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Location: idalia colorado | Hello, we just purchased a 2006 4 horse logan coach trailer, has midtack, and rear tack. we have a 2005 f350 and had to add heavy springs to carry trailer. we hauled a 2 year old colt and put him in the rear. had some hay and feed in stud area. my question, are all trailers with lq this heavy or did we choose a very heavy trailer? we are a little worried if we can pull it loaded.
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Location: Lander WY | Is your F350 a single rear wheel or dual rear wheel?? is the truck gas or diesel? In order to determine the recommended payload can you provide more information. Just curious have you weighed the trailer? |
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Location: idalia colorado | single wheel, 6.0 diesel haven't weighed it yet |
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Location: Lander WY | Originally written by judlang on 2013-08-21 2:15 PM
single wheel, 6.0 diesel haven't weighed it yet According to the specs your truck is rated at 3000lbs maximum payload (4x4 crew cab) unless you have the Payload Upgrade package.Specs Here: >>>>>>>https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/2005/vs_pdf/05fseriessd-exlbb.pdf ....................................Hope this helps..
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Location: idalia colorado | we upgraded the springs on the pickup so it doesn't sag at all when towing it. but are all trailers this heavy or is a logan coach extra heavy? |
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Location: Lander WY | Did you say how long the is? |
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Location: idalia colorado | 36 foot on the floor so 40 foot |
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Location: TN | How long is the short wall on your living quarters and mid tack? What is the width of your trailer? How many horses? I was told a rough estimate on the weight of a living quarters is about 500 lbs. per foot, so your living quarters can really add to the trailer weight. I pull a 4 horse Hart with a 6 foot weekender with a 2001 F350. My truck is totally original- no changes to anything- and I do not even know the trailer is back there fully loaded. Unloaded, my trailer weighs about 8500 lbs. My trailer is also only 6'8" wide. |
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | You need a dually for sure. I beat you are over you rear tire weight ratings. You need to weigh it empty, full of fuel and water. This will give you an idea. Yes, all LQ horse trailers can get heavy the bigger they are.
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Location: Texas | That is a big trailer. Go run your rig across the scales and get your total gross combined.... |
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Location: MD | All GN horse trailers are heavy on the "pin" because the axles need to be back under where the horses stand. Take a look at them vs a 5th wheel RV where axles are much farther forward. The result is a transfer of a lot more weight to the pin. |
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Location: idalia colorado | I think a 15 ft short wall. 4 horse,8 ft wide. |
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Location: TN | Way too much for a SRW truck, even with air bags! |
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Location: idalia colorado | Are all trailers this heavy? this one is steel frame with aluminum skin? |
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Location: Lander WY | Originally written by judlang on 2013-08-22 4:33 PM
Are all trailers this heavy? this one is steel frame with aluminum skin? Actually when we were looking at LQ trailer we passed on a trailer that was the size of yours due to the weight, we also have a SRW F350. |
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Location: idalia colorado | well we are certainly rookies at this.. but thought aluminum trailers wouldn't be that heavy, but this one is steel frame has to make it worse. thanks |
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Location: Laguna Hills, CA | that is a heavy trailer.
I have a 20 foot on the floor 4 horse from Cimarron so 28.6 nose to tail. All aluminum. I pull it with my f350. It is pretty heavy with the horses and all, but yours is really something. I would get it weighed like others suggest so you can have an idea of what you are up against and how that stacks up against your vehicles capacity. Terry. |
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | Originally written by judlang on 2013-08-22 8:58 PM well we are certainly rookies at this.. but thought aluminum trailers wouldn't be that heavy, but this one is steel frame has to make it worse. thanks The steel frame does not make it that big of a difference.It's heavier, but not by much if you look the total weight. 10-12ft short wall and above is dually territory. Weigh it and you will know what you got. An upgrade to 19.5" rims and tires will be in order. Won't help the stability or stopping power though. Exhaust brake will be money well spent. Hope you have all the querks of that 6.0 taken care of. This kind of weight will show every weakness the truck has. EGR/EGR cooler block off and head studs will be in order.
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Location: idalia colorado | thank you.. we are looking into trading off the trailer for a three horse. but want a good quality that will hold value. any suggestions? |
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Location: idalia colorado |  okay looking at a Hart, sundowner, trailswest, bison any pros and cons? |
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Location: high desert, CA. | I have a Trails West, 4h, with 8ft living quarters. It has a genset, air, mid tack, and mangers, 50 gals of extra water. We LOVE our trailer, but it is heavy for our 1 ton truck. Mine is a SRW also, and a long bed configuration, so much like yours. We do tow all over the place, mostly on the west coast, and to Arizona, Nevada,Utah, and to Oregon and Washington. You will need some kind of exhaust brake to tow in the mountains...either that, or you will be pushed down hill. Your tires and rims must also be up to snuff, or you will have a disaster when one blows out. People do not realize how much weight they pull, and get in way over their heads. |
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Location: idalia colorado | thank you |
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| Out of the ones you mention, Hart is good, the older Sundowners are good (I have a 2000 Sunlite that has held up tremendously well) but not sure about the newer ones, no experience with Trails West, and I would avoid Bison personally. When I was recently shopping, I was looking at older Bloomers ( word on the street is newer ones have been prone to axle issues), Platinum, Elite, 4 Star, and Cimarron. I bought a Cimarron and LURVE it! It's a 3 horse, 8' wide, with 14' SW and a ramp--weighs about 11,000 pounds with no horses or gear. Needs a dually, as the tongue weight is right at the limit on a 1 ton SRW. |
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Location: Lander WY | You have some fairly good dealers in your state. Scott Murdock near Ft Collins has always been fair to work with. From the map it looks you can throw a rock and hit Kansas and maybe wing the corner of Nebraska?? I personally like Bloomer, 4 Star, Platinum and Elite Trailers. In my opinion you are less likely to take as big of a hit, if you should trade or sell when you buy one of the trailers I mentioned. |
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Location: idalia colorado | thanks for all your help |
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Location: Texas | I love, love a mid tack. But knew that it also adds weight. I have my first rear tack, and have had to put my tack etc on a diet, which is a good thing. I too had a 4 horse for years, but rarely hauled 4, and only rarely 3, to use the first stall for feed etc. If you can go down both to no mid tack and 3 horse you will knock the weight down a bit. And sliders also add weight...... my dealer let me hook up the trailer I was buying and drive it over to the truck stop and weigh it before I bought it. Can not hurt to ask |
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Location: idalia colorado | yes we should have known , it was heavy. but hindsight is 20/20 right> so what size did you pull with your 350? |
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Location: Texas | I have a 3 horse Sundowner with 14' LQ. I ran it across the scales before we signed the papers, and I will be right at max with the truck. I do have dually, airbags, and it is 4x4. Also I have 6 speed manual transmission. Truck is 2001, when the gross combined was rated at 20,000. Newer trucks are 26,000 to 31,000 or so, depending on truck. |
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