Spooky Horse...In you opinion...
Angelmay84
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2009-06-05 7:11 AM (#105990)
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I posted recently regarding my new spotted saddle mare that I got from a sale.  I took her on a ride with some friends yesterday. Things were going well with riding around home. At the park,  I got bucked off when I was half way on.  She had not done that before. I didn't get hurt, but it wasn't fun.  Then I found that she spooked at every movement I made.  I couldn't even adjust my foot in the stirrup without her speeding up and about running over my fellow riders.  She wasn't like that at home. Another example was that one of my friends got off her horse for a potty break, and I was stopped about 3 horse lengths away from her horse.  My friend tossed her jacket over her saddle, and my horse freaked and spun around and ran into another horse.  Later she spooked and ran.  I got her under control, but again, not fun.  However, she has power steering, crosses puddles, bridges, loads in and backs out of the trailer, stands nicely for saddling, leads or follows, walks out nicely, and ohh my gosh can she gait smoothly!  It's just this spooking thing.  I haven't really done any ground work with her, but do you think that work with something like a plastic bag on a stick, or tarps, etc would translate over to the saddle?  She is a nice BEAUTIFUL horse, and she has such a kind eye.  She has good manners, she isn't disrespectful, she's fearful.  I don't want to die, I like living.  I don't think ground work on an 11 year old mare is going to change these ingrained responses....or am I wrong?  Can you teach an old horse new tricks? Also, the other horses were calm and never spooked. So she wasn't picking up vibes.  Ground work can't hurt, but I've never owned such a spook of a horse.  Bombs have literally been blown up within 100 feet of my haflinger/belgian mare and she didn't care.  This horse spooks if you fart.  Anybody for spotted saddle steaks? I'll cook! BYOB!

Amanda

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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2009-06-05 9:59 AM (#105993 - in reply to #105990)
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YES! you can teach an old horse new tricks.. You've just recently bought your new horse.. she is still adjusting.. In the meantime, some round work would help; ala John Lyons, Parelli, Chris Cox, your trainer/guru of choice..Do some sacking out, having things around her feet, wiggling in the saddle, putting on and taking off a slicker (WITH HELP!!..you don't want to be careening around a round pen with your slicker flapping behind you and both arms trapped in their sleeves)... My rocky mare, whom I love dearly, took TWO YEARS to settle down and begin to be more trusting.  Now, she is a super trail horse... We've learned about each other over the 6 years or so that I've had her.. She still has multiple quirks, and yes, there are things that I haven't worked on that I need to, but all in all I can't hardly ask for a better horse..  As you say, your mare is merely fearful.. A strange new home that she's just barely getting used to, a new rider with a different riding style, a strange new trail to travel with strange new sights to see and things to hear, strange horses as trail companions... .. Of course she's going to be insecure.... Just work with her.. slow down a little and give her time!!  It will be well worth it in the end.

GOOD LUCK!.

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Ike
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2009-06-05 11:37 AM (#105999 - in reply to #105990)
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Yes you can work with this horse. As stated above, round pen work and exposure will begin to calm her down.

Make sure your saddle fit is good.

My current QH is 6. I got him at 4 and he had never been ridden. Takes a while, but gain her trust and she sound's like she will make you a fine trail horse. You must remain calm also.

Oh my boy is still scared of one thing....cant seem to get it out of him. Nothing else bothers him much....but a 55 gal drum with a black plastic garbage bag in it wil eat him up if he gets close to it.

No black bag in it and he is fine......hang in there.

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Posted 2009-06-05 1:19 PM (#106004 - in reply to #105990)
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You may have found the reason she was at the sale.

Ground work will fix this problem over time.  Natural calming agents in her feed might help to take the edge off her, but this is a bandaid not a fix.

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dawnb
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Posted 2009-06-05 3:33 PM (#106016 - in reply to #105990)
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Does she have full vision in both eyes? We had a 1/2 saddle bred that it took us 2 yrs to figure out why she would spook on just one side. She was blind in the front half of eye.
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Marla
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Posted 2009-06-05 4:09 PM (#106018 - in reply to #105990)
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Yes, you can work with this horse.  As stated above, sacking her out will go a long way.  Also, try riding with a friend, only one, and having that friend make movements that your mare doesn't expect.  When she spooks, have the friend repeat the move until your mare comfortable.  As long as you are prepared for her response, and there are no other horses for her to run over, this approach should be safe enough for you and your horse.

 

Marla

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Marla
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Posted 2009-06-05 4:21 PM (#106019 - in reply to #105999)
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Originally written by Ike on 2009-06-05 10:37 AM

Yes you can work with this horse. As stated above, round pen work and exposure will begin to calm her down.

Make sure your saddle fit is good.

My current QH is 6. I got him at 4 and he had never been ridden. Takes a while, but gain her trust and she sound's like she will make you a fine trail horse. You must remain calm also.

Oh my boy is still scared of one thing....cant seem to get it out of him. Nothing else bothers him much....but a 55 gal drum with a black plastic garbage bag in it wil eat him up if he gets close to it.

No black bag in it and he is fine......hang in there.

 

I once got thrown by an appaloosa gelding I was riding bareback on because a black plastic bag was tangled up on the thorns of a cholla cactus.  The base of the cholla was surrounded by prickley pear.  That horse came unglued, dumped my carcase on top of the cactus, and headed for home.  I walked three miles back to the house with cactus thorns through the palms of my hands and my jeans stapled to my legs by thorns.  I had to use pliers to remove the deeply imbedded thorns.  Months later I was still removing thorns that had worked their way through my hands and calves. 

 

Marla

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Terri
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Posted 2009-06-05 7:29 PM (#106024 - in reply to #106019)
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I once got thrown by an appaloosa gelding I was riding bareback on because a black plastic bag was tangled up on the thorns of a cholla cactus.  The base of the cholla was surrounded by prickley pear.  That horse came unglued, dumped my carcase on top of the cactus, and headed for home.  I walked three miles back to the house with cactus thorns through the palms of my hands and my jeans stapled to my legs by thorns.  I had to use pliers to remove the deeply imbedded thorns.  Months later I was still removing thorns that had worked their way through my hands and calves. 

 Marla

 

Owwww!!

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Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2009-06-05 8:00 PM (#106027 - in reply to #105993)
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Just remember to release what ever pressure you are using, be it a bag, rope, slicker, hat, etc. when the horse relaxes, stops his feet, or licks the lips.  If the pressure is removed while the horse is still freaking out, the horse learns to freak out to get away from pressure.  My kids have played kick ball in the barn area, drive the jeep and tractor around the pasture, shoot guns close by.  And they all look at you as what in the world are you doing.  I will lay tarps on the ground and work the horses around them, Walmart bags on the fence, feed bags are no longer the monster they first were. 

Timing is everything, and with experence you will learn to see the signals from the horse and give the release quicker.

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rose
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Posted 2009-06-05 10:44 PM (#106030 - in reply to #105990)
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Ditto what everyone has said; however, I have had positive results with adding vitamin B1 tablets to feed for nervous horses. Also I have seen positive results with adding apple cider vinegar to feed. Good luck with her.
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terri s
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Posted 2009-06-06 9:58 AM (#106043 - in reply to #105990)
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That and have a bombproof buddy for her to ride with. Maybe short excursions away from home at first and when she sees that buddy isn't seeing anything to spook at, she will go "Oh, never mind". Be sure to go away from each other and not let her get too tied to his every movement either. I had the world's spookiest gelding and my husband's horse would let firecrackers go off without batting an eye. It still took lots of work on top of everything else you've been told, but the true turning point was his seeing that those spooky things really weren't that bad after all.
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Posted 2009-06-06 10:30 AM (#106046 - in reply to #105990)
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I agree with everything said here and would like to repeat to check saddle fit. It's quite amazing what an ill fitting saddle can cause a horse to do. That being said, I found that the TTOUCH exersizes were very helpful for my horses. All of theses things ultimately help you build a relationship with your horse which is the most important thing.

 

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Posted 2009-06-15 10:37 AM (#106458 - in reply to #105990)
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Angel hang in there, as I said before my gelding had nothing done to him but have a saddle thrown on, snub up to another horse and broke( this term I use loosely with my horse at the time). I had him in the round pen at least 6 hrs per day for 2 wks and he still finds boogers! Be patient with her please. One of the things I did do in the round pen after he learned to trust me was hang plastic bags on the rails and I left him there for about 1 hr while he blew sky high. Then when he had calmed down I went back and put a treat in each of the 12 bags. He learned pretty quickly they werent boogers but a place to get a treat. After a few days of this on and off I put his saddle on with a plastic bag tied on. Again he boogered and then when he settled down in maybe 5 minutes tops he saw me get a treat out it and now he will look for plastic bags on the trails, around the camps etc, haha! We went camping this w/e at Cedar Lake and had a wonderful time! No spooks and lots of nice trail riding, hill climbing, it even stormed and he done wonderful. The time in the round pen was worth every minute! Good Luck
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Posted 2009-06-15 10:42 AM (#106460 - in reply to #105990)
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FYI I paid 300.00 for him in March and was offered 2000.00 this w/e! I didnt sell him cause I dont believe I will get this lucky again and he is just a great horse now.
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Angelmay84
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Posted 2009-06-15 4:23 PM (#106497 - in reply to #105990)
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THe funny thing is that I can take a whip or plastic bag on a stick and swirl it all around her, touch her everywhere with it, bop her with it, spike the ground with it, Swirl it like a helicopter and she stands there with her eyes half closed and lip drooping. But God forbid I'd stomp my foot, she'd be in the next county. I've been hopping stomping flailing and flopping, doing relaxing lunging with direction changes and working on some easy things like lateral flexion and hoof handling. She's improving, but some things still set her off...I just have to keep chipping away. It takes considerably less time to catch her now.
Amanda
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Terri
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Posted 2009-06-16 4:17 PM (#106540 - in reply to #106497)
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But God forbid I'd stomp my foot, she'd be in the next county.

 

  My old mare was abused and I finally got her to the point of where I can do jumping jacks next to her without her panicking.  We put her in the round pen and did exercises out there until she would relax and ignore us.  My youngest daughter rides her so I was trying to do everything posssible to get her to relax with people walking near her.

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Posted 2009-06-28 5:40 PM (#107195 - in reply to #105990)
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Amanda,

I have a spooky horse also that has had loads of ground work. I am from the Midwest also and I just took my horse to www.harmonyhorsemanship.com  near Madison WI,and so far I have seen a major difference in this horses personality. He was very insecure and scared of things you don't expect and not scared of things that you were raedy for.They work them several times a day building confidence. They don't do the typical ground work. I want to compare it to bootcamp. They expose them to everything in a natural horsemanship way. Check out the playland on there website. The horse is taught to focus all his attention on you so he doesn't care if tehre is something scary. They had 12 hours of odd noises on a CD like crocs, machine guns, bagpipes, sirens and you get an idea of what the horse is exposed to. Tarps on there back, milk jugs at there feet, pool floaties, balls, plastic sacks, and what ever they can think of. 

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Posted 2009-07-05 11:21 AM (#107545 - in reply to #105990)
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Originally written by Angelmay84 on 2009-06-05 7:11 AM

I posted recently regarding my new spotted saddle mare that I got from a sale. I took her on a ride with some friends yesterday.Things were going wellwith riding around home.At thepark, I got bucked offwhen I washalf way on. She had not done that before. I didn't get hurt, but it wasn't fun. Then I found that she spooked at every movement I made. I couldn't even adjust my foot in the stirrup without her speeding up and about running over my fellow riders. She wasn'tlike thatat home. Another example was that one of my friends got off her horse for a potty break, and I was stoppedabout 3 horse lengths away from her horse. My friend tossed her jacket over her saddle, and my horse freaked and spun aroundand ran into another horse. Later she spooked and ran. I got her under control, but again, not fun. However, she has power steering, crosses puddles, bridges, loads in and backs out of the trailer, stands nicely for saddling, leads or follows, walks out nicely, and ohh my gosh can she gait smoothly! It's just this spooking thing. I haven't really done any ground work with her, but do you think that work with something like a plastic bag on a stick, or tarps, etc would translate over to the saddle? She is a nice BEAUTIFUL horse, and she has such a kind eye. She has good manners, she isn't disrespectful, she's fearful. I don't want to die, I like living. I don't think ground work on an 11 year old mare is going to change these ingrained responses....or am I wrong? Can you teach an old horse new tricks?Also, the other horses were calm andnever spooked. So she wasn't picking upvibes. Ground work can't hurt, but I've never owned such a spook of a horse. Bombs have literally been blown up within 100 feet of my haflinger/belgian mare and she didn't care. This horse spooks if you fart. Anybody for spotted saddle steaks? I'll cook! BYOB!

Amanda

now you know why she was at the sale.,take her back to the sale and don't risk life an limb.of yourself and fellow riders
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ridingarocky
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Posted 2009-07-09 10:03 PM (#107767 - in reply to #105990)
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I still say give her time.. This horse deserves the opportunity to be the best she can be.. Sounds like you're working along on her pretty good.
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