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Location: Northern IL | Had my horses feet trimmed tonight and it got me to wondering "how do you know if your horses feet are getting trimmed properly and correctly"??? Have really started to think about it recently due to a couple of conversations I have had with a few other horses owners. A couple of us were using the same farrier, then two of them suddenly decided that this person wasn't doing it right. Said the farrier was trimming to short and making the hooves look blocky. I haven't noticed this with my horses. This is the third farrier I have had over a 20 year period and am pretty satisfied with her. I have always trusted them cuz I assume they are a skilled professional and know what they are doing. The other two have only been horse owners for a few years, so I am not quite sure why they switch farriers so much other than they aren't educated enough yet. So how does a person really know??? |
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Location: South Central OK | Any information that you get here like length recommendations are just that, recommendations! Each horse is different and each hoof on that horse is unique. I like to find highly trained farriers that come with professional association memberships (not breed clubs but the journeyman farrier association, etc.) and always the reference of an equine vet. If you've owned horses long enough to know what a good farrier is, then you just know in your gut that your horses are getting the hoof care you feel suits them. Not every horse needs $1200 front shoes, nor does every horse need a $25 trim job...to each his own. If you hear a farrier tell you that all horses of a certain breed should all be shod/trimmed one way, please find another farrier! |
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Location: Northern IL | That is kind of what I have always thought...The one gal told me that she called the farrier who used to trim her horses hooves and he said that one she had before trimmed them too short. The other gal said that the guy (same guy as the first gal had) said that her horse's hooves were too blocky....The person who trimmed them (the 1st time) is the same one that came to my house tonight and I couldn't see anything wrong....Will look at them more closely tomorrow... |
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Location: South Central OK | Some horses get "ouchy" if they don't have enough toe/heel/sole under the part that hurts. Other horses can't have longer feet because of reasons like cracks, thrush, collapsed heels, etc. And some owners just want feet that look a certain way, which is really, really the worst way to care for the hoof IMHO. If you are happy, your horses are happy and your vet likes what they see then you are with the right farrier for the time being...and sometimes things change. |
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Location: Northern Utah | There are several websites that discuss barefoot trims. They give description, have pictures and some even have videos on YouTube. Just google barefoot trim I'm not suggesting that you want a totally barefoot horse. But these sites are very vocal about Barefoot being the best solution. Whether it is or not, at least they will help to educate you about what a trim should look like. |
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Location: East Tennessee, USA, Planet Earth | Trim the horse according to his/her conformation!
If your horse can go barefoot or in boots....do it.
My pony has bee barefoot for over 4 yrs, love it! Saves me a ton of money and his hooves are healthier. My trimmer uses the Pete Ramey method. |
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Location: Kansas | The owner of Pacific Bailey (yes, that goes back about 30 years) told my farrier "Just shoe them the way they stand" |
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Location: KY | Personally, I have a small problem with a farrier criticizing the work of a previous farrier. For me it kinda comes under "don't ask, don't tell" or "if you can't say anything nice, then do not speak" or "he who tooteth not his own horn, the same shall not be tooteth; but, he who tooteth his own horn too loudly, deafens the ears of the hearer" |
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Location: Arkansas | The performance of your own horses as individuals with individual needs, and the ability and willingness of the vet/farrier to collaberate are good indicators. This is our business, of 40 years, Congress and World champions, and $$ TB's, fixing problems that HAD to have a solution...........and more is to be gained by letting your work and ability to improve a horse and letting that speak for you, rather than run down someone else's work. If barefoot works, great, if not, shoes are great also...it is an individual animal in an individual situation, with individual needs.
Edited by flyinghfarm 2009-10-13 5:02 PM
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Location: Decatur, Texas | We have used the same guy for years now and still not real happy. He gets in a hurry, talks on the phone the whole time. He only does 4 half shoes and 6 trims every 6 WEEKS just like clock work. The last few times we have noticed that 4 or 5 of the horses, look like they are low in the heel. All he said was he would fix it! So we found another man that is into the "natural barefoot" trimming. We have done 3 of ours that we leave barefoot and just after the first trimming we can tell a big difference in the hoof and hoof wall. So we are now going to go barefoot on everythiing. The only reason we did half shoes was because we live on rocky ground and we had a couple staying tender footed. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | I've got some that haven't had anything in a few years.They grow out,get ugly,chunk out and then look like a farrier just trimmed them.Same cycle over and over.I've got two three year olds that NEVER have had a foot touched and are being ridden/worked five days a week.One Walker and one Qtr.Have owned numerous horses ht needed very little same as these two.Started handling their feet just cause.Got a few others that gotta get trimmed on a regular basis.Conformation of the animal is a big factor.Got a few others that just need a little bit done to them as needed which could be half a year or couple months.Ground/weather/confermation are all factors. I personally have issues with any gimmicks like equine dentists,Specialised barefoot trims and Brotherhood of Working farriers.Give me a GOOD vet that floats teeth,a good farrier that knows horses and his trade.If they pull out charts,want to record angles and such with a price chart attached I have no interest in doing business with them.Specialized feeds is another pet peeve of mine but thats another topic.
Edited by hounddog 2009-09-13 6:04 AM
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Location: Manitoba, Canada | I had a similar problem in trying to figure out if the farrier was doing well or not. The average horse owner, IMO, is just not educated enough to know if they should be taking their farrier to task for the job he is doing. Last year I must have read every website on trimming there was. I ordered Gene Ovnicek's videos and watched them all 3 times, even loaned them to the farrier. My conclusions? That while my current farrier was doing well on most of my horses, there was one that was deteriorating, something I had suspected all along. Last week I hauled that particular horse 2 hours away to another farrier who trimmed him beautifully, and for the first time in 6 months, the horse is sound, sound, sound. We are the last line of defense for our horses. Choosing between the old farrier's potentially hurt feelings, and the ability to walk soundly for my gelding, is not much of a decision at all. |
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Location: michigan | Barefoot trim? You mean you can trim without removing shoes? Personally, I think this whole barefoot extra special super duper trimmming method is just another way to market yourself and charge more! A good trim is just that-if you are not sure, why not ask questions? Don't like him on the phone- tell him to hang up. I have switched farriers for a number of reasons most being-professionalism ( or lack there of) ability to contact ( or lack there of) and some were just too stupid for words. I didn't like one as he handled the horse poorly. They guy we have out now is common sense and does a good job but he doesn't know much about showing for the arabian show ring. Thus I will take the horse to some who does. I did have a horse ouchy after a trim but that was my fault as I went too long in between trims. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Farmbabe hit the nail on the head. |
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Location: missouri | Just about every night for the past millenium I have said; now I lay me down to sleep... please send me a decent farrier who isn't full of crap and glory stories about shoeing for famous barns and such. Now, I sleep with my farrier, he takes his time and does a fair job.... because he went to school to learn how to shoe our own horses. We used to spend $$$$, then take the horse to the vet to have him done by x-ray, still do when there is any problem. By the way, here in Missouri it is way too rocky for barefootin. |
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Location: MI. | My farrier has been doing my horses for fifteen years. He's not cheap but I don't want to mess up a good thing. He trims according to the conformation of the horse. I had only two horses that needed shoes.....One due to laminitis and corrective shoeing was needed, the other had thin soles and crappy frogs. In the spring the horses can be a little tender, but with gradual exposure to gravel roads and rockier trails they toughen up without any bruising etc......I look at it like human feet. If you always wear shoes......
Edited by Gone 2009-10-14 6:42 AM
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Location: Keymar,Maryland | Good help's not cheap, cheap help's not good.Rich |
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Location: Tucumcari NM | Originally written by Rich M. on 2009-10-14 7:16 AM
Good help's not cheap, cheap help's not good.Rich
Amen!!
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