Insulation ???
sidelock
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-05-27 6:14 PM (#105570)
Subject: Insulation ???


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I installed 1" rigid sm insulation between wall and ceiling support beams and screwed  3/4" firing .My question is, would it be ok to install an additional layer of 1/2" or 3/4" insulation between the firing strips after I run my wires or must I leave that air space to prevent concensation ? I live in a cold climate and any additional insulation would help espacially in the goosse neck ceiling sleeping area but I don't want to use thicker firing and use up additional wall space by fabricating thicker walls .

Edited by sidelock 2009-05-27 6:17 PM
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-05-28 8:55 AM (#105610 - in reply to #105570)
Subject: RE: Insulation ???


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You do not need to leave an air space between your insulation and wall surface. You will need some sort of vapor barrier between the insulation and the wall. Your installed insulation, will prevent the interior moist air from touching the cool exterior surface, and will prevent any condensation from forming.

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sidelock
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-05-28 9:25 AM (#105614 - in reply to #105570)
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Sorry Gard, I don't quite understand your answer. Are you saying that I also need a vapor barrior or are you saying that I'm good to go with just the rigid sm insulation.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-05-28 9:47 AM (#105618 - in reply to #105570)
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Unless all your seams and gaps were perfectly taped, the installation of rigid insulation leaves spaces and orifices that allows the inside air to reach the metal framing. This can cause localized pools of condensation to form.

What you usually need over the insulation is a vapor barrier. This prevents any inside air from infiltrating into the insulation and gaps. This can be a plastic barrier or even the wall surfaces themselves. Some wall board and paneling will suffice, individual boards will not.

For an additional cost of a few dollars, it is cheap insurance to install.

Gard

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sidelock
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-05-28 10:29 AM (#105621 - in reply to #105570)
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Thanks Gard, I taped all the seams and gaps with 2" aluminum foil tape on the ceiling and walls so I should be ok. However I did not tape the floor.

I removed the carpet from the floor and installed sleepers with polyurathane adhesive and screws to the 5/8 "plywood that the carpet was glued to ,then I installed rigid sm insulation between the sleepers and layed down another sheet of 5/8 "plywood .

If I tape or caulk the gap around the perimeter of the plywood floor will I be ok or should I remove the surface plywwod and install a vapor barrior or tape all the seams and gaps ?

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-05-28 10:41 AM (#105622 - in reply to #105570)
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We recently installed the same type of flooring. We just caulked all the plywood seams. I'm sure the plastic would have been better underneath, but I can't see much air infiltration going through the solid plywood sub flooring. All of the plywood joints were screwed together over sleepers, so there will be little movement at those areas.

You should be good to go.

Gard

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sidelock
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-05-28 10:55 AM (#105625 - in reply to #105570)
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YOU THE MAN GARD !

Thanks again.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-05-29 7:26 AM (#105676 - in reply to #105570)
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There are 3 ways you loose heat

Conduction, Convection and Radiation.

Conductions is the direct heat flow through a solid object, Convection is the movement of heat across air spaces from warm to cold, Radiation is the movement of heat rays across air space.

The foam you installed will slow the Conduction of heat through the metal sides and roof of your trailer,  It also helps to reduce the amount of convection by preventing the circulating air from touching the walls and roof of the trailer, But it does little to stop the radiating heat.  If you want to stop the radiant heat loss, apply a radiant barrier. 

These come in many forms. A foil layer on the inner surface of your foam. A foil sheet you apply over your other insulation or as a sort of bubble wrap made of foil that reflects and traps a small amount of dead air.  There are some new products that have 3 layers built into one.  As you stretch them across the studs of a home, the layers open up, trapping 1/4" of dead air between each layer.

Do a search on radiant barriers for more info or try this webste http://www.radiantbarrier.com/

 

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-05-29 8:57 AM (#105680 - in reply to #105570)
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If you purchase and install foil faced, rigid foam insulation, you will have a very effective insulation system. It can be obtained with both faces covered. This directs unwanted outside heat from penetrating into the living space, and lessens the heat loss generated from inside.

Gard

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sidelock
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-05-29 8:25 PM (#105715 - in reply to #105570)
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Wish I knew that before I started panneling. How much difference does the foil make ? is it worth the trouble of pulling the panneling down and applying a layer of foil on the inside ?
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-05-29 10:01 PM (#105716 - in reply to #105570)
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-05-29 10:38 PM (#105717 - in reply to #105570)
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I would not tear out whats been installed.  but if your really want it.  You can add the foil over the top of the foam before you add your panelling.

But at some point you reach the point of diminishing returns.  You can spend a lot of money to save a few pounds of propane.

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hosspuller
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Posted 2009-05-30 11:47 AM (#105722 - in reply to #105715)
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Originally written by sidelock on 2009-05-29 5:25 PM

Wish I knew that before I started panneling. How much difference does the foil make ? is it worth the trouble of pulling the panneling down and applying a layer of foil on the inside ?

Foil or radiant insulation only works when there is an air space.  No air space means the foil is a good conductor of heat.  Prove it to yourself.  Use a piece of shiny aluminum foil as a pot holder between the hot pot and your hand.  Then try holding the same piece of foil between you and the sun (or a heat lamp).  The radiant heat will be blocked.



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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-05-31 8:05 AM (#105745 - in reply to #105570)
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I guess that is why a baked potato stays warmer when wrapped in foil.
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Safet
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2010-03-26 11:21 AM (#118029 - in reply to #105570)
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So, is this the order going from the outside wall in?

Outer trailer wall, plastic vapor barrier, insulation (either foil backed or plain), wiring, more insulation if desired, inner wall paneling/covering.

If you use the foil backed insulation, does it matter which way the foil faces?

What do you hold the plastic barrier up with, tape? - any particular kind?

What screws do you use on an aluminum frame to hold the panels on?

Thanks!!

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