Pickup\Trailer Weight - What do I need to Know?
blackcows
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2013-02-18 8:00 AM (#149983)
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Just got an 06 F-350 DRW as a pulling vehicle. In the past I haven't watched my weights as well as I should but I have always had big pickup and modest trailers so it has never been a concern. Now that I have a new pickup I would like to know what I can pull safely. I looked up some numbers for the pickup and found these:Curb Weight: 7101Max Payload: 5300Max GVWR: 13,000Max GCWR: 23,500So does this tell me that if the pickup weighs about 7100 pounds then I can pull a trailer that weighs 16,400 pounds max? Is the max payload what I can put on the back of the pickup? This pickup has a flatbed, how does that affect the numbers?
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Duckman
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2013-02-18 8:44 AM (#149987 - in reply to #149983)
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The GVWR of your truck(on the plate inside drivers door) plus the GVWR (on vin tag) of your trailer should be less than 26,000 or you will need a CDL license. I'd guess that your truck actually weighs around 10,000# but that won't matter if your ever stopped by DOT
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Duckman
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Posted 2013-02-18 8:54 AM (#149988 - in reply to #149983)
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Just wanted to add that any trailer that has 7000# or larger axles will probably have a GVWR greater than 14,000#. Any dually truck will have GVWR of close to 11,000# and thus the problem with DOT. They are really writing a lot of tickets for this violation, even though I think it's unfair. We need rural legislators to set up and get this changed or everyone pulling a trailer with 2-7000# axles will be in violation.( or have a vin tagged trailer with more than 14,000 GVWR on it) Please check your truck and trailer GVWR tags, as I think you'll be shocked.
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blackcows
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2013-02-18 9:04 AM (#149989 - in reply to #149987)
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Originally written by Duckman on 2013-02-18 8:44 AM

The GVWR of your truck(on the plate inside drivers door) plus the GVWR (on vin tag) of your trailer should be less than 26,000 or you will need a CDL license. I'd guess that your truck actually weighs around 10,000# but that won't matter if your ever stopped by DOT
Thanks for the reply, I will check them both this afternoon. Does the fact that the pickup has a flatbed added change anything?
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Duckman
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2013-02-18 10:12 AM (#149993 - in reply to #149983)
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I bet the GVWR rating was not changed even though you have a flatbed?  You said it was 13,000#, so your trailer GVWR should be less than 13,000 to be legal.
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blackcows
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2013-02-18 11:23 AM (#149997 - in reply to #149983)
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Just checked and my pickup sticker shows GVWR 13,000. Both my stock trailer and my horse trailer show GVWR of 14,000. The horse trailer has a front and back GAWR of 6084, the stock trailer shows a GAWR of 6,000. So do any of these numbers tell me what the trailers weigh or just what they can weigh loaded?
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Duckman
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Posted 2013-02-18 1:00 PM (#149999 - in reply to #149983)
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All your numbers mean is that your LQ trailer has 2-7000# axles and your stock trailer has 2-6000# axles. you need to weigh them for sure but figure 400#/ft of box length on the LQ and 300#/ft on box length on stock trailer and I bet you'll be close.
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Duckman
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2013-02-18 1:02 PM (#150000 - in reply to #149983)
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Sorry, I bet they both have 7000# axles.  You can easily pull these trailer, bu you are illegal without a CDL if you're ever stopped by DOT
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PaulChristenson
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Posted 2013-02-18 4:23 PM (#150003 - in reply to #149997)
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Originally written by blackcows on 2013-02-18 11:23 AMJust checked and my pickup sticker shows GVWR 13,000. Both my stock trailer and my horse trailer show GVWR of 14,000. The horse trailer has a front and back GAWR of 6084, the stock trailer shows a GAWR of 6,000. So do any of these numbers tell me what the trailers weigh or just what they can weigh loaded?
What is your truck's GCWR??? You may be exceeding it!!! If you are you may discover your insurance company using that as a way to renege on any claims...:( If you are ever stopped and weighed you'll discover you need a CDL and depending on the DOT officers, you made be put OOS on the spot!!! http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/06/cdl-blog-part-1-why-were-getti...

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blackcows
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2013-02-18 7:13 PM (#150008 - in reply to #149983)
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Paul,It's 23,500.
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PaulChristenson
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Posted 2013-02-18 9:29 PM (#150009 - in reply to #150008)
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Originally written by blackcows on 2013-02-18 7:13 PMPaul,It's 23,500.
Well if your truck is gvwr 13000 and your gcwr is 23500...the biggest trailer you can haul, by the documented numbers, is 10500...you may want to get your truck and trailer completely loaded and go get a REAL WEIGHT and see where you are...remember to include yourself and the passengers in the total weight.

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Posted 2013-02-18 9:31 PM (#150010 - in reply to #149987)
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Edited by hornet 2013-02-18 9:34 PM
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PaulChristenson
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Posted 2013-02-18 9:39 PM (#150011 - in reply to #149983)
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Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW)This is the vehicle's standard curb weight, plus an allowance for a standard amount of luggage, gas and passengers, as predicted by the manufacturer. Of course, your vehicle's actual weight will vary depending on how much luggage, gasoline, and passenger weight you have actually placed in the vehicle, so the GVW is an approximation. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)This is the maximum safe actual weight of your vehicle. If you exceed this weight, the vehicle's engine, transmission, brakes, and so on will be stressed beyond their design limits. Gross Combination Weight (GCW)This is the actual weight of your vehicle (GVW) plus the actual total weight (not the tongue weight) of your trailer. This number must not be higher than your vehicle's GCWR. Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR)This is the maximum safe weight of your combined vehicle and trailer. This weight includes all people, luggage, and other material. If your combined towing setup exceeds this weight, your vehicle's engine, transmission, brakes, and so on will be stressed beyond their design limits.

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blackcows
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2013-02-19 5:33 AM (#150019 - in reply to #150009)
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2013-02-18 9:29 PM

Originally written by blackcows on 2013-02-18 7:13 PMPaul,It's 23,500.
Well if your truck is gvwr 13000 and your gcwr is 23500...the biggest trailer you can haul, by the documented numbers, is 10500...you may want to get your truck and trailer completely loaded and go get a REAL WEIGHT and see where you are...remember to include yourself and the passengers in the total weight.
Isn't the GVWR of my pickup the total amount that it can weigh loaded, without a trailer? The 13,000 pounds isn't what it weighs but instead what it can weigh with a load on the back. The curb weight is 7100 pounds so even with 900 pounds of passengers and other stuff I should still be able to put on a trailer that weighs over 15,000 pounds. If I would be illegal with a 1 ton dulley and a 7 x 20 stock combo I would have to think 85% of the truck\trailer combos on the road were overweight. A 3/4 ton and a 24 foot stock trailer stuffed full of 1350 pound cows is pretty common around here.
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Posted 2013-02-19 9:11 AM (#150021 - in reply to #149983)
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Blackcows,  your answer is Yes. GVW is what your truck CAN haul.

I kinda suspect your curb weight of 2006 F350 Dually is more like 8,400 to 8,600 lbs. At least the diesel Crew Cabs 4x4 run in that range. If yours is gas engine, 4x2 regular cab maybe it's that light.  I know my 2006 when I had it was close and my  current 2011 SRW CC LWB 4x4 is 8400 lbs empty.  13,000lb - 8,600 =4,400lbs of payload.  Run it across a scale empty to see what you really weigh. And then make sure your trailers pin weight is not more than what payload you capacity you have left.

Typically you can license a vehicle up to any weight you choose, as long as it does not exceed the GVW and the GCVW  And you see those decals on the side of the truck with the Weights listed.  So if you your truck GCVW is rated at 23,500lbs and it weighs 8,600lbs then your trailer can weigh 14,900.  If 4,000lb of that weight is on the Pin, then 10,900 lbs can be on the trailer axles. Or any mix and match of weights as long as you don't exceed the trucks axles rating, the trailers axle rating or the combined axle rating.

Any DOT check will be with scales. Either at a Port of Entry or a portable scale on the road side.  Different states will limit certain roads to certain weights. Because of bridges or weight bearing material in the road structure.  You often will see Frost laws that allow big rigs to run heavier during the period that the ground is frozen and then be much lighter during the thaw period when the roads are subject to breaking up.  during those periods they actually look at the surface foot print of the tire and how much pressure per square inch of road contact.  For big rigs rated at 80,000lbs, this often means running at 60,000 lbs because they don't have enough axles to spread the weight on the road surface during thaw periods vs what the trucks GCVW rating is.  There are a lot of variables to be  considered.

 

 

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Duckman
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Posted 2013-02-19 2:07 PM (#150025 - in reply to #149983)
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Your missing the point I think. There is a huge difference in what your truck can handle and what's legal, according to DOT. A 3/4 ton pickup has a lower GVWR than a one ton dually and thus (technically) can pull a trailer with a higher GVWR. Those trailers with 7000# axles being pulled by a 3/4 ton truck are probably under 26,000 GVWR gross, while the same trailer pulled by a one ton dually is illegal. What a country!!!
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Posted 2013-02-19 10:39 PM (#150032 - in reply to #150019)
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Originally written by blackcows on 2013-02-19 5:33 AM
Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2013-02-18 9:29 PM

Originally written by blackcows on 2013-02-18 7:13 PMPaul,It's 23,500.
Well if your truck is gvwr 13000 and your gcwr is 23500...the biggest trailer you can haul, by the documented numbers, is 10500...you may want to get your truck and trailer completely loaded and go get a REAL WEIGHT and see where you are...remember to include yourself and the passengers in the total weight.
Isn't the GVWR of my pickup the total amount that it can weigh loaded, without a trailer? The 13,000 pounds isn't what it weighs but instead what it can weigh with a load on the back. The curb weight is 7100 pounds so even with 900 pounds of passengers and other stuff I should still be able to put on a trailer that weighs over 15,000 pounds. If I would be illegal with a 1 ton dulley and a 7 x 20 stock combo I would have to think 85% of the truck\trailer combos on the road were overweight. A 3/4 ton and a 24 foot stock trailer stuffed full of 1350 pound cows is pretty common around here.
Don't forget to include your diesel fuel in that total truck weight... the difference between your weighed gvw and your gvwr is what your tongue weight could be...BUT then you have to determine your REAR AXLE loaded capacity!!...like I said get a scale weight of your truck fully loaded...then hook up your trailer fully loaded and weigh that...as to others driving overloaded truck trailer combos...you do remember your parents famous statement...“Well if Johnny jumped off a bridge would you follow him?”...

Edited by PaulChristenson 2013-02-19 10:40 PM
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