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Location: Lavaca, Alabama | Anyone have any experience towing with an FJ Cruiser? I've looked at all the numbers and it seems it should handle a short 2 horse bumper pull just fine. Looking for any real world experience. |
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Location: Ingalls, Ks | The question is, will it stop while stuck at full throttle? I'm sorry I couldn't stop myself!! Having pulled some trailers with Blazers and CJ5 Jeep you couldn't pay me to go back to a short wheelbase vehicle to pull anything of any weight. Wheelbase=Stability. JMO |
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Location: santa clara, ca | it might do it, but it seems like a pretty tall vehicle with a pretty short wheelbase... |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | No experience with them, but I did find this... Toyota says you can tow up to 5000# with the FJ.... http://www.toyota.com/fjcruiser/specs.html http://www.toyota.com/pdfs/towguide_Part1.pdf http://www.toyota.com/pdfs/towguide_Part2.pdf http://www.toyota.com/pdfs/towguide_Part3.pdf |
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Location: Lavaca, Alabama | Right retento. It basically has the same frame as a 4 Runner, just shorter a few inches on the wheelbase. The trailer would have trailer brakes. |
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Location: TN | Most trailers these days have trailer brakes, but the question I always ask myself is "Can my tow vehicle stop this trailer by itself safely with no help from the trailer brakes?". I would rather be overfaced with my tow vehicle than underfaced. I would also be concerned about sway from the short well base of the FJ Cruiser. |
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Location: western PA | The tail could wag the dog pretty easily. Been there, done that |
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Location: Harrisburg, PA | I would STRONGLY recommend not using that vehicle to tow a 2 horse.The brakes and wheelbase are the biggest problem. You might be ok towing a 5k open trailer but a big tall shifty horse trailer demands plenty of margin over the tow rating. There are other concerns but those are the major ones. |
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Location: sc | I have no experience with the FJ, but the specs put it in the same range as the Trailblazer. I would give it a try, there is no reason it couldn't haul a small horse trailer. As for the newbs crying about the wheelbase and brakes; the overhang on that vehicle is almost 'nada........but I guess you don't fully understand leverage to begin with. I couldn't find the size of the brakes listed anywhere, but the 60-0 distance was listed at 127 feet. That is a full 30 feet shorter than my Duramax, this ADVANTAGE does not magically disappear when hooked to a trailer. More weight takes longer to stop, that is basic physics, I would put money on the fact my Trailblazer would stop faster than my Duramax pulling the same trailer. I won't bother to address 'losing the trailer brakes', that is a bad day no matter the tow vehicle. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Ventilated front and rear disc. The fronts are 12.6" dia, swept area of 65.5 sq in. Rear discs are 12.3" dia, swept area of 49.5 sq in. |
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Location: Harrisburg, PA | Originally written by chadsalt on 2010-02-14 8:12 AM
I have no experience with the FJ, but the specs put it in the same range as the Trailblazer. I would give it a try, there is no reason it couldn't haul a small horse trailer. As for the newbs crying about the wheelbase and brakes; the overhang on that vehicle is almost 'nada........but I guess you don't fully understand leverage to begin with.
I just saw an FJ today and boy are they short and boxy. It looks more like a Jeep Wrangler than anything else. I had to look up these numbers for myself, so I compared a few 2008 year vehicles: FJ Cruiser, F-150, Tundra, and Trailblazer.
Our 2H slant with small front tack grosses 7k lb. Tow rating for the FJ is 5k, Trailblazer 6.6k, Tundra 8.1k, and F-150 is 9.4k. Big advantage for the 1/2 tons. The 1/2 tons will comfortably tow this without a weight-distributing hitch, the Trailblazer needs one, and the FJ won't get far without one. At any rate, if you're buying a 2h trailer for the Trailblazer or FJ, you'll need to shop carefully since many reasonably-sized 2h trailers exceed their limits.
Wheelbase is critical regardless of overhang. The leverage of the trailer against the tow vehicle is not based on the rear axle center, it's based on the center of gravity of the vehicle. The larger and more spread out the wheels are from the tow vehicle CG, the more stable against any lateral forces coming from the trailer. Wheelbase for these vehicles (1/2tons are shortbed, crew cab) in the same order is 105.9, 113, 150.5, 145.7.
I couldn't find the size of the brakes listed anywhere, but the 60-0 distance was listed at 127 feet. That is a full 30 feet shorter than my Duramax, this ADVANTAGE does not magically disappear when hooked to a trailer. More weight takes longer to stop, that is basic physics, I would put money on the fact my Trailblazer would stop faster than my Duramax pulling the same trailer.
I would not read too deeply into those numbers. Everything changes with an additional 500# of weight hanging on the rear of the vehicle.
But it brings up a good point - based on the fact that traction for braking is driven by downforce, and that the 1/2tons weigh more in the first place, it's basic physics that they will be less affected by the towing load.
I won't bother to address 'losing the trailer brakes', that is a bad day no matter the tow vehicle.
Link to comparison data:
http://www.kbb.com/kbb/CompareCars/Report.aspx?CompareCarsVehicleId...
I'm not out to cast doom and gloom on using smaller tow vehicles. I used an older 1/2 ton for several years. (We almost bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee, which would have been similar to the Trailblazer, and I'm happy we didn't). Save for the time my wife drover over half a leaf spring that destroyed a brake line, it always got us there safely. But there was not much room for extreme conditions, operator error, or other stupid driver error.
All of the vehicles I compared have similar fuel economy, are available in 4wd, have plenty of cabin space, and plenty of storage. The two pickups are vastly superior for towing. Unless you don't care a whole lot about moving your horses or you have absolutely no choice, I think it's a big mistake to compromise on towing safety. |
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Location: PA | Maybe you should check out the Brenderup trailers. You should have no problem towing one of those with your FJ cruiser. |
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Location: sc | Originally written by dgeesaman on 2010-02-15 4:49 PM I just saw an FJ today and boy are they short and boxy. It looks more like a Jeep Wrangler than anything else. I had to look up these numbers for myself, so I compared a few 2008 year vehicles: FJ Cruiser, F-150, Tundra, and Trailblazer. Our 2H slant with small front tack grosses 7k lb. Tow rating for the FJ is 5k, Trailblazer 6.6k, Tundra 8.1k, and F-150 is 9.4k. Big advantage for the 1/2 tons. The 1/2 tons will comfortably tow this without a weight-distributing hitch, the Trailblazer needs one, and the FJ won't get far without one. At any rate, if you're buying a 2h trailer for the Trailblazer or FJ, you'll need to shop carefully since many reasonably-sized 2h trailers exceed their limits. Wheelbase is critical regardless of overhang. The leverage of the trailer against the tow vehicle is not based on the rear axle center, it's based on the center of gravity of the vehicle. The larger and more spread out the wheels are from the tow vehicle CG, the more stable against any lateral forces coming from the trailer. Wheelbase for these vehicles (1/2tons are shortbed, crew cab) in the same order is 105.9, 113, 150.5, 145.7. To begin with the OP asked about a "short" 2H, to me that means no DR. A small 2H can easily come in under 5K with one or two smallish horses. Secondly if your 2H comes in at 7K that is one heavy trailer, my trailer is steel, 15' on the floor and 6'8" wide, coming in at 6K loaded.....I actually consider it larger in the 2H variety. As for the wheelbase/overhang, I fail to see how you think the lateral forces will rotate around the COG? A lateral push on the ball, has to rotate through a physical pivot point. Meaning the front axle is going to pivot around the rear axle.....unless you push hard enough that the rear axle loses traction, even then it will pivot on the front axle not the COG. I suppose one could argue that if the COG was exactly half way between the ball and front axle it may be rotating at the COG, but even then that would assume both physical pivot points would have to be compromised and we would be well on our way to a wreck at that point........ Originally written by dgeesaman on 2010-02-15 4:49 PM I would not read too deeply into those numbers. Everything changes with an additional 500# of weight hanging on the rear of the vehicle. But it brings up a good point - based on the fact that traction for braking is driven by downforce, and that the 1/2tons weigh more in the first place, it's basic physics that they will be less affected by the towing load. If you think out of two vehicles with roughly the same size contact patch, one weighing ~2000 lbs more than the other, that the heavier one will stop sooner.......well I don't know what to tell you. Downforce is exactly the reason the smaller FJ can stop 30 feet quicker than my Dmax. On tires that are more or less the same size, the additional "downforce" of the heavier truck over comes the avaliable traction and the clamping force at the brake calipers must be reduced to avoid skidding. Even with the additional 500#, the lighter truck still should have more available traction for stopping. Additionally since a WDH will be required on the smaller vehicle it may hold even further advantage. With the WDH during a hard stop, the weight the trailer transfers to the tow vehicle will be evenly distributed to both the truck's axles as opposed to a WC setup where the rear axle is more heavily loaded as the front is proportionally unloaded.....causing loss of braking and steering. Originally written by dgeesaman on 2010-02-15 4:49 PM Link to comparison data: http://www.kbb.com/kbb/CompareCars/Report.aspx?CompareCarsVehicleId... I'm not out to cast doom and gloom on using smaller tow vehicles. I used an older 1/2 ton for several years. (We almost bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee, which would have been similar to the Trailblazer, and I'm happy we didn't). Save for the time my wife drover over half a leaf spring that destroyed a brake line, it always got us there safely. But there was not much room for extreme conditions, operator error, or other stupid driver error. All of the vehicles I compared have similar fuel economy, are available in 4wd, have plenty of cabin space, and plenty of storage. The two pickups are vastly superior for towing. Unless you don't care a whole lot about moving your horses or you have absolutely no choice, I think it's a big mistake to compromise on towing safety. Considering your statement, "I'm not out to cast doom and gloom on using smaller tow vehicles. I used an older 1/2 ton for several years." it would appear you somehow consider a 1/2 ton "smaller". Since I am aware that physically a 1/2 ton can be every bit as long/large/heavy as a 3/4 ton, I suspect we will be unable to have a successful discussion. |
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Location: Colorado SPrings | Say...? What do the Europeans use to Tow horses with, car wise? There aren't alot of pick up trucks around Europe now, is there?
Aside from commercial vanlines, Brenderups, and the like, apparently WORK? RIght?
We camp, we off road, via FJ AND horses..there's the predicament.. 13 |
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Location: Vermont | Short wheel base with a trailer plus crosswind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLE1nn0P9AI&feature=related |
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Location: Sumas Washington | Way back when I was young and not so smart I towed A LOT with a Jeep CJ-7. Similar wheelbase to the Toyota. The handling characteristics were poor to say the least. I know that the Toyota is many years newer, better brakes ETC. BUT I contend that the wheelbase (being similar) is a limiting factor as far as safety and control are concerned. IMHO How much do you like your horses?? |
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Location: Auburn, CA | Hi, I'm new here. I just listed our 1999 Brenderup Prestige trailer on the for sale listings. We bought this trailer new in 99 and have absolutely loved it!
The only reason we are selling it is because we bought a new Brenderup Baron. We decided we wanted the model with the tack storage compartment. I can not say enough good about the Brenderup trailers. For those people who knock them, I can only say that, I'm sorry but they don't have a clue what they're talking about. The Brenderup trailers are NOT "plastic". It is a resin compound material that absolutely will NOT shatter or disintegrate in an accident. A friend took a piece of the sidewall material and shot it with a 22 longrifle at close range. It barely chipped the outer surface. We have hauled some horses for other people who have kicked the crap out of this trailer inside, and all to show for it is scuff marks. Our horses have not liked to get in some of the other manufacturers trailers, but they walk right in the Brenderup. It's so much higher and lighter inside. Not like a dark cave.
A horse is so much safer in my opinion in a Brenderup, and my veterinarian agrees. It's very cool in the summer heat, very stable behind the tow vehicle even in windy conditions. We pull it with a 1998 Toyota Forerunner and don't know it's behind us. The inertia brake system is WONDERFUL and was a huge selling point for my husband. Our Prestige weighs 1550 lbs empty and the tongue weight on our tow vehicle is 180 lbs. I highly recommend a Brenderup to anyone who wants to haul their horses safely and with a smaller, gas saving vehicle.
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Location: Western Ar | You probably can tow it and most times you probably can stop it but the one time you drop a wheel off the shoulder of the road at higher speeds and it will be like Gard said the tail will be waggin the dog.
Edited by doughbelly 2011-07-19 3:56 PM
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Location: Northern Utah | Every Sunday, there is a guy up at the trail head with the rig pictured below. It's 2 wheel drive Ford Ranger pulling a bumper pull trailer. He seems to get there safely each week. He mostly arrives with 1 horse and 2 dogs in the trailer. He lives close by and never tows very far. All of his driving is in the city. So no hiway driving at higher speeds. You will need to evaluate where you are going to tow, how much work the tow vehicle will be doing. How dependant you are on actually being at a destination at a certain time. do you have the luxury of saying, It's windy today, I'll stay an extra day and go home tomorrow the conditions are better. Rough roads, passing semis, strong cross winds will all effect how well any tow rig behaves. Yes a FJ will tow a 5000 lb trailer. And I wouldn't hestitate to tow a trailer full of tree branches to the local dump or a wave runner to the nearest lake. But I wouldn't hook up and tow a maximum load multiple hours up a twisty mountain road that might have strong cross winds and steep grades. Another consideration is the wear and tear on the FJ. They are not designed to be a beast of burden for towing. Repeated heavy towing will most likely cause some premeture failures of some parts. A neghbor of mine recently sold his Tundra after spending a bunch of money repairing it. He had used chains on his front tires during a hunting trip because of the mud and snow. the mechanic informed him that those vehicles, while being a 4x4 are not built for the added stress that the increase traction from chained up tires provided. The FJ may be able to tow the trailer, but frequent towing my result in increased maintenance for you. |
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Location: palmyra | I have to agree in favor of the Brenderup. We pulled it with two horses behind a Blazer for years. I've even moved it with my Toyota mini pickup.Last month I rebuilt the brakes and, other than pricy parts, it was a pretty simple task.At this point in have instruction manuals received from manufacturer and lots of details not included in the trailer manual. |
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| You can get the aluminum 2 Horse Shadow Stablemate and load it with (2) 1100 pound horses and still be at or under 4700 pounds. |
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Location: Vermont | Originally written by SweetWillyB on 2011-08-08 2:46 PMYou can get the aluminum 2 Horse Shadow Stablemate and load it with (2) 1100 pound horses and still be at or under 4700 pounds. You have stock in the company or something?...It seems like every post of yours ends up referring to the aluminum 2 Horse Shadow Stablemate...
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Location: western PA | SWB obviously has a connection with Shadow. Every thread is a plug for Shadow
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| It's just a trailer that meets a lot of needs 11 |
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