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Location: Central Arkansas | ok folks, my LQ trailer has two 8000# axles. The title states unladen weight as 10,000. What would be the estimated allowable weight for this trailer? |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | The GVWR should be stamped on the serial number tag along with each axle rating and tire size and rating.... My 4 Star six horse head to head has two 8000# axles with a GVWR of 18???#. Can't remember the exact numbers, but it's eighteen thousand and some odd pounds. |
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Location: Central Arkansas | Retento, how long on the floor is your 6 horse? |
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Location: Central Arkansas | My plate says GVWR 16000. But, I always thought that you add another 20% to the combined axle rating for total amount. |
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| Mine says that too. However I ran it across CAT scales just about month ago now and I was 30,800 and I was half full of fuel. Dodge 3500 2wd 2010 model. Trailer weighted 22000 by itself with 4 horses. 16' lq bloomer, 33' on floor. So you cant always go by the gvwr as your true weight or the title. I have had a ton of trailers. I had a four horse elite with 10' that weighted about 12k empty. My current trailer weighs about 14.5 empty. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by brushycreekranch on 2011-08-01 5:55 AM
Retento, how long on the floor is your 6 horse? 32 foot on the floor. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by threeman on 2011-08-01 6:30 AM
Mine says that too. However I ran it across CAT scales just about month ago now and I was 30,800 and I was half full of fuel. Dodge 3500 2wd 2010 model. Trailer weighted 22000 by itself with 4 horses. 16' lq bloomer, 33' on floor. So you cant always go by the gvwr as your true weight or the title. I have had a ton of trailers. I had a four horse elite with 10' that weighted about 12k empty. My current trailer weighs about 14.5 empty. WOW!! What"s the pin weight on that Bloomer fully loaded? Does your Bloomer have 17.5 wheels? |
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Location: Central Arkansas | I guess I will just have to drop it on the scale to make sure. I have it for sale here on horse trailer world and I want to make sure I am giving the right information to folks. My trailer does have 17.5 Alcoa wheels. |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by brushycreekranch on 2011-08-01 6:18 AMMy plate says GVWR 16000. But, I always thought that you add another 20% to the combined axle rating for total amount. A gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum allowable total weight of a road vehicle or trailer when loaded - i.e including the weight of the vehicle itself plus fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.
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| I'd be curious to know what it actually weighs empty? I've always estimated a big LQ will weigh from 350-400# per foot of box. Please let us know. |
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| Sorry, I see in your ad the trailer weighs 16,800. Guess I was way off, that's over 500# per foot of box. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by Duckman on 2011-08-01 2:47 PM
I'd be curious to know what it actually weighs empty? I've always estimated a big LQ will weigh from 350-400# per foot of box. Please let us know. You could probably add that 350-400# of LQ weight (tanks, plumbing, tile, cabinets, etc.) to the box weight that's already there... |
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| Here you go. Loves CAT Scales Greenwood LA Exit 3 I20.
4 horse 16' lq. Duster conversion, 17.5 tires new Kumho 18ply 125psi, 10' haypod (11 bags feed, 8 bales hay, 12 bags shavings, misc other junk), tack full 4 saddles, mangers stuffed, lq stuffed for five week excursion, back bed of the truck had no room. Spare trailer tire, two 70qt coolers full, wheel blocks (6x6 post blocks), a table, several water hoses. Front of the truck loaded as well three freakin women and all their crap in new dodge 3500 2wd with alcoa wheels. Did well until head winds in Amarillo slowed things down. Ran as hot as 222 pulling up hill. Winds were at 30mph regularly at 100 to 107 degree temps. Fuel worst: 8.2 best 9.9 All running however i wanted. Avg 75. Open road 80. Rolling down hill however fast it would go in NM.
Combined 30820
Trailer Axle 16905
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Originally written by threeman on 2011-08-02 12:44 PM
Here you go. Loves CAT Scales Greenwood LA Exit 3 I20. 4 horse 16' lq. Duster conversion, 17.5 tires new Kumho 18ply 125psi, 10' haypod (11 bags feed, 8 bales hay, 12 bags shavings, misc other junk), tack full 4 saddles, mangers stuffed, lq stuffed for five week excursion, back bed of the truck had no room. Spare trailer tire, two 70qt coolers full, wheel blocks (6x6 post blocks), a table, several water hoses. Front of the truck loaded as well three freakin women and all their crap in new dodge 3500 2wd with alcoa wheels. Did well until head winds in Amarillo slowed things down. Ran as hot as 222 pulling up hill. Winds were at 30mph regularly at 100 to 107 degree temps. Fuel worst: 8.2 best 9.9 All running however i wanted. Avg 75. Open road 80. Rolling down hill however fast it would go in NM. Combined 30820 Trailer Axle 16905 Drive Axle 8865 Front Axle 5050 You were about to mash that Ram..... What went with your 4400 Navistar..?? |
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Location: Penrose, Colorado | our trailer weighs a little less than 10,000 empty, it has 2 8000 axels and the gvw tag says 19016 max. Our 550 truck is 19500 hmm when this is added together it is 38516 pounds guess I should get a CDL. |
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| Dodge has air bags to help with the ride. to be honest it rides drives and handles pretty dang good. I have an 08 that does just as good of job.
The 4400 was fine nothing wrong with it at all. 570 engine would pull like hell but it sucked fuel and rode like crap at 72-80mph. Hard to ride on interstate and make time without alot of vibration. Changed tires, wheel balancers, alignements, you name it. Never rode great at that speed. Would fly without a load even felt like it would out run some cars from red light to red light. Bottom line is it was big, didnt pull any better than the dodge, drank more fuel, and rode like a wagon compared to a 1 ton at higher speeds. Probably just mine but hey it was mine. Would i buy another one well dont know may if price was good. Probably would buy a longer frame pete with a 600cummins or more for sure. I want to be able to cadillac at say 75 and the truck not be straining. Then they ride good and dont drink fuel so bad. So for now I will use what I have and it does a super job. The 4400 would STOP is the entire reason I had it. The dodge is great as long as the brakes on the trailer work. I have hydraulic brakes on the trailer. Disc brakes from dexter or kodiak work well I have had both. NEVER buy a heavier trailer without them is my suggestion. then you will always wonder why you never had them before. they will slide the tires to a stop if you want. |
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| Originally written by kooner on 2011-08-02 2:46 PM
our trailer weighs a little less than 10,000 empty, it has 2 8000 axels and the gvw tag says 19016 max. Our 550 truck is 19500 hmm when this is added together it is 38516 pounds guess I should get a CDL. I need one two according to weighing my trailer but I am good at playing stupid so I goin with that for now. |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by threeman on 2011-08-02 4:15 PM Originally written by kooner on 2011-08-02 2:46 PM
our trailer weighs a little less than 10,000 empty, it has 2 8000 axels and the gvw tag says 19016 max. Our 550 truck is 19500 hmm when this is added together it is 38516 pounds guess I should get a CDL. I need one two according to weighing my trailer but I am good at playing stupid so I goin with that for now.
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Location: Central Arkansas | My trailer weith of 16,800 was with the water, tack, scooter in first stall, clothes, food, and all the freebie mags picked up at the show the week before. My horse rode to show on the trainers trailer. I weighed the trailer on a CAT scale at the truck stop by the 4 Star dealer in OKC. I dropped the trailer after weighing the whole rig first. Got yelled at by the trucker behind me for dropping the trailer on the scale. He was such a jerk, I just dropped it back on the ball, pulled it off the scale, then hooked everything up and took my dear sweet time doing it! My hubby reminded me that I had weight tickets in the console, since I mentioned that I needed to stop at a scale to weigh after I had some service work performed. |
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| Its cool. I know im over and really its BS that we are having to abide by CDL laws. NO ONE can explain why we are having to do so either. Its not because we are pulling a trailer. Here in FL snow birds are everywhere, they also are using prevost buses to pull a bike trailer or a car to run around with. Still its a trailer. Run that Prevost over a scale. It also has air brakes. I now have no air brakes and that is one reason I am glad I dont have the 4400. Just another loop to jump through is what it is.
The dumbasses in washington sure are heck are not going to help they cant even figure out why our govt has no money. Local guys are to busy trying to suck up to them so they cant see any light. So some guys will tag this debate under another bill and we will have CDL requirements coming sooner than later. Anyway you look at it its another tax. Taxing more is not the answer. Fixing the screwed up system is. I have an employee that gets back about 9k each year. He pays in less than 3. Another guy I now paid 0 in and got back 18k?????? That is why its broke.
So for now I will tow when I can play dumb and go from there. I sure as hell dont see me going to Iowa anytime soon either. TX and OK were doing this couple years ago but have slowed down a bit. |
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Location: Central Arkansas | I have always been told that if you are fully self contained and not for hire, then you are an RV. And RV's are exempt from CDL laws. Yet, I have to put weight tags on my truck even though it doesn't have air brakes? |
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Location: MO | We wondered why the used trailer we bought had "not for hire" on the back.... |
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Location: Western Ar | Brushycreek; call Little Rock DOT after about a day of trying to find the number and you finally get through you will thourghly be confused. And let me forewarn you ;do not ask what you need to do to be legal. I carry the RV endorcement on our trailer and good to go; except If at anytime i haul to a show and if I win any amount of dollars I would be required to have DOT and CDL. All these trainers have been running under NOT FOR Hire and she stated that they were going to start cracking down on that reason; They are hauling customers horses to shows and are then classfied as commercial. She stated that if you put your farm name on the truck or trailer you were then required to have DOT Stickers and cdl. I stated that i had another question and she said that was #5 and how many more did I have. Tax Dollars at work. I promise you you call up there and you will get a completely different set of answers. I called to check on getting a DAV tag on a flatbed i was considering buying they said no way . In apprxx 3 months a friend of mine bought a flat bed to pull his trailer and presto got his DAV tag on it. |
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Location: Western Ar | In Arkansas by DOT's statements you can run the biggest semi with the longest custom horse trailer that is legal and as long as you do not use it for anything but pleasure you do not have to have a CDL or DOT stickers. But it has to have that RV endorcement on the trailer. |
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Location: Western Ar | Brushycreek; What I have been told on the tags; If you are running a flatbed; then yes you have to run farm tags with weight classifications; however if you are running a truck that has a factory bed on it you can run the same tag that a passenger car uses. If you call DOT god forbid do not ask them what you need to do to be legal in other states. whew |
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Location: Central Arkansas | I am pretty sure that you will get a ticket in AR and most all surrounding states if you pull a trailer thats put your combined weight over 10K #, when running a non - weight tag. That's if you get caught! I was told the same thing when I first moved here. But, it was NOT accurate infomation! Been there, done it, and wrote the check to pay the fine! They did go easy on me since I had just moved here and the trailer carried a TN Semi tag. It was a fully self contained LQ trailer but they argued that the truck was NOT licensed to carry the weight. The fact that it was considered an RV didn't factor into the equation at all! In the state of AR, your tow vehicle must be licensed to carry the CGVW of both the truck & trailer it tows. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! Doughbelly wrote:however if you are running a truck that has a factory bed on it you can run the same tag that a passenger car uses |
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Location: Western Ar | Lol; See what I mean; I do not doubt what you said at all. not sure what my exact weight is on the data plates but my combined weight fully loaded is just a little over 25'500 # and they stated I was fine with the regular bed pick up with the DAV tag. |
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Location: Western Ar | Not doubting you at all; but look at some of these Camper trailers with tri axels going down the road. Check out Turkey Track Festval and none of those will have a tag other than a regular tag |
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Location: Western Ar | Just shows how screwed up these people are. |
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