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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? |
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Location: MD | Think they tried using the higher Ethanol in the midwest testing school buses and turns out the stuff freezes. They couldn't get them started in winter. Don't have that option around here but would never use it anyway. |
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Location: NY | what a way to make money making fuel that will kill your car |
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Location: Vermont | The Environmental Protection Agency gave permission for the sale of E15, a gas blend containing 15% ethanol, in 2011. While the blend is approved for vehicles manufactured after 2000, auto-makers fought the approval fearing that the higher ethanol content would cause engine damage, Reuters noted.
According to the AAA, only 5% of light duty automobiles currently operating in the U.S. have received manufacturer approval to use E15. The standard blend of gasoline — known as E10 — permits just 10% ethanol content in gasoline.
A number of auto-makers have announced that they will not cover engine damage caused by E15 use under their vehicle warranties, including Nissan (PINK:NSANY), Toyota (NYSE:TM), Fiat‘s (PINK:FIATY) Chrysler and Volkswagen (PINK:VLKAY)
Roughly 10% of U.S. gas stations currently sell E15. The AAA wants the government to halt its use before it becomes more widespread.
Increasing the ethanol content in gasoline blends was intended to help fuel producers meet federal ethanol use targets, which require ethanol use to grow from 13.2 billion gallons annually, to 15 billion gallons in three years. |
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Location: North Carolina | This ethanol issue just makes me angry... I don't buy gasoline, I buy energy to run my vehicle. Ethanol cheats me out of energy since I buy it by the gallon instead of BTU. I own vehicles more than 20 years old. Ethanol has already cost me $$ in fuel related problems. (fuel pump, injectors, hoses, strainer, level sender, so far ..) Gov't mandates in the marketplace are good for the few, bad for the many. Examples... mandates shuttered the last US light bulb plant, increased electricity costs by subsidies for renewable energy, increased diesel costs by EPA rules, increased telephone service costs by paying for free obamaphones, plus more too many to list. |
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Location: North Carolina | Originally written by retento on 2013-01-11 7:00 AM I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? Retento ... You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline. http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by hosspuller on 2013-01-12 2:36 PM Originally written by retento on 2013-01-11 7:00 AM I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? Retento ... You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline. http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html If that's the case, there's alot of pumps in North Carolina that are not labeled... |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by retento on 2013-01-12 5:24 PM Originally written by hosspuller on 2013-01-12 2:36 PM Originally written by retento on 2013-01-11 7:00 AM I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? Retento ... You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline. http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html If that's the case, there's alot of pumps in North Carolina that are not labeled...  http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u563/khfduramax/moto_0055.jpg
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Location: Vermont | http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u563/khfduramax/moto_0054.jpg Just a little out of date...
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Location: Missouri | Originally written by retento on 2013-01-12 5:24 PM
Originally written by hosspuller on 2013-01-12 2:36 PM Originally written by retento on 2013-01-11 7:00 AM I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? Retento ... You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline. http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html If that's the case, there's alot of pumps in North Carolina that are not labeled...
In Missouri, they changed the law so the fuel stations aren't required to display the percent of ethanol.
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Location: western PA | You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline.
In upstate NY are many marine, snowmobile and RV dealers, that specialise in selling ethanol free gas. It is also 91 octane. You will find them in almost any tourist area.
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by hosspuller on 2013-01-12 2:36 PM Originally written by retento on 2013-01-11 7:00 AM I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? Retento ... You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline. http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html
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Location: North Carolina | Originally written by retento on 2013-01-12 2:24 PM Originally written by hosspuller on 2013-01-12 2:36 PM Originally written by retento on 2013-01-11 7:00 AM I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? Retento ... You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline. http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html If that's the case, there's alot of pumps in North Carolina that are not labeled... Retento .. Maybe in your area E-10 is rare. According to the state, 95% of NC stations sell E-10. New labeling rule took effect only 6 months ago (June 1, 2012). Previously, E-10 labeling was not required. The mandate is percentage based. But, ethanol is cheaper to produce than 100% gasoline. Just like watering drinks when the patron isn't looking... In this case, NC consumers were blinded by their legistlature. Previous sessions had allowed the labeling requirement to expire. http://www.ncagr.gov/paffairs/release/2012/05-12Ethanol.htm |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Two stores near me with gas without ethanol, one is 87 and the other is/was 93 octane.. Old country store a mile east of me HAD premium 93 gas with no "E-10" ... He's been unable to get that same fuel for about 2 months now, that's what we had been using in the Benz until he ran out, got the pump nozzles bagged. I guess that may be part of the slight drop in mileage now that we've been buying fuel all over, alot of 92 and 91 octane rather than the 93... http://pure-gas.org/station?station_id=8908 The other store is across the river from me carries 87 octane, I don't do business with them..... LOL!! Don't see any Bio-diesel around here in my area, filled up in Asheville a while back with some B-20... Truck seemed to run OK.
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by hosspuller on 2013-01-13 8:28 AM Originally written by retento on 2013-01-12 2:24 PM Originally written by hosspuller on 2013-01-12 2:36 PM Originally written by retento on 2013-01-11 7:00 AM I try not to use E anything... Don't really like the bio-diesel thing either... See what it has done to grain, fertilizer, farm land and farm equipment prices.... Wonder why horse feed is sky high..?? Retento ... You can't avoid E-10. It is mandated in all gasoline. http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html If that's the case, there's alot of pumps in North Carolina that are not labeled... Retento .. Maybe in your area E-10 is rare. According to the state, 95% of NC stations sell E-10. New labeling rule took effect only 6 months ago (June 1, 2012). Previously, E-10 labeling was not required. The mandate is percentage based. But, ethanol is cheaper to produce than 100% gasoline. Just like watering drinks when the patron isn't looking... In this case, NC consumers were blinded by their legistlature. Previous sessions had allowed the labeling requirement to expire. http://www.ncagr.gov/paffairs/release/2012/05-12Ethanol.htm North Carolina - NC (House Bill 187 passed in 2011 now requires labeling but "not enforced".) How had is it to place a "STICKER" on a gas pump...?!!
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Location: North Carolina | Found this formula. As you can tell by the price points it's dated, but just double the per gallon number to get close to current prices. How much should you pay for E10 and E85?
If regular gas is $3.00/gallon you should pay
$2.90 / gallon for E10 (10% ethanol).
$2.13 / gallon for E85 (85% ethanol).
If regular gas is $2.00/gallon you should pay
$1.93 / gallon for E10 (10% ethanol).
$1.42 / gallon for E85 (85% ethanol).
Then you will be paying the same amount per mile driven. The formula is this: For EX, where X is the percent ethanol Ethanol price should = Gasoline price times (100 – X + X/1.52)/100 Notice that 100 – X is the percent of gas and X/1.52 is the percent of ethanol adjusted down by about 2/3 because it has less energy. |
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Location: michigan | Ethanol is not cheaper to produce than gasoline. There is a federal subsidy that lowers the cost but head to head..its more expensive hence the federal subsidy.Keep in mind this is the same government that mandated low flow toilets to save water ( you end up flushing twice) the same government that mandated mercury filled light bulbs and the same government that will now take over your healthcare..good luck |
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Location: high desert, CA. |  AMEN Farmbabe!Calif. has mandated all fuels to be ethanol percentage by 2010!And a note to the wise....If you put Bio-diesel in your car/truck...It desolves and suspends the "sludge" from diesel and water mixing. So, you MAY find youyr filters plugged with slimy black gook, and even those $1000 dollar apiece injectors plugged in your high pressure rails. Yes, it does burn nicely, and sometimes even smells better, but if your fuel system has had any condensate from water in the atmosphere, ( and how do you stop the atmosphere?), you need to have always run Bio to avoid that. |
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