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   Location: Illinois | I am looking into getting a generator to take along when trail riding when no power is available...I would like to hear the pros & cons of the type you all have..and any recommendations of where to get the best deal...like everyone funds are tight and I want the biggest bang for my buck..preferably one as quiet as possible..THANKS |
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       Location: Northern Utah | First off look for an Invertor type generator. They provide a cleaner sine wave type of power that any high tech device will require ( flat screen TV, Microwave, Cell phone chargers etc) I personally like Honda or Yamaha. I bought the Yamaha EF2400is. Because it has 2400 peak watts and 2000 constant watts. The A/c in most LQs need around 1800 watts to start up. So the Yamaha 2400 will start and run the A/C. While the Honda 2000 is just a little to small. The next step up for Honda is the 3000. Which if you can afford it and don't have to move it, Is a great choice. The Yamaha 2400 is 72 lbs. The Honda 3000 is 135 lbs. So it's a One man vs two man job to load and unload . |
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     Location: Georgia | My choice is two Honda 2000s paralleled together. Each weighs 47 lbs and easily moved by most folks. I went with this set up because it will run everything in my trailer (maybe not at one time!) and I can handle the gens by myself. A little more expensive than the one 3000 but works better for me! |
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        Location: Vermont | http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/generators/content.aspx... |
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 Location: Miami, FL | This is what I use (Yamaha EF3000iSE/B) & it's quieter than the Hondas:http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outdoor/products/modelhome/444/0/home.aspx |
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      Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | I use a Yamaha inverter as well.... Hour meter is broken and it has better than 1500 hours of hard run time, not real sure how many hours it has now. No problems with it other than a battery replacement and the hour meter quit... I use Mobil 1, 10W30, full synthetic engine oil. http://www.yamahagenerators.com/yamaha_generator_ef3000iseb_pr_18.html |
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    Location: Ohio | I am using a Generac inverter gen. iX2000. Nice and quiet, although not as quiet as the Honda. I bought it off Craigslist new unopened box for $350. For the price, I couldn't pass it up and I'll deal with the couple db's more than the Honda. This gen runs at 56 db @ 21ft (self tested) at its quietest stage which is very comparable to the Honda, however, when its highly loaded (microwave) and the engine kicks up to its highest stage is when it is noticeably louder than the Honda, but it is still quieter than a standard briggs & stratton or those little 2 stroke gens. There's been mixed reviews on them, but I've ran it pretty extensively this year and it starts on the 2nd pull every time. I know they are (new) about $400 cheaper than the Honda. Keep an eye on Craigslist. Honda, Yamaha, Kipor, Generac, etc are commonly on there in my area. You'll spend extra for an inverter gen, but its worth it. |
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      Location: Decatur, Texas | Ours is a Cummins/Onan P4300ie (just an over sized Honda 3000ie). And we lok it, but it is not a one person generator. But we got a heck of a deal on it last year (was almost 1/2 of what the Honda was). Money talks! |
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        Location: North Carolina | "...quiet as possible..." means an inverter type generator. I took my home back-up generator to a well known endurance ride last year. Everyone was camped door to door in a field . I was too embarrassed to run it because it was SO LOUD. This year I got a Honda 3000i It IS heavy, but here are my purchase reasons: When camping, it stays in the bed of the truck. I use the tractor to lift it and there it stays. A security cable to the GN hitch break-away loop helps keep it there. No five fingered discount, it'll take four arms besides a cable cutter. The electric start is very nice when I'm tired after a ride or just groggy in the morning. Sound level is a function of the percentage of rated load. A 2400 watt generator running at 100% is louder than a 3000 watt generator running at 80%. Two 2000i ' s will need a tank kit or several fuel fills to equal the runtime of one 3000i tank. Lastly, SHOP and Bargain... I was able to get my Honda locally for less than the best internet price. It seems that construction supply and equipment rental places also sell the Honda. |
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   Location: Illinois | Thanks all... Hosspuller, tell me this, when the generator is in the bed of the truck...is the noise level amplified because it is in the truck and not on the ground...do you have it sitting on rubber? I have been places where generators are in use and they have them sitting a fair distance away from the trailers using long cords...am I wrong in thinking the longer the cord the harder it is to get full use/effect out of the generator..I understand the purpose to have them away from the trailer ( noise) ..but having it sitting in the bed of the truck ( if your hooked up) and having the generator running under your bunk seems like it would be fairly loud...I am asking cause I do not know..never delt with generator before..so I need to learn.. THANKS |
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        Location: North Carolina | Originally written by To Much Trouble on 2010-11-17 5:19 AM
Thanks all... Hosspuller, tell me this, when the generator is in the bed of the truck...is the noise level amplified because it is in the truck and not on the ground...do you have it sitting on rubber? I have been places where generators are in use and they have them sitting a fair distance away from the trailers using long cords...am I wrong in thinking the longer the cord the harder it is to get full use/effect out of the generator..I understand the purpose to have them away from the trailer ( noise) ..but having it sitting in the bed of the truck ( if your hooked up) and having the generator running under your bunk seems like it would be fairly loud...I am asking cause I do not know..never delt with generator before..so I need to learn.. THANKS I never use the generator in the truck hooked up to the trailer when camping. The noise of the Honda isn't a problem. The bed sides & cab seem to block the noise, low level as it is. The Honda has soft rubber feet to isolate the genset from the truck bed. The issue is: the exhaust would be too close to the the sleeping area. I may be too cautious but it is a once-in-a-lifetime mistake. Long cords are only a problem when the size of the wire is too small for the load. Because of the a/c, I use a 50' 10 gauge cord. This keeps the voltage drop very low. I carry another 50' 10 gauge cord to use together if needed. |
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      Location: Ottawa, Illinois 61350 | IF you do go with a generator in the bed of a truck, and leave it hooked to your trailer; DO NOT sit the generator under the neck of the trailer. All exhast fumes will rise, and if you have your windows even cracked just a little, your going to have carbon monoxide fumes entering your lq.
Either disconnect your trailer and pull your truck a little bit ahead; or at least have the generator right behind the cab of your truck. People have died from running a generator while sitting under the neck of a trailer. |
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        Location: North Carolina | Originally written by jim bob on 2010-11-17 7:41 AM
IF you do go with a generator in the bed of a truck, and leave it hooked to your trailer; DO NOT sit the generator under the neck of the trailer. All exhast fumes will rise, and if you have your windows even cracked just a little, your going to have carbon monoxide fumes entering your lq. Either disconnect your trailer and pull your truck a little bit ahead; or at least have the generator right behind the cab of your truck. People have died from running a generator while sitting under the neck of a trailer. Jim Bob ... Thanks for reinforcing this point. Even if you have the windows closed on the GN, the underside of the GN is not sealed gas tight. CO will find its way into the sleeping area and kill the occupants I always pull the truck away from the trailer to use the genset while camping. |
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   Location: Illinois | THANKS for clearing that up...I think we are leaning towards a Honda 3000is = electric start..now I need to start the price search.
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| I have 2 Honda 2000 generators and I am extremly happy with the setup, when we don't need the AC I just run one and when we do run the AC I run 2 in parallel. They are very light and easy to move around. I think the Honda 3000 is an awesome generator and I went back and forth but ultimatly decided that I liked the portability of 2. Mike |
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by hosspuller on 2010-11-16 12:08 PM "...quiet as possible..." means an inverter type generator. I took my home back-up generator to a well known endurance ride last year. Everyone was camped door to door in a field . I was too embarrassed to run it because it was SO LOUD. This year I got a Honda 3000i It IS heavy, but here are my purchase reasons: When camping, it stays in the bed of the truck. I use the tractor to lift it and there it stays. A security cable to the GN hitch break-away loop helps keep it there. No five fingered discount, it'll take four arms besides a cable cutter. The electric start is very nice when I'm tired after a ride or just groggy in the morning. Sound level is a function of the percentage of rated load. A 2400 watt generator running at 100% is louder than a 3000 watt generator running at 80%. Two 2000i ' s will need a tank kit or several fuel fills to equal the runtime of one 3000i tank. Lastly, SHOP and Bargain... I was able to get my Honda locally for less than the best internet price. It seems that construction supply and equipment rental places also sell the Honda. You too can run parallel, if you need too... If you have 2 regular EU2000i, 2 EU3000 Handi, or 2 EU3000is, consider a parallel kit. The parallel kits include a built in 30A outlet (EU2000) or 50A outlet (EU3000), which is capable of providing the combined full power from both generators. Although the kit is more expensive than the parallel cords, it offers you more power from a single outlet.
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    Location: Vanzant, Missouri | I have the Honda 3000 and I have had it for 5yrs without any issues at all. I got it from the Honda E Store and saved some $ and it was shipped to the nearest Honda dealer. I carry mine in the truck bed on the right rear side and I back the truck next to the GN maybe about 3-4ft away. If I could afford 2 2000's I would go that route just because I have to get a friend to help load it on the truck..But I like that I can basically run it all afternoon and evening on 1 tank of fuel. |
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| I have one of the Honda 2000's. I don't need AC, just sometimes a battery charge. If I needed more power, I'd go the two 2000's route. My consideration is the weight. I can lift the 2000 and put it in the wheel barrow to move. During the winter I use the 2000 for power outages and remote projects. |
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  Location: Helena, Ohio | My husband gave me a Honda 3000 for my birthday last year in anticipation of getting a LQ trailer. I never realized what a wonderful thing they are!! I can't load the Honda myself, but my husband can. We keep it in the rear tack of the trailer and I can always get someone to help me move it when I get my camp set up if hubby isnt around. It is very quiet and runs everything I need in my trailer. It is kinda annoying that I can't move it myself, but I surely will give up that little bit of independence for the luxury of just being able to plug in and run!! |
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| I have 2-Honda 2000's with a parallel kit. I absolutely love them. They are easy for me to handle and will run all night with my AC on. I love their portability. When we lost power for four days a couple of winters ago, they saved us. My husband loves them because if he needs to use them out in the field for fixing equipment, he can just load and go. |
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 Location: Home of the WNFR at Christmas | I have to recommend the Honda 2000 inverter generators I have had both the Yamahas and the Hondas and in my experience the Hondas have been superior, and I own a Yamaha motorcycle.
My Honda 2000 has somewhere in the range of 5000 hours on ( 60 to 70 hours a week while building some family homes plus the trailer use ) it and in that time I have only done, a couple of spark plugs, changed the oil every 50 or so hours, and replaced the starter cord once.
It is a great machine, a bit pricey but if you use it its worth every penny. |
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    Location: Valentine, NE | Had a Honda 3000 and wish I still did. Traded for an Onan Microlight 4000 and it is in the shop at 150 hrs. The Honda never had any problems in 5 yrs and an estimated 400 hrs. ..... |
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       Location: western PA | http://www.yamahagenerators.com/yamaha_generator_ef2800i_pr_7.html#detailed-specifications http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/modeldetail.aspx?page=modeldetail§ion=P2GG&modelname=EU3000i Handi&modelid=EU3000iHAN
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 Location: Toronto ontario canada | So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ? |
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        Location: North Carolina | Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 12:21 PM
So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ? yes... |
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| Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 3:21 PM
So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ? I asked the same questions when I was looking for generator...basically is the sound additive and the answer I got was the sound is somewhat additive but not very much. If you look at the specs for the 3000 it is 49db at idle and the 2000 is 53 db at idle. If you have ever heard a 3000 that is running at slow idle it is extremly quiet, the 2000 is also very quiet at idle but the 3000 is almost unbelievable. Both are around 58 at full throtle still very quiet. I have had my double 2000 set up for one summer and a lot of people have walked by my generators and commented on how quiet they were. I guess all of that is a long way of telling you that while the parallel 2000s may make a little more noise than the 3000 both are going to be so quiet that the difference in sound should weigh very little on your decision as to which generator to go with. |
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        Location: North Carolina | Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 12:21 PM
So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ? Sorry ... sent before I finished.. Yes two eu2000i will be louder than a single Eu3000is (Not the Handi tho) From this site... http://www.hayesequipment.com/honda/generators/honda_super_quiet_generators.htm eu2000i : 53 -59 dBa eu3000is : 49 - 58 dBa |
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        Location: Vermont | Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 3:21 PM
So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ?
** EU3000is = Noise Level 58 dB @ rated load 49 dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters
23.4 amp 130.1 lbs. 3500 rpm
** EU2000i = Noise Level 59 dB @ rated load 53dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters
45.9 lbs 4300-5000 rpm13.3amp (two units linked 26.6 amp)
1) Parallel operation of two EU2000 gives you 26.6 amps, slightly more power than one EU3000. However, the two units run faster and louder, about 7 dB more noise (4 dB per unit louder, two units add 3 dB), you would have to put them twice as far away to be at the same noise level on stage.
The added weight and expense of the extra AC cable, and the interconnect cable offset the price difference.
That said, there is a lot to be said for having two generators, 13.3 amps is enough to power up a system, one big dead generator makes no noise. |
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       Location: western PA | Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2010-11-19 1:09 AM Originally written by sidelock on 2010-11-18 3:21 PM So would two Honda 2000 running at the same time be louder than one 3000 running by itself ? ** EU3000is = Noise Level 58 dB @ rated load 49 dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters 23.4 amp 130.1 lbs. 3500 rpm ** EU2000i = Noise Level 59 dB @ rated load 53dB @ 1/4 load at 7 meters 45.9 lbs 4300-5000 rpm13.3amp (two units linked 26.6 amp ) 1 ) Parallel operation of two EU2000 gives you 26.6 amps, slightly more power than one EU3000. However, the two units run faster and louder, about 7 dB more noise (4 dB per unit louder, two units add 3 dB ), you would have to put them twice as far away to be at the same noise level on stage. The added weight and expense of the extra AC cable, and the interconnect cable offset the price difference. That said, there is a lot to be said for having two generators, 13.3 amps is enough to power up a system, one big dead generator makes no noise. I think one thing is being overlooked, when people are considering the amount of noise the various generators produce. This Honda, for instance, is given a DB noise value at 1/4 of its rated output. In addition, its fuel consumption is also measured at this lower value. When these generators are under load, which is why they were purchased in the first place, they will not be sitting there running at an one quarter idle. Under any normal loading, they will be burning much more fuel, and making more noise. When you compare the specifications of the various manufacturers, make sure the ratings are compared equally. It would be a stretch, but someone could say his generator used no fuel and is absolutely quiet...until it's started. |
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| Originally written by gard on 2010-11-19 8:30 AM Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2010-11-19 1:09 AM I think one thing is being overlooked, when people are considering the amount of noise the various generators produce. This Honda, for instance, is given a DB noise value at 1/4 of its rated output. In addition, its fuel consumption is also measured at this lower value. When these generators are under load, which is why they were purchased in the first place, they will not be sitting there running at an one quarter idle. Under any normal loading, they will be burning much more fuel, and making more noise.When you compare the specifications of the various manufacturers, make sure the ratings are compared equally. It would be a stretch, but someone could say his generator used no fuel and is absolutely quiet...until it's started. The Honda's have an eco throttle which allows them to idle down when not under a full load. If I am running one of my 2000s to power lights, fans, tv, pump then it is always running at low idle, very quiet. If I power up my microvave then it idles up but quickly returns to low idle once the microvave is off. If I am using two generators and the AC they will idle up but still quiet compared to the AC. Edited by blackcows 2010-11-19 6:45 PM
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       Location: western PA | I'm familiar with Honda's "Eco-throttle" and that's exactly my point. Consider Honda's EU30001. It is a 3000 W generator that is advertised that it will run 7.7 hrs on a tank of fuel, produces 57 DB and weighs only 78 lbs. Impressive figures, but they are attained at a 1/4 throttle which is not enough to power a microwave, air conditioner, coffee maker, hair dryer etc. When the generator is run at its available power, the 3000W drops to 21.7 amps, the run time drops to 3.6 hrs, and the noise jumps to 65 DB. Compare that to a Yamaha EF 28001 which has a different rating system. It is advertised it can run 15 hrs at half throttle, and from that power setting to a full run, has a noise rating of 60-67 DB. It too is a 3000W generator weighing 66 LBS, but produces a continuous rating of 23.3 amps. It too has a variable RPM depending on the electrical loading called "Economy Control". I am not promoting one generator over another or trying to change anyone's buying habits. I am trying to show, that the initial claims of features have little to do with real world performance. By digging into the specs of a working environment, you can then determine which generator has the better features. Then if you compare pricing, you'll find that one lists for almost $1000 less than the other. It pays to shop. |
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