Kiefer or Sundowner?
cobbley
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Posted 2009-06-29 9:41 AM (#107232)
Subject: Kiefer or Sundowner?


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I'm deciding between two equally priced 3 horse, living quarters trailers with equal features on both.  I'd love some opinions.

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Posted 2009-06-29 9:47 AM (#107233 - in reply to #107232)
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Which Kiefer, steel or aluminum? If it's a Genesis I'd go with the Kiefer hands down, but I am a biased Kiefer 8083 owner. One of the best warranties in the industry.
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Posted 2009-06-29 9:54 AM (#107235 - in reply to #107232)
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New? Used? Ages? All aluminum or steel / aluminum?
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Posted 2009-06-29 10:25 AM (#107237 - in reply to #107232)
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SUNDOWNER all the way! Would not think twice about it!  Down around here all of the Kiefer Built that I looked at before buying the Sundowner all had some sort of door, window problems.  I did see some older model steel Kiefer's that looked ok.

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Posted 2009-06-29 10:37 AM (#107239 - in reply to #107232)
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Sundowner-definitely.
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Posted 2009-06-29 10:56 AM (#107245 - in reply to #107232)
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Need more information on the 2 trailers
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Posted 2009-06-29 11:07 AM (#107249 - in reply to #107232)
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Keifer without a doubt.

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Posted 2009-06-29 11:47 AM (#107255 - in reply to #107232)
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As you can see from your replies that they are both very popular trailers. This is my second Kiefer. My friend has a Sundowner and I have a Kiefer. We love our trailers and have had no problems from them. We camp and ride a lot, almost 10 months of the year. Her Sundowner is one foot longer and weights almost 1400 lbs more than mine. That is the major difference. We have the same size living quarters.If weight is important with the truck you are using to pull with, I would check out the empty weight as we did ours. Regardless, I think you will be most happy with either trailer.
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Posted 2009-06-29 12:09 PM (#107258 - in reply to #107232)
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SUNDOWNER....hands down!
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Posted 2009-06-29 1:39 PM (#107276 - in reply to #107232)
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Neither one.

 

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cobbley
Reg. Jun 2009
Posted 2009-06-29 3:07 PM (#107282 - in reply to #107235)
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Both are all aluminum.  Keifer has 8foot8 LQ.  Sundowner 11 foot LQ - bigger fridge and longer couch.
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Posted 2009-06-29 3:32 PM (#107284 - in reply to #107282)
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Originally written by cobbley on 2009-06-29 3:07 PM

Both are all aluminum.  Keifer has 8foot8 LQ.  Sundowner 11 foot LQ - bigger fridge and longer couch.


Larger fridge is a big PLUS for us!
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Posted 2009-06-29 3:34 PM (#107285 - in reply to #107282)
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Originally written by cobbley on 2009-06-29 3:07 PM

Both are all aluminum.  Keifer has 8foot8 LQ.  Sundowner 11 foot LQ - bigger fridge and longer couch.

 

 

 

What year is the Sundowner? Are you positive it's all aluminum? I would dig a little deeper, does it by chance have a black undercoating?

 

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Reg. May 2004
Posted 2009-06-29 4:32 PM (#107287 - in reply to #107232)
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Sundowner workmanship is by far superior to Keifer,(please check this out for yourself). If the Sundowner is all aluminum and has a bigger LQ for the same price, choose the Sundowner. (I'm not a dealer)
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Posted 2009-06-29 5:24 PM (#107289 - in reply to #107232)
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What you pulling these trailers with.  I've pulled sundowners and they are heavy, sundowner is the last trailer I would buy.  I didn't like the sundowner,  but at same time I am looking at buying a Kiefer because I think they are a better trailer. 
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Posted 2009-06-29 9:53 PM (#107313 - in reply to #107285)
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] What year is the Sundowner? Are you positive it's all aluminum? I would dig a little deeper, does it by chance have a black undercoating?

 

I've done my homework pretty thoroughly.  It's a 2009.  All aluminum.

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cobbley
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Posted 2009-06-29 9:58 PM (#107314 - in reply to #107232)
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We are leaning towards the Kiefer, because it is two feet shorter, the stalls are 1" wider, and the dealer is in a close town.  The Sundowner would be coming here (MA) from Florida and we don't have a local Sundowner dealer.  The closest one is in RI.  I wish I liked the interior of the Kiefer better.  I think the Sundowner has a nicer LQ.  Not so boxed in.  Keep those comments coming!

Those who are shouting Sundowner, have you ever been in a Kiefer or do you just love your Sundowner?  I admit, they really are nice.

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Posted 2009-06-29 11:23 PM (#107319 - in reply to #107232)
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What Kiefer are you looking at or for?
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Posted 2009-06-30 7:13 AM (#107325 - in reply to #107232)
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Originally written by cobbley on 2009-06-29 9:41 AM

I'm deciding between two equally priced 3 horse, living quarters trailers with equal features on both.  I'd love some opinions.

 

This doesn't really make sense. When you have 1 that has a 3' larger LQ you are not even comparing the same trailer. Not equal feature's in my mind The sundowner sounds like a better buy. If you like the Kiefer size better  you have a great negotiating tool to get them to come lower on price with the Sundowner as your backup. 

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Posted 2009-06-30 8:33 AM (#107329 - in reply to #107319)
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Originally written by rose on 2009-06-29 11:23 PM

brew26 What Kiefer are you looking at or for?

I a looking at a kiefer Genesis 4 horse with an 8ft short wall.  I go to a lot of rodeo's and having somewhere to sleep, cook, shower and what not is really nice to have after long day in the driver seat or in the dust. 



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Posted 2009-06-30 8:47 AM (#107331 - in reply to #107232)
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Brew26- I bought a Kiefer Genesis 8083 last fall and we are extremely happy with it, except for one thing. The swing out saddle racks were not made for big saddles. I have to adjust the saddles before I can swing them out. I talked to the factory about it, and since I am only about 70 miles away, they want to see it and could probably do a modification. They said they had not encountered the problem before, but want to make the best product out there and are always making improvements. I think you would get along well with a Kiefer.
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Posted 2009-06-30 9:31 AM (#107334 - in reply to #107232)
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I am on my 2nd Kiefer LQ trailer.  My current one is 8'6" wide with a 10'LQ, all aluminum.  And it is now 5 years old.  It came new with the 3/8 factory warranty.  I have had NO major problems at all.  When it was in the 3 year bumper-bumper warranty, I had some tire issues.  Kiefer replaced all 4 of my tires with Goodyear G6s.  I had a water leak in one of my manger doors.  Kiefer replaced both manger doors with newer, better manger doors.  Kiefer stands behind their trailers!  A sundowner friend that I show with had a leaky rear door (rear tack side).  Sundownder dealer basically told her to deal with it.

Don't get me wrong, an all aluminum Sundowner is a GREAT trailer.  But, to me they charge way to much for the product and service they offer.  There are many GREAT trailers out there.  I like and appreciate the fact that Kiefer is a GREAT company to deal and get along with!

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Posted 2009-06-30 10:50 AM (#107342 - in reply to #107334)
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A sundowner friend that I show with had a leaky rear door (rear tack side).  Sundownder dealer basically told her to deal with it.

Don't get me wrong, an all aluminum Sundowner is a GREAT trailer.  This is kinda funny, I just bought a 04 SUNDOWNER 8010 Signature Series last Dec. as a repo and I posted a few questions on here and was amazed at the response I got from SUNDOWNER DEALERS, my local dealer did all of the service work on it in Feb to get it ready to haul and he checked out EVERY single item and even went over all of the equipment and options it had to make sure we knew how to work everything. He has even called since to make sure everything was going well. Talk about GREAT SERVCIE and standing behind a product even though we did not buy it from him!

 

Sundowner does have a way better interior package than Kiefer.  Just remember since you are buying a LQ trailer you will more than likely be seeing and using the inside as much as the outside.  Better to buy a little better quality up front than having to upgrade stuff later.  Been there done that!  You might check the stall size again, if I remember right mine has 42" stalls and most others we looked at had anything from 37.5" to 40" stalls.  Also like someone else said, you need to compair the smae trailers size for size and option for option!



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Posted 2009-06-30 11:05 AM (#107343 - in reply to #107342)
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Yes, the dealer (no matter what the brand) is an essential part of the whole equation.  I can't believe I forgot to mention that!!  If you deal with a bad dealer, you get dealt a bad deal.

My dealer was Select Trailers in Shelbyville, TN.  IMO, one of the best dealers in the country.

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cobbley
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Posted 2009-06-30 2:26 PM (#107354 - in reply to #107342)
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Originally written by hogtownboss on 2009-06-30 11:50 AM

  You might check the stall size again, if I remember right mine has 42" stalls and most others we looked at had anything from 37.5" to 40" stalls.  Also like someone else said, you need to compair the smae trailers size for size and option for option!

That's what's weird...on the website, they boast 42" stalls, but on the specs for the one we're looking at (8 feet wide, 3 horse, 11 foot LQ) it says 39".

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Posted 2009-06-30 3:25 PM (#107357 - in reply to #107232)
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Sundowner HANDS DOWN and been in Keifer trailers they are better than orthers but not in same quality of Sundowner workmanship/quality etc.

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Posted 2009-06-30 3:33 PM (#107358 - in reply to #107232)
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This Sundowner is a Horizon, 11 foot LQ 3 horse and the stalls are 39".  I have the specs in front of me.

 

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Posted 2009-06-30 4:00 PM (#107359 - in reply to #107358)
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Originally written by cobbley on 2009-06-30 3:33 PM

This Sundowner is a Horizon, 11 foot LQ 3 horse and the stalls are 39".  I have the specs in front of me.

 



Ok, that's why the stalls are smalller, I forgot they have a newer model out now. I was thinking about ones like mine the Signature and Serria models.... Still think Sundowner is the way to go.

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Posted 2009-06-30 4:56 PM (#107365 - in reply to #107232)
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The 725 uses 42" stalls and a 26" shortwall dress standard; and the 726 use 36" stalls and a 43" shortwall dress.  This was models built prior to 2008.  Both the 725 and 726 are lined from front to back, and top to bottom standard.

Likewise the 720 and the 721 have the same stall sizes and dress dimensions.

 

 

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Posted 2009-06-30 10:48 PM (#107382 - in reply to #107365)
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Originally written by retento on 2009-06-30 5:56 PM

The 725 uses 42" stalls and a 26" shortwall dress standard; and the 726 use 36" stalls and a 43" shortwall dress.  This was models built prior to 2008.  Both the 725 and 726 are lined from front to back, and top to bottom standard.

Likewise the 720 and the 721 have the same stall sizes and dress dimensions.

That's interesting.  The ad and the dealer say it is a 2009.  Now I'm totally confused.  I wish the Sundowner website actually told you which trailer was which! 

 

 

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Posted 2009-07-01 9:53 AM (#107402 - in reply to #107232)
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odds are it is a 727 that is made all aluminum in 2009 and that conversion is done in colman ok. Better by far than Kiefer. Just shake the drop down windows, manger doors, or camper door
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Posted 2009-07-01 10:16 AM (#107410 - in reply to #107402)
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You need to consider the company that builds the trailer between the two I would pick Kiefer for support down the road.
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Posted 2009-07-01 10:45 AM (#107413 - in reply to #107232)
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The SD Horizons look like a cargo trailer with drop-downs, just more reason to buy the Keifer.

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Posted 2009-07-01 10:52 AM (#107415 - in reply to #107276)
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Originally written by retento on 2009-06-29 2:39 PM

Neither one.

 

After tons of weighing the options, we've gone for this one.  We decided that we don't want to travel with this big a vehicle or this amont of weight.  We're going to try to make less of an imprint on the environment by checking out some other options.

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Posted 2009-07-01 11:22 AM (#107420 - in reply to #107415)
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Originally written by cobbley on 2009-07-01 10:52 AM

Originally written by retento on 2009-06-29 2:39 PM

Neither one.

 

........make less of an imprint on the environment..................

 

 

 

 

 

Then maybe you should walk into the woods, barefoot and naked and sleep under a tree.

 

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Posted 2009-07-01 1:02 PM (#107427 - in reply to #107232)
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Thanks for wasting our time, and maybe you can hug a tree for me too.  How do you go from we want one of these trailers (that are both great trailers) to we are going in another direction.  And you must have weighed these decisions pretty quick. 
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Posted 2009-07-01 5:22 PM (#107442 - in reply to #107232)
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I don't think this thread was a waste of time.  It helps me out when I read questions posed by others and get to read the responses from all of you more experienced folks out there. 

If "cobbley" decided to check in to something else, it does not mean your repsonses were not helpful to others of us out there.

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Posted 2009-07-23 9:18 PM (#108453 - in reply to #107232)
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Just letting you all know that I finally bought a trailer today after a great deal of thought and a lot of kind help from my local Kieffer dealer...am I allowed to say that.?..Heritage Carraige in Middleboro, MA.  Because of my practical and minimalist tendancies (please don't blast me), I decided against an LQ trailer and bought the most versitile trailer I have seen in my six week search, a Kiefer 2+1 gooseneck with loads of windows, two drop downs by the horses' heads, the ability to turn into two box stalls. I added a 19 foot awning.  There are lots of ways the trailer can be set up and plenty of room for me to sleep in the gooseneck. My trailer dealer not only did not push me, but was willing to help me in my search for trailers from other sources.  I am so glad that I was able to complete my purchase through him, after all the work he did.

Most of all, I'm glad the search is over.  It has not been fun!

 

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Posted 2009-07-24 12:34 AM (#108467 - in reply to #108453)
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Originally written by cobbley on 2009-07-23 10:18 PM

Just letting you all know that I finally bought a trailer today after a great deal of thought and a lot of kind help from my local Kieffer dealer...am I allowed to say that.?..Heritage Carraige in Middleboro, MA.  Because of my practical and minimalist tendancies (please don't blast me), I decided against an LQ trailer and bought the most versitile trailer I have seen in my six week search, a Kiefer 2+1 gooseneck with loads of windows, two drop downs by the horses' heads, the ability to turn into two box stalls. I added a 19 foot awning.  There are lots of ways the trailer can be set up and plenty of room for me to sleep in the gooseneck. My trailer dealer not only did not push me, but was willing to help me in my search for trailers from other sources.  I am so glad that I was able to complete my purchase through him, after all the work he did.

Most of all, I'm glad the search is over.  It has not been fun!

 

If you are a competitor...you will love this design...especially if you show two horses...one in the front box stall...while you are competing on the other...

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Posted 2009-07-24 10:30 AM (#108490 - in reply to #107232)
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I always thought these threads were for people to seek information, opinions and vent about their concerns.  With that in mind, I don't think any of these threads are a waste. 
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