What are some quality grain feeds that are low in Sugar and carbs?
LazyDayHorseFarm. TN
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2006-03-20 4:55 PM (#39140)
Subject: What are some quality grain feeds that are low in Sugar and carbs?


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I know this subject has been touched on lightly on a few other posts, but I was wondering what grains people feed their horses that are not considered a sweet feed. I would like to get my horses away from high carbs and suguars, but still give them a high quality feed along with their hay/pasture. 

I have heard that beet pult is quite good for them. Do any of you feed it? Anyway, would love to hear some insight on this subject.

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cowgirl98034
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-03-20 11:25 PM (#39169 - in reply to #39140)
Subject: RE: What are some quality grain feeds that are low in Sugar and carbs?



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I feed beet pulp, soaked for a few hours, mixed with whole oats and some vegetable oil. Quantities I have found work best for my horse are 1/2 lb of beet pulp, 1 lb of oats and a cup of oil. I feed this twice a day. My horse always looks so healthy, shiny and is dappled all year, even in winter. My vet recommended the beet pulp, oats and oil mix. She recommended more (lbs) but I had to adjust the amount based on his weight gain. I have a very high energy Arab and was not having the best luck with other feeds (too much get up and go!) I tried her suggestion and it has worked great for my horse. When it's really cold, I'll bump up the beet pulp to 3/4 -1 lb each feeding but if I did that every feeding he'd get fat in a hurry :) I can say, he really loves the soaked beet pulp, oats and oil mixture. *
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2006-03-21 7:34 AM (#39181 - in reply to #39140)
Subject: RE: What are some quality grain feeds that are low in Sugar and carbs?


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Try this site. Alot of info http://ohioline.osu.edu/b762/b762_16.html

On the chart for nutrient contents for feed stuff (table 5), that is dry matter basis only, not as fed.

One thing to remember, all starches and sugars are carbohydrates, but not all carbohydrates are sugars or starches.



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hav2ride
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Posted 2006-03-21 7:52 AM (#39185 - in reply to #39140)
Subject: RE: What are some quality grain feeds that are low in Sugar and carbs?


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Many pelleted feeds are lower because they don't contain as much molassas as textured. Remember, corn is a HIGH carb.
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Judy K
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-03-21 8:42 AM (#39187 - in reply to #39140)
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Hi - we've been using Nutrena Safe Choice for a couple years - its good for easy-keepers - low in sugar and carbs...recommended for founder-prone horses and those turned out on pasture - it is a pelleted form. Nice product and seems to be highly recommended.
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kickshaw44
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Posted 2006-03-21 12:24 PM (#39203 - in reply to #39140)
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Here is an interesting link - it only goes over a couple of brand names, but is useful nonetheless.

How Sweet is your horse feed? http://www.horses-and-horse-information.com/articles/0203_how_sweet.shtml

 

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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2006-03-21 9:32 PM (#39247 - in reply to #39140)
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Interesting link Kickshaw44 brought up. let it be known that i'm not condeming his product, never used it or heard of it before. just a good sales pitch.

nonstructual carbohydrates-aka as simple, soluble,and hydrogonized carbohydrates are broken down in the small intestines by enzymes and absorbed into the blood stream as glucose.

structual carbohydrates-aka as complex, insoluble,and fermented carbohydrates are broken down by fermatation in the large intestines as Voltile Fatty Acids. Of these VFA's only "propionate" is used for glucose.

I find it interesting this was not mentioned



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Beth
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-03-26 8:02 PM (#39563 - in reply to #39140)
Subject: RE: What are some quality grain feeds that are low in Sugar and carbs?


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I am feeding Safe Choice also with beet pulp, some oats and oil. It has worked very well for me so far.  In a large coffee can I put in 1/3 oats, 1/3 Safe choice, and 1/3 soaked beet pulp.  I dump that in their bucket and top dress it with 1/2 cup of veg. oil.  They get it 2x a day.  If you don't want the oats then use 1/2 Safe choice and 1/2 beet pulp and oil.  Make sure the beet pulp is SOAKED, at least 1/2 hour.  Good Luck. 
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LazyDayHorseFarm. TN
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2006-03-26 8:48 PM (#39564 - in reply to #39140)
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Thank you for all the great advise. I have looked into that Nutrena Safe Choice and it seems to be just what I'm looking for. I'll also add the beet pulp to it. Now I just have to find someone that sells it around here. Hopefully that won't be too difficult.
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vicklynn
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2006-04-26 8:37 AM (#40949 - in reply to #39187)
Subject: RE: What are some quality grain feeds that are low in Sugar and carbs?


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Originally written by Judy K on 2006-03-21 8:42 AM

Hi - we've been using Nutrena Safe Choice for a couple years - its good for easy-keepers - low in sugar and carbs...recommended for founder-prone horses and those turned out on pasture - it is a pelleted form. Nice product and seems to be highly recommended.

 

Ditto. I use the same feed.  Low carbs ect.  Good quality food.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-04-26 6:13 PM (#40965 - in reply to #39140)
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I don't believe in giving my horses grain. I give it to my lactating mares. I use a little as a treat once in a great while. For the most part my horses just eat a good hay. I do use beet pulp, I think it broadens the vitamin and mineral intake beyond what hay offers.

Beet pulp is a good product. It contains more calories than hay, yet is very fermentable and highly digestable by horses. It doesn't produce the sugar high of grain product. 10 lbs of beet pulp contains about the same sugar as a couple of apples. Many commercial feed contain beet pulp as a major ingrediant. some horses gobble it right up, others may turn their nose up at first, but will develop a taste for it in a few days.

I feed beet pulp soaked most of the time. It's not neccessary to soak it first. Horses can chew the pellets, and the rumur of it swelling in the stomach and causing problems just isn't true.  My horses won't always drink when I want them to. But they will almost always eat beet pulp. So I use it to add water to my horse prior to long rides. I also soak it in hot water in the the winter and use it to add water to horses that are not drinking much in cold weather. It's also a great way to add other supplements to a horses diet. For example electrolytes before an endurance ride. I just stir them right in.

You didn't say why you wanted to avoid high sugar products. If you are trying to control or maintain weight, then Oils and Fats are not what you want. Oils/Fats are high calories. They help produce sustained energy. Where grains produce a sugar high for 20 minutes and then several hours of lows. Distance riders who are trying to keep a horse going for 6-8-10 hours want to avoid the highs and lows. Oils & fats  work well for this. Providing concentrated calories without producing a Hot Horse.  Gradually add oil to a horses diet. Top dress his hay or add to his beet pulp. Work up to a cup a day. Be careful not to let your oil go rancid.

Some high performance commercial feeds contain fats. Purina Athlete, Nutrena Empower etc. Depending on the makers, the fat often comes from stabilized Rice Bran. Which allows you to store the fat without it going rancid. Especially when stored in a hot shed in the summer.

Here is a great web site about horse nutrition in general and Beet Pulp.

http://shady-acres.com/susan/beetpulp.shtml

She comes from an endurance back ground and teaches equine nutrition.

 

 



Edited by Painted Horse 2006-04-26 6:45 PM
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