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![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: Edwards Ms | My husband has an 05 super duty with 150k miles sometimes lets it go about 7000k without a oil change but its usually every 5000 ......it has never needed oil between changes used rotella for a while but started using motorcraft a couple years ago. I think I would be concerned if it started using oil.....I have a 96 Tbird with around 180k change my oil every 3000 miles never used any oil!!! |
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![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: Farmington, IL 61531 | I have a 2001.5 Dodge 2500 with 290,000 miles on it. I bought the truck new and I have changed the oil every 3500-5000 miles. The truck has never used any oil, I don't ever recall the oil level even going down on the dip stick. My only comment would be Made in the USA, wish I could say the same about the new Ford motor. I pulled new RV trailers for awhile and I can tell you the drivers with the Fords and GMs carried extra fliuds of every description with them. I am a dyed-in-the-wool Ford man but I only recently purchased a used 2007 Ford F450 because I was not satisfied with the service or lack of service I received from the local Dodge dealer and I did not want a Made in Mexico engine. |
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![1000](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/1000.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: MI. | ![](http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/emoticons/icon_mrgreen.gif) Originally written by docgj on 2011-03-09 12:34 PM I think its a GM thing. LOL Sorry I could not resist. docgj Don't Ford diesels take like 16 quarts of oil? :)
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) Location: Valentine, NE | Several things to add for my 2 cents. First, in my professional training, all engines use oil and IMO, that is a good thing. In the combustion process, oil is used to lubricate the piston rings, as the pistons receede, oil is left on the cylinder walls and then is burnt when the chamber ignites--same thing with the valves. When the oil level does not change between changes, usually, if you get the oil checked by a lab, the fuel and contaminate level of this oil is usually higher that oil from an engine that has "used" oil to a point. These contaminates are what keep the oil level constant. We always sent in our large equipment oil for analysis and the ones that used oil (to a point) always came back with less contaminants. Most pan sizes are made to eliminate having to add oil between changes but depending on load, temps, age, etc, it can all impact usuage.
Another thing is that on the dip stick, some engines have a lot more tolerance before it is "low". If your dipstick has a larger max to min level, (this can depend on location of the dipstick, pan size, etc, etc.) you never have to add oil. I do not know the difference between the vehicles mentioned but on large equipment that can hold up to 20+ gals, it takes several gallons before you hit the min. level.
On a new piece of construction equipment we just got, the first few oil changes, the oil level actual became above the max level within 200 hour change interval. In analysis, we were concerned with contamination, but found normal conditions..my guess is that is we was burning mostly #1 diesel and had above normal fuel contamination due to that and the piston rings not yet being seated. Just a guess.
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![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: MO | Don't Ford diesels take like 16 quarts of oil? :) Yeah - for the hydraulic injectors. The don't burn it! :-) |
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we use synthetic blend.....my typo WHY are you using a blend??? Either use the full syn. or regular oil. Your duramax should NOT be using oil at 70-k miles at all! I was ol' school about oil until I did some research on Amsoil so I jumped into with both feet (now I can buy it wholesale here local) and changed my Dodge (6.7 Cummins with NO EPA stuff) to Amsoil full syn. and the Amsoil filter, what a difference it makes. Better fuel mileage for sure! |
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Rotella T was recommended. If this isn't a suitable oil, I'll change it. It used about 1 1/2 quarts this time. Weird because this is the first time this has happened. I'm holding my breath because the truck has been running really good without any problems. I understand about using what is recommended, just wanted to know why the blend syn. instead of full syn.? Like I mentioned earlier I was old school about oil and always used Rotella until I researched the syn. oils, I only took me a year to make up my mind about changing to the syn., but I will always run it now. Your next post about winter being the problem, I would say no I would think summer would cause more troubles with oil loss than winter. Are you 100% sure you do not have any leaks and it is getting full when you chnage it? Just asking cause on my Dodge if I do not let the drain into the engine about 15min. before checking it, it will show full before it actually gets full. |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: Ohio | Originally written by hogtownboss on 2011-03-11 3:19 PM Are you 100% sure you do not have any leaks and it is getting full when you chnage it? Just asking cause on my Dodge if I do not let the drain into the engine about 15min. before checking it, it will show full before it actually gets full. Maybe I overlooked it, but does the truck have any check engine lights on? I would check around the valve covers, headgaskets, sensors that go into the block, turbo, oil filter, oil pan, and where the engine and transmission meet for any oil residue, but it really sounds to me like you've got an internal leak. Do you know the condition of the turbo? If it's in need of repair, that could be a good oil burner. When I change the oil on our Fords, I'll do the same. Fill to "full," run it for about 15 min and check again. Fill as needed. Never "used" any of the 15 quarts of oil though. :) The only truck I had that used oil was an old dodge with a 318. It had almost 170,000 miles and bad valve seats -- it smoked like a freight train. Still ran good though. |
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![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![100](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/100.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) ![25](https://horsetrailerworld.com/forum/images/decorations/multiple/25.gif) Location: Sumas Washington | I am a diesel mechanic by trade, and have overhauled many many diesel engines. I drag race and have built 8-10 high performance drag engines. So I have some basic knowledge of how engines work. The good news is, Your Duramax probably will not hurt itself with the oil consumption you see. The bad news is, This is NOT normal for a diesel engine with so few miles, Your GM dealer and area rep WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU. The reason that they say that this oil use is "Normal" is so they don't have to overhaul your engine under warranty. Sorry to have to say so, but this is a pattern for GM, Both with the larger gas engines, 6.0 and 8100's are notorious for oil use. And the Duramax diesel. As a mechanic this seems to be a parts and machining problem. The problem is that when your truck is out of warranty and then starts burning LOTS of oil GM will deny that there was ever a problem and you are stuck with a $10,000 bill for a new engine. Even if they know of early issues you will be denied coverage. I would consider trading up to one of the newer trucks and pass on the issues to someone else. IMHO
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According to our alldatadiy information, it says that you need to change the oil every 8,000 miles. We change it every 6,000 and rotate the tires as well. Well, we used almost two quarts of oil which I am told is normal for a Duramax. Any other diesel owners out there experiencing the same thing? Why? There aren't any leaks so it must be getting burned????? It has 72,000 miles on it. Here is something you can check your self, then we will know more about your engine. First with the truck running remove the oil cap and pull the dip stick out a few inches or so. What you need to look for is any smoke coming from either location. If there is then turn the truck off and open up the air box and look into the intake tube going to the turbo and see if there is any oil in it. Let me know what you find and we will go from there... |
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