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   Location: MI. | Didn't know where to put this so, our neighbor is moving into a subdivision and offered his tractor which is a 2007 3840 Montana for $8,000. It has 97 hours, hogger, bucket, diesel, four wheel drive, it is just like this one below. Do any of you know any pros and cons with this brand? http://www.ludensinc.com/catalog/tractors/montana_3840_compact_util...
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      Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | How hard are they to get parts...? http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/003/4/5/3458-montana-3840.html http://www.lstractorusa.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LS_Tractors Rather have a 10 to 20 year old Ford/New Holland, Deere, maybe a Kubota ... |
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       Location: western PA | The CUTs are incredibly helpful. However they are only as good as the support of them you will need after the sale. You will eventually need spare parts and servicing components. As a new owner, questions about the tractor's operation will invariably arise, and the longer you own the tractor, the more accessories you will want. A local stocking dealer is essential, one with a record of having been in business and selling this product for several years. Owing an orphan is not a cost savings, when it become unoperational and can't be easily repaired. I would suggest also shopping for comparable tractors under well known brands. They may be a little more expensive to initially purchase, but their reliability and ease of servicing, could be less expensive overall during your ownership. |
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   Location: MI. | Thanks |
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        Location: North Carolina | Looks like Montana tractors are no longer a current brand. Parts availability will not be easy as I like ... From website : http://www.montanatractors.com/custompage.asp?pg=tractorsinaction Effective January 1, 2011 Montana Tractors, LLC transitioned from a Tractor and Implement Distributor to a Parts, Service and Warranty Company.
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        Location: Vermont | . http://store.montana-tractors.com/ Since they are out of business in the US...how long this will continue is anyone's guess and whether or not there will be permanent out of stock parts is unknown...
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   Location: MI. | Isn't Kubota pretty close to the Montana? Mechanically they are similar, Mitsubishi.
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      Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by Gone on 2012-12-06 8:21 AM
Isn't Kubota pretty close to the Montana? Mechanically they are similar, Mitsubishi. Nope... Whole different animal. Kubota builds their own engines, chassis, tins, etc. All built in house. A Kubota is a Kubota, not some other grey market tractor with the Kubota name and paint. http://www.kubota.com/product/grouptractors.aspx Another is Kioti, all built in house using all Daedong Industrial engines, chassis and parts. http://www.kioti.com/ |
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       Location: western PA | All of the major tractor companies have models of that size, and have similar specifications in HP and function specifications. Kubota for some time, had more individual models of the CUT than the other manufacturers. Because of their popularity, new models from every brand are now appearing almost daily. You can now easily purchase similar sized brands, with differences in HP, transmissions, and accessories to exactly suit your needs. Again, local knowledgeable dealers are the key to a successfull ownership. Pricing is a major consideration in any purchase, but so is the brand name reliability, access and ease of use. You will find what seems a disparity in brands' pricing. American constructed brands sell for more than the Asians that are assembled over seas. In our area, Kubota, John Deere and New Holland are the most popular brands. In others you will find Kiota and Mahindra also have a good following. I bleed orange, having owned Kubota equipment for almost 35 years. I presently own 3 of their products and have found them to be ideal for my usage. My first tractor purchased new, was kept for just under 30 years, when I traded it for a similar sized unit with a hydro static transmission. At that age, on a trade in, the used tractor returned 65% of the price I originally paid. Just like a car or any expensive product, shop around. Talk to owners of the equipment, go to Tractor BY Net and research all the questions and answers of every brand. When you find what you need, then see a dealer about pricing. As is usually the case with other products, he may be trying to sell you what he has and not what you need. Knowing as much about the tractors as you can before you see the dealer, will make your purchasing experience much more beneficial. |
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   Location: MI. | We have been looking at older Deers, Fords, and Kubotas. Pushing our budget to $9500 and it still is not quite enough.....ugh! |
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    Location: Sumas Washington | Stick with a major brand, Parts can be a killer for those that do not have a dealer-distributor network in place. I used to work as a mechanic in a Kubota dealer, went to Kubota school to learn the product. I have all the confidence in the world for Kubota tractors,parts and the service network. You will find Kubota engines in many applications, from generators in expensive RVs to powering boats. JohnDeere has to have a near equil tractor and a excellent parts network. IMHO |
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by Gone on 2012-12-06 10:36 AM
We have been looking at older Deers, Fords, and Kubotas. Pushing our budget to $9500 and it still is not quite enough.....ugh! What are the tasks you need performed by said tractor?Do you need the ability to lift a specific max amount of weight with the FEL?Do you own a working farm? |
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   Location: MI. | Lifting large round bales, auger, moving dirt, hogging etc. The one we have now is an old 8n.
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    Location: Valentine, NE | Have you looked into a Ford? I have a 5610 with loader ~2k hours that sure does everything around here. Handles 1600 lb round bales just fine. Would be in that 7-8500 range. The transmission is not quite as smooth as some of the others, but it sure works for me. |
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by Gone on 2012-12-07 10:42 AM
Lifting large round bales, auger, moving dirt, hogging etc. The one we have now is an old 8n. If you are lifting large round bales you want a larger tractor...if just for safety sake...FEL capacity drops dramatically when you get into the Compact Utility Tractor sizes... |
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    Location: Tenn/Ala. | "Do you own a working farm?" he asks.....
It works the bejeebers out of me- does that count for anything? |
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by RTSmith on 2012-12-07 3:26 PM
"Do you own a working farm?" he asks.....It works the bejeebers out of me- does that count for anything? If you have a working farm, i.e. you are filing a schedule F...then you can DEPRECIATE the cost of your tractor against your income...which increases the actual amount available for tractor purchase...and ther are several 0% loan deals for new tractor purchases...
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   Location: MI. | Not a working farm, do not want any payments. I'll just keep looking...... |
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    Location: Valentine, NE | If you can find your state department of roads website for surplus equipment, they typically have 60-90 hp tractors and loaders with 1500-2000 hrs for sale and most are in that 8-10k range. Most of the time, they are very well maintained. Paint can be a little rough as they typically store them outside, but mechanically, they are sound.
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        Location: North Carolina | Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2012-12-07 11:28 AM Originally written by Gone on 2012-12-07 10:42 AM
Lifting large round bales, auger, moving dirt, hogging etc. The one we have now is an old 8n. If you are lifting large round bales you want a larger tractor...if just for safety sake...FEL capacity drops dramatically when you get into the Compact Utility Tractor sizes...  Moving & lifting round bales on a FEL is Definitely not a CUT job. Although the bale may weigh only 500 - 800 pounds the center of mass is 2 to 3 feet away from the spear plate. If you're using a bucket, the situation is even worse. Roll-over is scary (if you survive) and expensive. |
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        Location: North Carolina | Durn site won't let me edit after 3 minutes... Re-reading your post... you mentioned LARGE round bales. Like 1200 pounds ?? or 4x5 or larger ? No way I'd use a montana 3840's FEL. Maybe a spear on the rear 3 point. But not the FEL. |
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    Location: Iowa | I have a S185 Bobcat. 2003 model. Bought it used for $16,000. The darn thing is really handy in tight places, but it's also tippy. Thats the part I don't like about it. It's big enough to handle large bales. Then sight becomes a problem. So I back up alot. So I don't know what the answer is. I would like to have a compact tractor, but then Im back to the FEL won't pick up a 1500# or better. |
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       Location: western PA | These will work on a three point system with a lower center of gravity than when using the FEL: http://www.agrisupply.com/three-point-bale-spear/p/65054/&sid=&eid=BR%2520GL11209/ |
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   Location: MI. | http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/grq/3312566657.html
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   Location: MI. | Haven't inquired yet. |
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   Location: MI. | I just inquired on the Massy. Look at this one too! http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/grd/3380836763.html |
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      Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by Gone on 2012-12-09 3:10 PM I just inquired on the Massy. Look at this one too! http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/grd/3380836763.html[/QUOTE] That would be a good price for a 100 pto horsepower diesel powershift... But this is a cold natured gas with I'm guessing a 8 speed syncrorange.... Hard starting in the winter and you'll be forever tinkering/cursing the gear shifter... Looks like it has a few leaks, see the drip pan underneath on the concrete... If it has a powershift transmission, may be well taking a look. That's probably a 1964-1967 model, 1968 was the first year for the side console and oval muffler. Edited by retento 2012-12-09 3:59 PM
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       Location: western PA | JD 4020 ?????? I thought the OP wanted a CUT |
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   Location: Nashville, TN | I have a Kubota 30hp tractor and wouldn't consider trying to move round bales with it...not near enough tractor. If you are working on ground with any slope...forget it. I use my 1990 Case 1840 skid steer three times as much as I do the tractor. It will lift 4X5 bales with no problem, get in and out of tight spots, and moves dirt 10X better than a tractor. If someone told me I had to sell one or the other...the tractor would go. |
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   Location: MI. | http://centralmich.craigslist.org/grd/3453591423.html |
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   Location: MI. | Too small for 800 pound bales on the front? We use a rear spear which is fine but we would like to stack rounds if possible. |
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       Location: western PA | If you are going to use a FEL, you will want a 4 wheel drive tractor. Two wheel drives cannot provide the traction and steering capabilities, that a 4 wheel drive can when the FEL is loaded. Rear wheel weights, liquid filled tires and weight boxes, will not compensate for the lack of front wheel drive. Some of the older tractors that have had FELs added, do not have power steering. It is a necessity when the FEL is loaded. Also, when a FEL is added to a tractor that originally was not designed for its usage, the weight capacity of the front axle becomes critical. There has been instances when the axles have failed after the FELs were installed. Many 25 -30 HP 4 wheel drive CUTs, can typically move and carry in excess of 1200#. I have done it quite often over the last 35 years. Purchasing a tractor designed and equipped from the factory for using a FEL, will result in a more stable, reliable and safe usage, than trying to update an older tractor. |
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   Location: MI. | This is frustrating...... |
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       Location: western PA | Gone, if you have time to go through some of the forums on this site of the various manufacturers, you will find a wealth of information about the compact utility tractors; the good, bad and other. http://www.tractorbynet.com/ |
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        Location: Vermont | These four sites will help you find a tractor... http://www.tractorhouse.com/ http://www.fastline.com/ http://www.machinefinder.com/ http://www.ironsearch.com/ |
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