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Location: Indiana | In looking at used trailers, I never find the sticker weight listed. We would like to get a 4h LQ, preferably with bunks, but we don't want to be required to have a CDL. It seems that many (including law enforcement and AAA) are confused about trailer weight requirements, so to be safe, we would like our stickered weight to be under the 26,000lbs.Is this even possible with a 1 ton and a trailer that I described? Even on new trailer websites I'm having a hard time finding the sticker weight.Any thoughts or suggestions welcome!Thanks,Jennifer
Edited by jcsgsheesley 2014-01-22 9:46 AM
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Location: Ohio | You are going to have to get a very big LQ trailer to go over 26k. We pull a three horse slant, 15 ft short wall with slide. Empty weight 10k, loaded ~14k max. We pull with a 350 dually, not even close to 26k. |
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Location: Penrose, Colorado | max trailer weight sticker plus max truck and most will go over 26,000 they do not go by what it actually weighs unless you get scaled by a dot oficer. |
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Location: Indiana | That's what I was afraid of...they will go by sticker weight if you're not near a scale, you're up a creek. It's too bad you can't get an official card stating your loaded max weight to carry with you.That really is an unfair system because all the sticker weight is is the axel capacity rating :(So, do they make 4h lq trailers that are stickered at 14,000? |
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Location: Penrose, Colorado | my Dodge dually is 12,300 and our trailer is 19,900 if you buy a trailer with 6,000 or maybe 7,000 pound axels maybe, but then it depends if your truck is a one ton or a 3/4, the stickers tell the tale. |
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Location: Indiana | OK, what requires you to have a cdl then? That is the presenting question also...I've had people tell me that if I'm over 26,000lbs I need a CDL.That's not the way I read the DOT regs....so I was looking for some different info. |
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Location: Penrose, Colorado | a whole lot of it depends on the state and what kind of plates you have on your truck, Oklahoma with farm tags you are exempt from a cdl and if you LQ has an rv sticker next to the door from the mfg. you maybe exempt.Most people do not pay much attention to what you are asking and never have a problem, one thing you really do need is a cdl medical card and that is an easy thing to get for about anyone. |
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| My 3 horse with 14' SW weighs about 11,000 pounds before I put horses in it. I have no idea what my dually weighs. The trailer is actually titled at 6900 pounds...LOL |
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Location: Penrose, Colorado | does not matter what your truck or trailer weighs it is what the tag says for max.Inside the door on most trucks you will find the sticker and the tag on most trailers is in the hitch area. |
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Location: Los Angeles, Ca. | Best thing to do is to look on your state's DMV website and see what the rules really are. In California, a very restrictive state, you can DRIVE any two wheeled vehicle up to 26,000 pounds GVWR and TOW a fifth wheel trailer as well with a basic drivers license.Rules vary on GVWR of trailer.....up to 10,000..no problem. 10,000 up to 15,000.....a simple written test, over 15,000 requires a driving test as well for a non-commercial class A. They don't make you drive an 80,000 lb monster, just the vehicle you intend to use.
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Location: Los Angeles, Ca. | I meant two axle, not two wheel. Make sure trailer weight doesn't exceed truck capacity. (see your owner's manual) Trailer GVWR usually on a sticker mounted on trailer near gooseneck. Keep in mind that capacities assume that all parts are functioning properly i.e. brakes, controllers, tires. |
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Location: Arkansas | Our Diesel 4WD flatbed truck with Exiss Event 3h with 10' LQ with 2 mules about 1000 lbs and a 3rd smaller mule weighs on the DOT scales 23,560 lbs. Just an idea for you. |
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Location: Northern Utah | The 4H Logan with a 9' LQ that I had, Loaded with 4 horses and gear was about 14,000 and my Ford F350 was 8,000 empty. I used to cross the scales at 23,000 lbs full of horses, people, gear and water. None of the Port of entry that I crossed ever gave me a second look or asked for a CDL. |
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Location: Santa Fe, TX | I thought you only had to get a CDL if you were making money from pulling your rig/horses, hence the word "commercial". No CDL needed if just for pleasure.
Edited by TX Rebel 2014-01-24 9:30 AM
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Location: Rayne, LA | I was told the same thing about making ( or attempting to make ) money. If strictly recreational you do not need a CDL. |
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Location: Western WA | Don't trust dealer trailer weights, get your trailer weighed. Found out the hard way dealers sometime sticker LQ trailers with the weight of the shell before the LQ was added. |
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Location: Zionsville, Indiana | The only empty weight that a dealer has access to is the weight listed on the original Certificate of Origin by the manufacturer. I am 90% sure that if I weighed any trailer on my lot it would not match exactly what it says on the C/O. Some manufacturers use what they call a "bill of materials" weight. In other words, the trailer has X feet of steel/aluminum channel at X pounds per foot, etc. etc. I have often had the same cargo trailer models with different options like extra height on one unit, but the weights listed were the same. If you really want to know what something weighs, take it to the nearest truck stop or feed mill. They usually charge just a few dollars and will give you a weight slip. Several of the interior conversion companies that we have used will actually weigh a unit when it is finished, and that information is often found on the inside of a cabinet door. In short, a dealer can only pass along whatever information has been supplied to him/her. |
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Location: Western WA | To your point Kay, I'd much rather do business with a dealer that takes the extra step as you described and provides an actual trailer weight vs the BOM weight you described. Will have to file that question away to ask prospective dealers next time I am trailer shopping: "How did you obtain the trailer weight posted in the ad?" etc.Thanks for the insight. Much appreciated. |
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