PSI when changing from P to LT?
irishchick
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-09-21 8:16 PM (#137756)
Subject: PSI when changing from P to LT?


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I have searched and read, I promise. I just "upgraded" my 4Runner tires from passenger to light truck, load range E, thinking it would be safer for my horse (am I right, or did I waste my money?). (BFG All-Terrain TA KO...thanks Gard!). I kept the same size (265/65/R17). My door sticker says 32 PSI for the OE tires, and the BFG tire sidewall says "max load XXX at 80 PSI." I've read everything I can find on here and elsewhere about the door-sticker vs tire sidewall PSI debate. BFG said "ask Toyota," Toyota said "follow the sticker," and Tirerack said "probably 40-50 PSI." To me, it makes sense to run the PSI that corresponds to the load you're actually carrying at the time (right?). I found this great handout that makes clear that LT tires need a higher PSI than P tires to carry the same load. http://nittotire.com/Content/pdf/Replacing%20Tires%20on%20Light%20T... few years ago, someone got the following load/inflation table from BFG for these tires in my size:
max load/PSI:1765/35 1935/40 2105/45 2270/50 2420/552570/60 2755/65 2865/70 3005/75 3085/80"(from here: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-277678.html
But when I try to calculate what I actually need, it comes out as way *less* than even the 32 PSI indicated for the original P tires for both curb weight and GVWR (curb weight ~4700 with me and my stuff; GVWR 6005; divided by 4 to get load per tire). What am I doing wrong, and what PSI do I actually want? (And why is it that neither BFG nor Toyota seem to know the P vs LT difference?)Thanks so much for your help, everyone. It makes me feel much better about hauling my horse knowing that all of you experts are here for advice.
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irishchick
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-09-21 8:17 PM (#137757 - in reply to #137756)
Subject: RE: PSI when changing from P to LT?


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WHYWHYWHY don't my paragraph breaks show up? They did on preview. Sorry.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2011-09-21 8:42 PM (#137760 - in reply to #137756)
Subject: RE: PSI when changing from P to LT?


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Without a chart, load/inflation is more or less linear.  To make the GVWR of 6005, is ~1500# per tire.  The tire has a max load of 3085, 1500/3085 = 49%.  49% of 80 psi is 39 psi.  I would round up to 45 psi and call it a day.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-09-21 10:40 PM (#137762 - in reply to #137756)
Subject: RE: PSI when changing from P to LT?


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CS may be pretty close on his 45PSI rating. I would keep an eye on the sidewall deflection when you are loaded, and if possible try to borrow a non contact temp guage. An underinflated tire will over flex the sidewall, cause an overheating condition and possibly delamination as a result. If you have a normal deflection and reasonable temperatures, the pressure may be apropros. If both are high, the pressure should be raised another 10 psi and the tires then re-evaluated.

You now have tires that can provide more load capacity than you need. It will take some experimentation to determine the correct pressure, providing the best compromise of protecting the tires, load capacity, and the vehicle's ride quality.

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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2011-09-22 5:46 PM (#137788 - in reply to #137756)
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Better make sure your wheels can handle whatever PSI you plan to go with. If you are using your OE wheels, they were designed for a tire with a max PSI of 35. They can probably handle far more, but better safe than sorry.
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calamityj
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2011-09-22 6:08 PM (#137789 - in reply to #137756)
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We know how horrible a blowout can be. We had tires that were only four months old with few miles on them, set with the proper PSI and load range at 14 ply/110 PSI...  they were Wanli tires, we bought them in Springfield, MO. at a well known tire shop... they are trash!!! We were near Robber's Cave in Oklahoma when it blew... I actually thought someone had shot a huge gun at us. We had to order (overnight) four new  Hancook 14 ply with heavy load range 3,280# per tire. $$$! Then we had to ship the bad tires to Joe's Tire in Springfield... where the sun didn't shine, to get credit for them. It wasn't a happy experience. Make certain you are covered. Our hobbies are too big of an investment to skimp on tires.

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irishchick
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-09-22 7:26 PM (#137792 - in reply to #137788)
Subject: RE: PSI when changing from P to LT?


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Originally written by headhunter on 2011-09-22 3:46 PM

Better make sure your wheels can handle whatever PSI you plan to go with. If you are using your OE wheels, they were designed for a tire with a max PSI of 35. They can probably handle far more, but better safe than sorry.
Would you explain more about this please? Does this mean I have to get new wheels if I want to upgrade my tires?
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2011-09-29 12:39 PM (#137928 - in reply to #137756)
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You fill your tires to what the TIRE SIDEWALL states
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2011-09-29 7:46 PM (#137938 - in reply to #137928)
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2011-09-29 12:39 PM

You fill your tires to what the TIRE SIDEWALL states

Not a real good plan when she has 'uprated' her tire considerably over the OEM spec.  Aside from the poor handling that will come from an 80 psi tire on a 4000lbs vehicle, it is almost certain the wheel is not rated for 80 psi and could fail (explode) if inflated that high.

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2011-09-30 1:24 AM (#137948 - in reply to #137938)
Subject: RE: PSI when changing from P to LT?


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Originally written by chadsalt on 2011-09-29 7:46 PM

Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2011-09-29 12:39 PM

You fill your tires to what the TIRE SIDEWALL states

Not a real good plan when she has 'uprated' her tire considerably over the OEM spec.  Aside from the poor handling that will come from an 80 psi tire on a 4000lbs vehicle, it is almost certain the wheel is not rated for 80 psi and could fail (explode) if inflated that high.

Yep...and underinflated tires lead to the FORD EXPLORER situation...
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irishchick
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-10-04 12:18 AM (#138034 - in reply to #137756)
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Will someone please explain to me the difference between a wheel and a tire for PSI purposes? (And how to find out what my wheels can handle--nothing in the manual and no one I can find to talk to at Toyota has a clue).Thanks very much!(Was it a good idea for me to upgrade from P tires to LT/load range E? If my wheels can't handle the difference, it seems like it wasn't....)
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-10-04 7:52 AM (#138035 - in reply to #137756)
Subject: RE: PSI when changing from P to LT?


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You shouldn't have to worry about your stock rims or valve stems. Because it would not be realistic to run your new tires at their maximum rated pressure of 80 PSI, and instead, using a lower figure in the low to mid 40s, the stock OEM wheels will be sufficient for that purpose.

Your new tires have a considerable capacity advantage over the stock P radials they replaced. By not using all of their capabilities, you should not notice a great deal of change, in your day to day ownership of them.

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irishchick
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-10-04 10:05 AM (#138040 - in reply to #137756)
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So are they providing me any more stability than the stock P tires for the loads I do carry?
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2011-10-05 12:06 PM (#138073 - in reply to #138040)
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Originally written by irishchick on 2011-10-04 10:05 AM

So are they providing me any more stability than the stock P tires for the loads I do carry?

 

IMO, not really.  The "P" tire paranoia stems from back when "P" tires went on cars.  A P265/65/17 tire is not, and never was a car tire.  With the prevalence of 44 psi rated "P" suv/light truck tires there is going to be very little noticeable difference in handling, considering the ~45 psi is also the appropriate inflation in the LT tire. Granted the LT tire carcass is heavier and stiffer, but essentially the air is what supports the load.   Additionally the lower profile of the 65 series provides increased stability of the tire to begin with, vs the "P" of days gone by.
 
I had the BFG A/T TA on my Trailblazer (I needed the off road traction) great tires ran 70K plus before they expired.  I ran 42 psi per BFG, and my own calculations.  There was little difference in handling, slightly more "thump" over road imperfections.  Didn't make it a sports car by any means.  A friend we ride with has a 1/2 ton and just had to have the "E" tires this time around, she runs 50 psi and her observations were similar to mine.  Neither of us regretted the decision, but it would come down to best price if I did it again.
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irishchick
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-10-05 3:15 PM (#138077 - in reply to #138073)
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Thanks! So far at 48 PSI the ride seems smoother, but it seems more responsive to corrections (as when moving back to the middle of the lane)--i.e. the same degree of turn as before is an overcorrection now. Hmmm.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-10-05 4:35 PM (#138078 - in reply to #137756)
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Any "P" metric tire is rated as a passenger tire, regardlesss of the vehicle on to which it is mounted. It is commonly given a load index rating at 35 PSI and an equivalant of a four ply rating. The widths and aspect ratios will vary, and give correspondly different load ratings. The "P" series tires are often used on SUVs and Cross-overs to offer a comfortable ride on open roads. Generally, a majoriety of these vehicles are never be taken off the road, so the ride factor is generally favoured by the manufacturers and purchasers, over constant high loading factors.

Generally, a tire with a lower aspect ratio will offer better handling, because it lowers the amount of side wall flexing, and improves the vehicle's response especially in braking and cornering. However, the stiffness of the side wall will also determine how well a vehicle will respond. Typically the greater the sidewall strength, the more resistant the tire is to flex, even when aired down to lower pressures.

A LT tire has a far higher sidewall stiffness and load factor than a passenger tire. Lt tires in "E" range are given a load index rating at a 65 - 80 PSI. Even at a pressure in the mid 40's, you can expect to see the noticeable difference in handling you are now experiencing. The "P" metric was running near to the top of its load range. The LT tire is running only in the middle of its range.

Once you have established a tire pressure that is adequate and the tread is wearing evenly, you should enjoy both a high degree of security and a comfortable ride.

 

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