trailer tire blow out/tire pressure
mchew
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2011-11-15 10:39 AM (#138931)
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I had a trailer tire blowout over the weekend while we were traveling on the interstate. I thought the tires looked low before I hit the road and added air to them. The tire pressure gage I have doesn't go up high enough to register the pressure for the trailer tires so I just added air. Now I'm wondering, could I have added too much air and caused it to blow out? Sorry, I don't remember what the pressure is supposed to be at. Also, I was traveling with two other women and none of us had changed a flat tire before, let alone a trailer tire. Two observations - we thought we would use the truck lug wrench, which didn't work and were totally panic stricken that we had no idea what to use. Finally in a moment of inspiration we looked at the hand crank for the jack ( trailer is s GN, Exiss Event) and that IS the lug wrench as well. The other thing is we were really glad we had a Trailer Aid and didn't have to use a jack. It took us less time to change the flat than it did to find the lug wrench. LOL. Marisa
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-11-15 11:15 AM (#138932 - in reply to #138931)
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One way to ensure a safe trip is to have the correct tools to support your travels. They would include a proper air pressure guage, tools for a tire change, and a basic tool set for ancillaries. They are available at any Walmart, auto, hardware and big box stores. You will feel much more secure in your travels, knowing that you have the knowledge and tools to handle most routine maintenance items.

Proper tire pressures are critical. Over or under pressures will greatly decrease a tire's life span and carrying capabilities. They can endanger your life and those of your prized possesions. A visual check cannot determine a tire's suitability. Only by accurately measuring the actual pressure, and knowing what it should be, can you determine if your trip will be safe or not.

Proper maintenance is critical to your safety, peace of mind, and wallet. A few well spent minutes will enhance all of them.

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2011-11-15 9:22 PM (#138939 - in reply to #138931)
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What Gard said...and remember to check your tire pressure when the tires are cold, i.e. not having traveled yet...

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mchew
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2011-11-16 5:53 AM (#138942 - in reply to #138931)
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mchew
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2011-11-16 5:55 AM (#138943 - in reply to #138931)
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the tires are 80R16 - so doesn't that mean 80 lbs of pressure? my tire gage only registers to 65 lbs, which is why I don't use it. Am I way off??
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Posted 2011-11-16 6:32 AM (#138944 - in reply to #138931)
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mchew......buy a tire gauge that goes up to at least 125 psi. I keep one in each truck. A gauge that only goes to 65 psi on a horse trailer rig is worthless! You can buy them just about anywhere....Walmart, Autozone, RV places, to name a few.
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Posted 2011-11-16 8:42 AM (#138952 - in reply to #138943)
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Originally written by mchew on 2011-11-16 2:55 AM

the tires are 80R16 - so doesn't that mean 80 lbs of pressure? my tire gage only registers to 65 lbs, which is why I don't use it. Am I way off??

You ARE way off ..  (Gently ... lol)

The 80R16 is part of the tire size.  There should be a number in front of the 80

Look at the tire side wall again.  There is a max inflation pressure molded in.  That is the cold inflation pressure you should use.

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-11-16 8:45 AM (#138953 - in reply to #138943)
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[QUOTE]Originally written by mchew on 2011-11-16 6:55 AM

the tires are 80R16 - so doesn't that mean 80 lbs of pressure? my tire gage only registers to 65 lbs, which is why I don't use it. Am I way off??

NO! That number is for the sidewall profile series. If you carefully inspect the sidewall area, you will find a series of numbers that will read, " max inflation xxx psi, max loading xxx#s, number of plies xx, ply rating xx". The max inflation number is what you are concerned with for now.

You may in fact have an "E" rated tire, which does use a maximum of 80 PSI. But the numbers you referenced are the designation for the tire size. You will need to purchase a guage that covers the 80 # pressures range your tires may use.

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mchew
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2011-11-16 10:25 AM (#138954 - in reply to #138931)
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The tires are actually "D" rated. Will pick up a better pressure gage this weekend.
I just called the tire shop to make sure they have a replacement in stock before I drive into town. They do, but it is an "F" rating and said it would be fine to use with the other tires. any input? I think "E" is the lowest rating you should have and the rating increases the higher the letter? They quoted me a price of $90 installed - I thought that was pretty good.
thanks for all the help - I really appreciate it!
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-11-16 12:25 PM (#138956 - in reply to #138931)
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$90 per tire doesn't seem right. I would recommend replacing your tire with a 16' truck LT radial tire, not a ST trailer tire. And at that price, I can't help but wonder if it's a Chinese brand, which I would not champion under any circumstance.

A quality American made LT tire in an "E" range, is usually in the $150 -$200 pricing, unless you like Michelins which are about ~20% higher. Yes, the higher in the alphabet, the more ply ratings of which the tires are constructed, and theoretically the higher the load rating they will carry.

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Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2011-11-16 2:16 PM (#138957 - in reply to #138931)
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I would just about be willing to bet that the "F" rated tire in question is a Carlisle...if so RUN RUN far away. Do NOT I repeat DO NOT put a Carlisle tire on your trailer. JMHO.
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Posted 2011-11-16 2:30 PM (#138958 - in reply to #138931)
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F rated tires will have a higher rating and run higher air pressure. The problem with mixing them is that somebody may look at the tire and see the 100 psi listed on the tire and assume that is the same for all the tires on the trailer.  You might then over inflate the other 3 "E" rated tires.  It's scary to mix and match tires.

The other concern is that if the "F" tire shows a higher pressure and you inflate the tire to that pressue, You may over pressure the rim.  Most rims just are not rated for 100 or 120 psi tires.  When you upgrade a trailer to "G" tires for example, You usually also upgrade your rims to a stronger wheel. The minimun is that you usually replace the standard rubber valve stem with a metal valve.

The point being, that some body could read the side of the "F" tire and assume the pressures listed on the side of the tire are safe and try to inflate the tire to those levels.

As far as the price, I've bought 235/85r16 michelin tires and once in a great while the tire dealer has given me a screamin deal at $100.  So the $100 price doesn't automatically make it a bad tire, But in general Gard is correct that quality tires in that size will probably be higher.

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Posted 2011-11-17 10:09 AM (#138971 - in reply to #138931)
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If you don't already own on, buy yourself any early Christmas present in the form of a high quality cordless impact wrench.  Include impact sockets to fit both your trailer and your truck.  Carry an extra battery with you also. 

I purchased one for my wife several years ago (DeWalt); along with a Trailer Aid; because she goes solo or with gal friends more than when I can go.  It makes tire changing pretty effortless with that impact wrench.

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Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2011-11-17 10:57 AM (#138972 - in reply to #138931)
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that is a good idea I got a breaker bar and truck type star
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-11-17 11:01 PM (#138985 - in reply to #138931)
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You can purchase a two foot (25"), 1/2" drive breaker bar from Harbor Freight for $10-$12. It makes the 100 # of torque any easy possibility.
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Posted 2011-11-18 10:33 AM (#138986 - in reply to #138931)
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Gard -     The ST235/80R16 LRE tire is rated at a higher load capacity than the LT235/85R16 LRE tire.  It also has a little different sidewall construction than the LT.  It is made specifically for trailer use while the LT is a truck tire.  The ST 16" tire was not available until just a few years ago.  The ST 15" tires have been in use on trailers for many years. 

Differences in brand and quality apply to all sizes.  Most new horse trailers and many of the higher end utility trailers with 6k or larger axles are coming through with the ST235/80R16 LRE or LRG tires.  There is little cost difference in the aftermarket between the ST and the LT tires, but we cannot buy one for resale for $100.  I would be suspicious of a mounted 16" tire for $100 or under and would assume that it is a low quality import.

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Posted 2011-11-18 5:18 PM (#138987 - in reply to #138986)
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I prefer the LT tires over a ST tire for a few reasons: Most ST tires are speed rated, many at a velocity less than the speed limits of most interstate roads. If a blowout occurs at any higher speed than its rating, the manufacturer can claim it wasn't at fault. It's like a U Haul trailer that has marked in larger letters, "max speed 55 MPH" as it is seen being pulled down the highway at 70 MPH. The second is availability. Most tire shops in our area don't stock ST tires, and if they do, the sizes are limited, and the manufactures are usually a choice of one.

There has been often a controversy over the sidewall construction of ST tires when compared to LT tires, with the ST advocates claiming to have superior side wall strengths. I offer a couple of examples. How much stress do you think the front tires' sidewalls of a diesel pickup encounters, when the wheels are turned at speed? What happens to the rear tires of a pickup when a BP trailer is being pulled, and the truck stops or slows whilst in a turning situation? What happens to the sidewalls when the truck is loaded with a full sized camper and is hit by sidewinds, or the bow wave of an oncoming tractor trailer?

In all of these instances, the LT sidewalls maintain a stable footprint and do so reliably for tens of thousands of miles. For anyone to say that when they are installed on a trailer, they can no longer maintain these capabilities, would be a disservice. A trailer doesn't turn as sharply as the pulling vehicle, generally has a lower center of gravity when its loaded, and has two axles close together reducing the shock of a hole or dropping off the pavement. A truck has support only at each end, and the tires are subject to more individual loading and terrain differences.

Upgrading from a "D" to an "E" range tire will increase its sidewall stiffness, and its weight carrying capacity. One advantage of the 16" LT tires is the wide availability of various aspect ratios, and the way you can purchase different tires for your individual needs. An 80 series tire can often be replaced with a 75 or 70 series tire. The lower sidewall heights will increase the sidewalls' resistance to flexing, albiet at a slight cost in ride quality. The widths can also be altered, increasing the weight capacity and its capability. The lower and wider the tire, the more capacity it offers.

LT tires usually provide many miles of reliable service, often dying of old age before they wear out, when they're installed on trailers. I have heard of very few trailers encountering blow outs, after the ST tires were replaced with LT tires. Yet it is not uncommon to hear of continual problems with ST replacements, even when they were replaced with better brands.

I beleve this was caused by both, speeds in excess of their designs, and the heavier sidewall constructions. When a tire is loaded, the heat travels from the thread to the sidewalls, and then to the bead. The sidewalls and the bead areas are the heaviest contruction of a tire. Once the heat travels to these areas, it can't escape and builds up. If it continues, the tires will overheat. This will cause the sidewall carcass to delaminate and results in a blow out.

The LT tires are intended for higher speeds, and are made to flex with less heat build up, resulting in a reliable opperation. These tires are made by many reputable American manufactures, and are widely available from many sources.

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Posted 2011-11-18 5:47 PM (#138988 - in reply to #138971)
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jim bob, do you recall which one you got?  They have several listed.
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loveduffy
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Posted 2011-11-19 12:03 AM (#138991 - in reply to #138931)
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WOW that is a lot thank you Gard for the information

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Posted 2011-11-19 10:33 AM (#138993 - in reply to #138987)
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Wow, thanks Gard, that makes me feel better about the LT tires I just put on my trailer (I think??) To make a long story short, we had 3 blowouts on the original tires on our LQ trailer (2007 Elite 3HGN w/ 6' LQ) a few weeks ago driving from the Houston area to Cedar Lake Equest Camp in Okla. We had 2 horses, hay, feed, tack, etc & tires were all between 75-80 psi. I'm estimating the max wt on the trailer tires was around 10K. Needless to say it was a nightmare & we ended up getting all new tires during the process. We went with the Michelin LTX MS2 tires LT235/85/R16 load range E (and they were not cheap!!). The original tires were Uniroyal Laredo in the same size & load range. Turns out the Uniroyal tires had a manufacture date of 2001 so that means our custom-built 2007 model trailer had tires on it from the manufacturer that were already 6 yrs old! Anyway, I was having doubts on our choice of replacement tires & whether or not we should have gone w/ an ST tire. Also found out during the process (after our new tires had arrived at the tire dealer in Heavener) our trailer wheels had a sticker on them saying they were rated for 100 psi. So now I'm thinking maybe we should've paid the extra $$ for the Goodyear G614 tires??? I sure hope these Michelins will be OK....- Lisa

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Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2011-11-19 2:32 PM (#138994 - in reply to #138971)
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That's a great idea in regards to the Dewalt. What model would you reccommend. I went on line looking at the Dewalts but they have so many models. I drive an F450 and a Bloomer 4H trailer. Thanks
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Posted 2011-11-19 6:23 PM (#138996 - in reply to #138987)
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Originally written by gard on 2011-11-18 5:18 PM

I prefer the LT tires over a ST tire for a few reasons: Most ST tires are speed rated, many at a velocity less than the speed limits of most interstate roads. If a blowout occurs at any higher speed than its rating, the manufacturer can claim it wasn't at fault. It's like a U Haul trailer that has marked in larger letters, "max speed 55 MPH" as it is seen being pulled down the highway at 70 MPH. The second is availability. Most tire shops in our area don't stock ST tires, and if they do, the sizes are limited, and the manufactures are usually a choice of one.

There has been often a controversy over the sidewall construction of ST tires when compared to LT tires, with the ST advocates claiming to have superior side wall strengths. I offer a couple of examples. How much stress do you think the front tires' sidewalls of a diesel pickup encounters, when the wheels are turned at speed? What happens to the rear tires of a pickup when a BP trailer is being pulled, and the truck stops or slows whilst in a turning situation? What happens to the sidewalls when the truck is loaded with a full sized camper and is hit by sidewinds, or the bow wave of an oncoming tractor trailer?

In all of these instances, the LT sidewalls maintain a stable footprint and do so reliably for tens of thousands of miles. For anyone to say that when they are installed on a trailer, they can no longer maintain these capabilities, would be a disservice. A trailer doesn't turn as sharply as the pulling vehicle, generally has a lower center of gravity when its loaded, and has two axles close together reducing the shock of a hole or dropping off the pavement. A truck has support only at each end, and the tires are subject to more individual loading and terrain differences.

Upgrading from a "D" to an "E" range tire will increase its sidewall stiffness, and its weight carrying capacity. One advantage of the 16" LT tires is the wide availability of various aspect ratios, and the way you can purchase different tires for your individual needs. An 80 series tire can often be replaced with a 75 or 70 series tire. The lower sidewall heights will increase the sidewalls' resistance to flexing, albiet at a slight cost in ride quality. The widths can also be altered, increasing the weight capacity and its capability. The lower and wider the tire, the more capacity it offers.

LT tires usually provide many miles of reliable service, often dying of old age before they wear out, when they're installed on trailers. I have heard of very few trailers encountering blow outs, after the ST tires were replaced with LT tires. Yet it is not uncommon to hear of continual problems with ST replacements, even when they were replaced with better brands.

I beleve this was caused by both, speeds in excess of their designs, and the heavier sidewall constructions. When a tire is loaded, the heat travels from the thread to the sidewalls, and then to the bead. The sidewalls and the bead areas are the heaviest contruction of a tire. Once the heat travels to these areas, it can't escape and builds up. If it continues, the tires will overheat. This will cause the sidewall carcass to delaminate and results in a blow out.

The LT tires are intended for higher speeds, and are made to flex with less heat build up, resulting in a reliable opperation. These tires are made by many reputable American manufactures, and are widely available from many sources.

Well gard and I are actually in agreement about something.  Typically ST tires suck.  Reality is an ST tire has to pass very lenient tests to receive its rated capacity, compared to a LT where the testing is much more strenuous.  The actual testing specs can be found at the FMSCA web site; http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=571.109   and   http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=571.139 

Essentially it boils down to the ST being rated at a greater % of it's failure limit.  Sort of like a rope with a breaking strength of 10,000 lbs will have a general working limit of ~4000 lbs, BUUUT when used as climbing gear (life line) it would only be rated at 1000 lbs.  In this case the LT is the life line.

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Posted 2011-11-20 5:19 PM (#139009 - in reply to #138931)
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While in the tire shop, have them look at how old the other tires are, and make sure they are not getting to an age that they should be replaced
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Posted 2011-11-21 11:35 AM (#139018 - in reply to #138931)
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For about $260 I bought a tire pressure and temperature monitoring system for my trailer (4 sensors). I used it this weekend on a 900 mile round trip and so far really like it.
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Posted 2011-11-22 2:50 PM (#139045 - in reply to #138931)
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Some info I seen on Discount Tire website... http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTrailerTireFacts.dos

 Looks like something submitted to them from Carlisle Tire.... Several statements that sticks in my mine are.

  • Time and the elements weaken a trailer tire.
  • In approximately three years, roughly one-third of the tire's strength is gone.
  • Three to five years is the projected life of a normal trailer tire.
  • It is suggested that trailer tires be replaced after three to four years of service regardless of tread depth or tire appearance.

Wish I could find a LT225-75R-15lrD light truck tire with a smooth non-agressive tread.

 

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Posted 2011-11-22 4:40 PM (#139046 - in reply to #138931)
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http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgcom/tire-selector/tire-detail.page?searchType=name&tireName=long-trail-t-a-tour
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Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2011-11-27 9:49 AM (#139136 - in reply to #138931)
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I usually travel by myself and meet friends for vacations so being prepard for a blow out is important to me.

Last year I had a blow out and some of the tips I received from this site I felt was helpful.  The best one for me was to have a shovel so I could put it under the tire to help lift it up.  I don't think  I could have done it by myself with out it.  I also purchased a heavy duty lug wrench and have a pipe to extend it.  Loved my trailer aid! 

I also purchased emergency triangles since the trailer I bought is 8ft wide so I could be legal.  Was very glad I did because I was on a Missouri highway with no shoulders and didn't have an option to pull off the highway and had to change the tire on the highway.  It was the quickest I've every changed a tire and was very thankful I was prepared.

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Posted 2011-11-27 11:14 PM (#139145 - in reply to #139136)
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My God,I would have needed a dozen Xanax's or the equivalent of them when I was finished!!! Bet it looked like Jeff Gordon's pit crew.
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