The title says it all!!....?

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=204428

That person has more hot air than a balloon. 

Perfect trailer for a 1/2 ton pick up that is parked and on blocks !

Didn't say anything about trying to road that hog with four horses aboard and full tanks.

Only 6' wide but still...I wonder what the actual weights are empty. Got to weigh at least 6000 empty, then add 4 skinny horses and 30 gals water and 500 pounds of tack and you are going to be a minimum of at least 10,500. At least that, don't you think???

Just goes to show what most of the salesmen out there know about a trailer.

Shadow should fire this clown before he sells it to someone with a Honda Ridgeline.

Jeeeeeez.

Evening everyone! Thanks for looking at our ad! We do stand behind our trailers, hence we will post to this forum when we need to!  Obviously you can overload any trailer, but to be realistic most folks that haul a four horse (or most living quarters ...  for that fact) use the first stall for extra room!  This trailer does weigh 5900 lbs empty.  With all the new trucks on the market, most 1/2 ton trucks are rated to haul between 10,500 and 11,000 lbs (some more). So lets say you throw in a few saddles and bridles (tack weigh 500 lbs) 3 horses at 1,000 lbs, clothes and food (500 lbs) and fresh tanks with 30 gallons of water (240 lbs) you are at 10,200 lbs....so therefore this trailer can be hauled with a 1/2 ton truck!  Even if they did throw a horse in the first stall that puts the weight at 11,200 again  .... close to the range we need to be at!

You all are invited at anytime to come to the lot in Ocala, hook up to the trailer, we will fill the fresh tank... you throw in the horses, food and tack ...take it for a test drive! Again, we stand behind what we sell ... you see we are a trailer dealership that is still here, we have to sell you the trailer and then we have to live with you... so when something does go wrong we stand behind our product and make it right for you the CUSTOMER!

Thanks again for looking, please feel free to email us privately on any of our trailers and we will be sure to send you a personal video tour and help with the important decision of purchasing a living quarter horse trailer!

Quote... Even if they did throw a horse in the first stall that puts the weight at 11,200 again  .... close to the range we need to be at!

That only works with a game of horse shoes and hand grenades.

What is that trailer built out of....? NERF impregnated with Helium? Four horse trailer w/ LQ, and it weighs 5900#!!

Whats the GVWR on this trailer? 12168#

So you're saying I could safely pull this trailer with a 2007 1500 Chevrolet/GMC 4x4 crew cab, short bed pickup with a 6.0 gas, auto trans and 4.10 gears.... It's rated at 10500#.    Or maybe a 2007, 4x4 Toyota Tundra huge cab with the 5.7 V8.... It's rated at 10000#. I couldn't find much on the Fords of Dodge half tons, they may be rated even more..

News Flash.... 2009 F-150 Supercrew short bed, 5.4 liter engine, 3.73 limited-slip rear. Tow rating 11,300 lbs.

I guess these new "half tons" ain't what they used to be...

I know some folks that have a half ton truck and they too want a LQ's, but they've got better sense than to think they could load four 1300# Quarter horses along with a weeks worth of gear, and head to the Big South Fork.....

But there are some gullible people out there and I would hate to think someone would tend to lead them into believing that they could handle that trailer with their grandma's old 300cid, 5 speed manual, old F-100..... Once you get all of that rolling, how you going to stop it? The rest of the world's not quite as flat as it is around Williston/Ocala, Florida. Maybe the old F-100 has a rusted out floor board, then they could drag their feet like the Flintstones!!! How about one of those Wyle Coyote ACME ships anchors that you throw out the window, that should do the trick!!... Ya'll think about it!!!

I'm done.....

I can't believe someone has come one here trying to defend the logic that this trailer can be pulled with a 1/2 ton.

Simply A-Freaking-Mazing.

I am the largest propontent of practical, 3 horse slants with 4' dressing rooms, 1/2 ton no problem.

4 horse slants with a slide and full lq and a 1/2 ton, you would have to be a mouth breather.

Buyshadow ...

Not to cast aspersions on your horse hauling knowledge and experience... Tell us what your advertised trailer's hitch weight will be with (4) 1000 pound horses and full tanks. 

Since you've posted to the forum, have you read the various posts titled "how much can I tow?" or such ?  If you had, you'll have learned that the main issue is not the trailer towing capacity of the 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck but the weight carrying capacity of the rear axle.  

Before you reason that people purchase  4 horse trailers to haul 3 with an empty stall for storage, consider a mid tack trailer has a better storage area.  The extra horse stall is for a horse at some time, in my experience.  It's similar to computer data storage, if it's there, it WILL be used.

Six foot wide is not going to be very comfortable for the horses. No way I would try to pull that thing with a 1/2 ton. Driver would be like an airline pilot during takeoff. Front wheels still need to be FIRMLY on the ground to steer and stop.

quote.... Shadow Truck and Trailer 2009 4 horse slant load S stablemate Gooseneck living quarters with a 6’ slide. 6’ wide, 7’ tall, 27" on the floor 34'6" overall..

Retendo

"NERF impregnated with Helium? "

I am hysterical here!

We have a 3H 4' weekender that weighs ~5500#. I've never weighed the pin weight, but I would be willing to bet that it approaches the weight carrying limits of most 1/2 ton pickups. This is a trailer with only an 18' box. The rated towing capacities are a maximum of what can be pulled, NOT carried.

Next thing you know, Brenderup will ditch Volvo for their adds, and use Smart cars instead.

 http://www.edmunds.com/smart/fortwo/2009/index.html?mktcat=smart-fortwo-type&kw=smart+fortwo+cars&mktid=ga38979470&gclid=CIWk9_iQ35oCFRIdkwodRQEkzQ

Gard

Now that has me cracking up!

Yeah,my mama did tell me that.But,since we're discussing information that was given by a trailer dealer that should know better regarding  something that might cost someone their LIFE,it's really not up to mama to say so -unless she's a cross country horse hauler for hire.Then she might have some input that would be helpful.

I invite shadow or Michelle or whoever it is to do this: hook up that very trailer to a 1/2T truck.Put in 3 large horses if they prefer,or,4 plus their gear,food,clothing everything they will need for about 5 days'worth of camping.Hey,don't even put any water in the thing,water is available.Then go up to the top of Highway 74 off of 7,west of Jasper,AR to the Buffalo River National Park area.THEN come DOWN highway 74.Let's hear back from you after that,if you make it OK.

Take a look at that area on a Google map,just enter in Ponca,and look at highway 74.

And,that's not nearly the worst terrain that a lot of horse folks haul in,but,trust me,it's bad enough!Enough to raise the hair on the back of your head if you even think you've made a mistake choosing trucks.

BTW,Penejoe,this is a forum that doesn't necessarily cater to being nice all the time.It is for folks that are trying to put out correct information to horse owners and enthusiasts,and sometimes people's toes do get stepped on in that process.I'll quote Forrest Gump: "MAMA SAID--" (like a good girl Scout,always be prepared.)my quote.

I have an '03 2H GN Shadow with a weekend package 7' wide, 5' short wall and pull it with a 2500HD Dodge Diesel and I certainly wouldn't try pulling it with a 150 or 1500. 

I think the title says it weighs 3900 lbs, but I think that's before anything was added to it. It has wood paneling, insulation, propane fridge, hot water heater, cooktop, sink, microwave, wood cabinets, dinnette, AC, etc  all adds to the weight

I haven't weighed the trailer, but estimate it around 5000-5500 lbs now.  Add 2 horses, fill the water tank, hay, tack, grain, food for us, clothes, etc and I'm betting it's 8000 -9000 lbs.   I used to have a F150 that was rated to tow 7300 lbs - no way I'd use it to pull a LQ trailer. 

The trailer seems to be well built - I htink they have changed how they are making the new models to make them weigh less... But a 4 horse with slide, 10' LQ...  come on be realistic...

Hey guys let up a bit on these guys - it might just be possable....that is if they copied last years Blue Moon Zeplin model....It was a 4H with 20" LQ, two slides (for the kids I think) and a mid tack..... and they claimed it could quite easily be pulled with a 150...It came fitted with a small Air Ship attached to the roof......LOL...

Don't know what this guy is smoking....but should share some of it, then mayby we might see the reason....

Just for laughs....

Tr0y:  The difference between the cowboys / Hotshots situation is informed risk.  When you know you've got an overload situation and still use the truck ya brung to the party... that's informed risk.  I've overloaded equipment many times.  I knew it when I backed under the hitch.  I drove appropriately.

When some newbie relies on a trailer dealer's sayso that their 1/2 ton truck is able to handle this trailer safely ... That's misinformation at best.  Criminal deception at worst.   Plain, not right in any case.

Making a living putting other people at risk is and should be criminal behavior.

Tr0y, I get where you are coming from, I have pulled many a trailer a many a mile with a truck that was not built for the task, the difference is I knew it before I backed under it. But in this deal you have a couple starched shirts and polished boot sales guys trying to push a trailer towards folks that shouldn't be pulling them. Sure if the guy goes in and swallows what these salesgoons are spewing then they got what they deserved to a point, we probley won't stop one deal from happening on this forum, but from the responses above it looks like the polished boots are reading this thread and maybe they will get the hint that they are doing a disservice to the rest of us buy pushing a product upon folks that are unable to see the difference of sales smoke and reality. I would like to think that even in todays economy that horse folks are just that,............ horse folks, and we don't need to be blatently lieing about our products to sell them. I just happen to be a salesman, no starch or polish here, and I won't put some poor fools life in danger just to collect a commision check on a trailer, but I will be able to sleep tonight knowing that I didn't.

Tr0y ... Okay.. I'm not a lawyer & can't quote chapter & verse...so I should not have said that Shadow's ad "is" criminal.  I DO stick with saying "this trailer is perfect for a 1/2 ton truck" should be criminal.  This is a specific statement of use.  Pictures of overloaded trucks don't imply fitness of use.

I'll bet that Shadow's insurance company makes sure trailer, stock number 3871 is never sold to a person with a 1/2 ton truck.  That advertisement will live forever in Google's cache.  The Internet is too good as evidence of egregious behavior exceeding sales puffery.   Shadow has lost plausible deniability.

Troy...   Sounds like you haul horses full time.  Me, I only pull my own horses for my own pleasure.  Last week, I burned a couple of barrels of gasoline over 900 miles.  If you wish to compare hat size, yours is the biggest. 

Regardless... I encourage people to "call out" Internet postings.  If you know something different, add it.  The Internet is only useful because many people post.  It is not "picking on" it is sharing experience and knowledge.  The cure for Internet misinformation is more information.  (and not regulation as suggested)  In this thread, I didn't say Shadow is full of horse poo.  I simply asked for the hitch weight of the advertised trailer.  No response = No credibility

For my curiosity in turn, describe your rig.  Things like truck model, trailer, horse configuration, etc.  What is your regular route? or do you travel as booked?  How do you deal with the state health certificate requirements as you cross borders?  What states are strictly enforced? 

Likely you have lots of knowledge this forum is hungry for.  Please share it.

I also just haul my own, but I am hooked to different trailers often as I install LQ's in them. So you still win the biggest hat award. I'm just trying to point out the fact that some "slick willy salesman" will tell you anything to get a commision check. If I offended anyone with a starched shirt, or polished boots, I'm sorry.

Well look there... http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=204428 The ad has been changed. Not so confident in their numbers? Or catching flack over the ad? Or maybe their legal team said no way...you know with implied warranty and all....

Tr0y - I will agree with you about if you grew up on a farm or ranch and have made a living doing it...at one point and time you have loaded something way past the intended point. But we also have done so knowing exactly what we were doing, what are limits were, and how far we were pushing our luck.

That ad should have been pointed out for the same reason that we would all point out a scam. It was at best misleading and to a first time uninformed buyer looks great. Until they realize what they have gotten into once they have loaded it with water and four horses and tack and feed and their kids so they can go trail riding for the weekend.

That ad should have been pointed out for the same reason that we would all point out a scam. It was at best misleading and to a first time uninformed buyer looks great. Until they realize what they have gotten into once they have loaded it with water and four horses and tack and feed and their kids so they can go trail riding for the weekend.

Tresvolte... That's the exact reason why I started this thread.... We, that pull and haul all the time could probably use that trailer with a half ton truck and get along OK, being that we know the truck and our own limitations.... But there's alot of folks out there that would have read that ad, bought the trailer loaded it for the big camping trip and soon gotten themselve in trouble going down a hill, rounding a curve a little too fast, trying to stop, etc. I seen several wrecks waiting to happen, pass me heading north on I-95 last weekend. Check out some of those fifth wheel campers being pulled behind the 1500/150 trucks. 

The various threads concerning this latest posting, graphically illustrates the value of this forum. Within its membership, are knowledgeable people who "have  been there and done it". They are aware of advertising that exaggerates facts to promote a sale. They know what is safe, what isn't and what they can get away with doing.

With this collective knowledge and experience, people who try to make absurd statements, will quickly be called out for their remarks. The novices who have joined to learn, will be quickly told what is truthful and what isn't. Big brother in this case, has their backs.

We are fortunate to belong to such a group. There are many members who consistently go out of their way to help others. In this case a potential purchaser won't experience the heartache of realizing that his new combined rig is unlawful, dangerous to both his and his family's health, and a waste of a great deal of money.

Gard

Hmmm Criminal, I would doubt it. And don't think it should be.

But it is.

Ignorance of the law will not help you escape procution if you injure or kill someone.  You are responsible for your equipment and not everyone understands DOT regs and depend on the dealers to explain the law.  I try not to depend on anyone but many people trust that the dealers know what they are talking about.

<....don't know about the automotive latches. My guess is the divider latches.>

Yes, that refers to the divider latches. These are, in my opinion, the best latches I have ever seen on a divider. Very easy to use and will open easily with weight against them.