratio, and tire revolutions. Adjust the values if necessary. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual. Calibrate or replace the tachometer or speedometer as necessary. Refer to the OEM service manuals.
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Air in the fuel system ® Check for air in the fuel system. Refer to Procedure 006-003 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Injector is malfunctioning ® Perform the automated cylinder performance test. Replace injectors as necessary. Refer to Procedure 006-026 or 014-008 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Injectors are not correct ® Remove the injectors and compare the part numbers to the Control Parts List (CPL), Bulletin No. 3379133. Replace the injectors if necessary. Refer to Procedure 006-026 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel connector is leaking fuel ® Perform the automated cylinder performance test to isolate the cylinder with the leaking fuel connector. Inspect the fuel connector and injector for nicks or damage that can cause fuel leaks. Refer to Procedure 006-026 or 014-008 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel drain line restriction ® Check the fuel drain lines for restriction. Clear or replace the fuel lines, check valves, or tank vents as necessary. Refer to Procedure 006-012.
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Vehicle parasitics are excessive ® Check the vehicle brakes for dragging, transmission malfunction, cooling fan operation cycle time, and engine-driven units. Refer to the OEM service manual.
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Turbocharger wastegate ismalfunctioning (if equipped) ® Check the wastegate for correct operation. Refer to Procedure 010-050 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Turbocharger wheel clearance is outof specification ® Check the radial bearing clearance and axial clearance. Inspect the turbocharger. Repair or replace the turbocharger if necessary. Refer to Procedures 010-038 and 010-047 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Turbocharger is not correct ® Check the turbocharger part number and compare it to the Control Parts List (CPL), Bulletin No. 3379133. Replace the turbocharger if necessary. Refer to Procedure 010-033 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Intake manifold air temperature isabove specification ® Refer to the Intake Manifold Air Temperature Above Specification symptom tree in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel inlet temperature to pump isabove specification ® Fill the fuel tank, turn off or bypass the fuel heaters, and check the fuel cooler. Refer to the OEM service manuals.
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Fuel grade is not correct for theapplication, or the fuel quality is poor ® Operate the engine from a tank of good fuel. Refer to Fuel Recommendations and Specifications in the Operation and Maintenance Manual Bulletin No. 3666262.
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Charge air cooler (CAC) is restrictedor leaking ® Inspect the CAC for air restriction or leaks. Refer to Procedure 010-027 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Exhaust brake adjustment is notcorrect ® Check the exhaust brake adjustment. Refer to the manufacturer's instructions.
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Exhaust system restriction is abovespecification ® Check the exhaust system for restrictions. Refer to Procedure 011-009 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Lubricating oil level is abovespecification ® Check the oil level. Verify the dipstick calibration and oil pan capacity. Fill the system to the specified level. Refer to Procedure 007-009 or 007-025 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Electronic control module (ECM)calibration is not correct ® Compare the calibration stored in the ECM with the engine rating and the Control Parts List (CPL), Bulletin No. 3379133. If necessary, calibrate the ECM. Refer to the appropriate electronic service tool manual and Procedure 019-032.
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Drivetrain is not correctly matched tothe engine ® Check for correct gearing and drivetrain components. Refer to the OEM vehicle specifications.
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Overhead adjustments are notcorrect ® Measure and adjust the overhead settings. Refer to Procedure 003-004 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Static injection timing is not correct ® Check the static injection timing. Refer to Procedure 006-025 or 005-037 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Fuel injection pump is malfunctioning ® Replace the fuel injection pump. Refer to Procedure 005-016 014-008 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193.
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Internal engine damage ® Analyze the oil and inspect the filters to locate an area of probable damage. Refer to Procedure 007-002 in the Troubleshooting and Repair Manual, ISB, QSB5.9 Engines, Bulletin No. 3666193. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Simple huhh! If you have a stored code, codes, your check engine light will be on.
Edited by SLICKRNSNOT 2006-07-21 3:37 PM
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Elite Veteran
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Originally written by afkatrina on 2006-07-21 3:16 PM They basically told us that it was gone one way or the other & that it wasn't obvious (had plenty of oil & water). I guess we could pay them (cha-ching) to tear it down, but they said it has to be replaced regardless. Really I am sorry you had a problem and understand where you are coming from.I mean you no harm or wish you any more bad luck.sounds like you have had enough. I was just slingin a little snot. Have a good weekend. |
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Location: NW | Ok, thanks for the ideas....I'm just frustrated & I think the dealership is too! I haven't heard anything from them, so am assuming they have not found anything yet. (diesel tech was going to drive it "as his own" vehicle & see if it would do it for him since it's not showing any codes!  |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY) | Like I said if it is a speed sensor it won,t set a code.But will drive crappy. GOOD luck |
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2001 Dodge - Surging
