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perk2754
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Posted 2009-03-25 6:09 AM (#102034)
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Okay, I know there have been several generator discussions over the years but I am interested in the latest thoughts.  I just took the plunge and ordered my new trailer and am now thinking about a generator for it.  I can't afford the tiny on board ones so it will probably ride in the 1st stall on a 3 horse slant load and be unloaded to use.  Anyway, thoughts on minimum size, noise levels, etc......??
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retento
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Posted 2009-03-25 7:01 AM (#102036 - in reply to #102034)
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Click on the "SEARCH" feature at the top left of the page and type in "GENERATOR" or "GENERATORS"...... Read those posts over the past 365 days, that should answer most of your questions.

 

Search for "generators" here also.....  http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/listings/forum/39.cfm

 



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Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2009-03-25 7:01 AM (#102037 - in reply to #102034)
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Honda 3000 EU3000iSA very quiet runs up to 15hrs on economy mode.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 8:30 AM (#102043 - in reply to #102034)
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This Yamaha has enough capacity to run an A/C, light enough to move about by one person, and much less expensive and lighter than two coupled Honda units.

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Yamaha-YG2800i/p1209.html

Gard

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-03-25 9:47 AM (#102047 - in reply to #102043)
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Originally written by gard on 2009-03-25 9:30 AM

This Yamaha has enough capacity to run an A/C, light enough to move about by one person, and much less expensive and lighter than two coupled Honda units.

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Yamaha-YG2800i/p1209.html

Gard

 

Gard... If for some reason I ever have to replace my EF3000ise/B.... I'm going to take a look at the one you listed and this one!!

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outdoor/products/modelhome/475/0/home.aspx

 

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 10:27 AM (#102053 - in reply to #102034)
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Look at the difference in run times. Smaller gas tank. Similar weights, the newer one is quieter. Both are portable and compact, with good outputs.

Problem is, if your present generator is like most Yamaha products, you and I will both be long gone before it gives up. We have to want to replace the older units, not need to.

Gard

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Bells
Reg. Jun 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 10:30 AM (#102054 - in reply to #102034)
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Hi Gard -

Which one are you refering to?  "Similar weights, the newer one is quieter."

I am interested in small and quiet!

 

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Posted 2009-03-25 10:35 AM (#102055 - in reply to #102034)
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I was referring to the two Yamahas that Retento and I were discussing:

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Yamaha-YG2800i/p1209.html

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outdoor/products/modelhome/475/0/home.aspx

Gard



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Bells
Reg. Jun 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 10:47 AM (#102057 - in reply to #102034)
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Thanks Gard - I guess I should have asked which one is the newer one?  And is it quieter than the Hondas?
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 10:51 AM (#102058 - in reply to #102034)
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I think the one Retento was referring to is newer than the one I mentioned. Here's a link to Honda

http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/modeldetail.aspx?page=modeldetail&section=P2GG&modelname=EU3000IS&modelid=EU3000ISAN

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Bells
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Posted 2009-03-25 10:54 AM (#102059 - in reply to #102034)
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Thanks Gard - Just what I needed:)
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hogtownboss
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Posted 2009-03-25 3:21 PM (#102076 - in reply to #102034)
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CUMMINS/ONAN P4300ie! I just bought one a month ago after looking at Honda, Yamaha and even the on board units! My local RV dealer that carries Yamaha actually talked me into the Cummins/Onan.

More power and CHEAPER PRICE! You can get the on ebay for around $1499. plus shipping. I bought mine direct from Southern Plains Cummins in Arlington, Texas since they are right here close to me I just picked it up and saved the shipping cost.
We have a 3 horse Sundowner with a full stud wall, I set the gen in the first stall (for now) and open the escape door when I turn it on. This thing is HALF of the noise level as the Onan Microquiet we had before!
BEST $1036. I EVER SPENT!
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 4:09 PM (#102086 - in reply to #102076)
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Originally written by hogtownboss on 2009-03-25 3:21 PM

CUMMINS/ONAN P4300ie! I just bought one a month ago after looking at Honda, Yamaha and even the on board units!

I can't lift something that weighs 163#. I need something portable and compact, yet powerful enough for air. 68 # is more manageable.

Gard

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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 4:24 PM (#102089 - in reply to #102034)
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Two weeks ago I walked into the local Honda dealer with the intent of buying a 2000eu. We liked the portability of the 2000eu. We had decided that we could get by with that size, since we had only used our AC three times in the last four years. Well, he told me he had a used 3000eu that had 60 hours on he would sell me for $1000. Went home and we debated it. No way would I be able to lift 148# out of the trailer. Ended up buying it, put a wheel kit on one side, and am building a ramp to get it out of the first stall easier. Maybe I'll even put it in the back of the truck, but I got 1000 more watts for the price of the 2000eu.

Forgot to mention that I have a 6000 watt noise machine at home if the elec. goes out.

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Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 4:28 PM (#102090 - in reply to #102034)
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I too would love to purchase either the Honda or the Yamaha but just can't swing the price.  I look on Ebay every once in a while to see if I can snag a used one but even the used ones are pricey.  I saw this brand...never heard of it, can't find any bad reviews...only found 1 review of this specific model and they had just purchased it so still don't know if it will last. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Magna-3300W-Remote-Elec-Start-Inverter-RV-Generator_W0QQitemZ270361262270QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item270361262270&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

If that link does not work, it is a Magna 3300 with remote electric start.  The one thing I did notice in comparison to the Honda and Yamaha is that it is rated slightly higher for noise but not much. 

Has anyone ever even heard of the "Magna" brand?

Thanks.

 The item is still there ...guess the link just does not work. 



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perk2754
Reg. Oct 2007
Posted 2009-03-25 5:07 PM (#102094 - in reply to #102034)
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Thanks for all of the input!! I figure I can muscle 160# (with a wheel package) into my trailer but would like smaller. I'll look at everything everyone has suggested. I've been looking at some Northern Tool units that have Honda engines.  Guess I better wait for the actual trailer to show up before I buy a generator for it...lol
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retento
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Posted 2009-03-25 5:29 PM (#102095 - in reply to #102034)
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Just remember, you want to keep those decibles around 60 or below. If not, you'll soon find out who your true friends really are......
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hogtownboss
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Posted 2009-03-25 10:16 PM (#102107 - in reply to #102094)
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Check out the CUMMINS/ONAN P4300ie, they have more power than the Honda EU3000, cheaper price and the wheel kit is STANDARD EQUIPMENT, not an added charge!

I was more interested in having a generator with an electric start than I was worried about the 163#.  The smaller Yamaha's I looked at was all pull start and much higher price.

With it in the first stall (for now) I can roll it to the back of the trailer if needed.  Working on the frame work to install it in/under the front tool box on my truck.

Bottom line is with the electric start the better half is HAPPY!  If she's not happy, nobody's happy! 

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Posted 2009-03-26 10:53 AM (#102145 - in reply to #102034)
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Hogtown, how long does your generator run on a tank of gas?? We have I believe that same generator and a tank of gas doesn't last very long with ours. With the AC running it won't run all night long, it runs out of gas. Its kind of a pain in the butt. I was thinking of selling ours. It came "free" with the new 4Star trailer we just bought. But so far I'm not liking it LOL
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retento
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Posted 2009-03-26 11:26 AM (#102149 - in reply to #102034)
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Quote, buckskinlover.....It came "free"...... LOL!!
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Posted 2009-03-26 3:22 PM (#102160 - in reply to #102034)
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Yeah thats why FREE is in quotes " " LOL.
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Posted 2009-03-26 7:45 PM (#102179 - in reply to #102089)
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You got a great deal.
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coltaffyjo
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Posted 2009-03-26 8:20 PM (#102181 - in reply to #102034)
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I own a ten year old Honda 3000 inverter. It has provided many years of quiet, dependable service. Really appreciate the ECO throttle. This setting allows the unit to produce the amount of electricity as needed. Doesn't work as a High or Low setting. Pretty ingenious machine.......and one satisfied customer.......Hope you end as happy with whatever you purchase!!! Paul
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Posted 2009-03-26 10:10 PM (#102193 - in reply to #102145)
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Not sure yet, still cool weather here and I have only had it just over a week or so.... I do know the P4300ie model has only been out a little over a year or so.

I do know that I can run it on power saver mode with the a/c, tv, refrig all on at the same time. I do have to turn off the power saver mode to run the mirco with the above items on. We used a friends Honda before I made my mine up to buy this one and it would not run all the itmes above at one time and they have to fill it up when using the a/c overnight. I think most of them are only good for about 7 hours or so.
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traveller
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Posted 2009-03-27 10:25 AM (#102217 - in reply to #102034)
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Gard, I like the weight and size of the Yamaha that you recommended.  How hard is it to pull start if you know?  I have had a LQ trailer for two years now and would like to look into getting a generator and always read the comments on this forum about generators.  I really appreciate the advice that I get from all of you on this forum.
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Posted 2009-03-27 11:09 AM (#102220 - in reply to #102034)
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I noticed in comparing spec's of Honda and Yamaha that they disagree as to how many watts it takes to start up your 13,500 btu air conditioner. Honda says it takes 2800 and Yamaha says 2500. Just wondering which is correct?
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gard
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Posted 2009-03-27 11:24 AM (#102222 - in reply to #102034)
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Traveller

My ease or difficulty at pull starting a motor may be unlike your experience. To be sure, I would recommend that you visit a dealer or a friend of similar ownership, and try one for yourself.

It has a solid state ignition and modern overhead valve design. It's not a very large HP motor,and even when coupled to an inverter, has a relatively small rotating mass. Any average person should easily be able to start this generator. By eliminating the electric start, you also save the additional weight of a starter and battery to move about.

BOL  Gard

 

 



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Posted 2009-03-27 11:41 AM (#102223 - in reply to #102220)
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Originally written by genebob on 2009-03-27 11:09 AM

I noticed in comparing spec's of Honda and Yamaha that they disagree as to how many watts it takes to start up your 13,500 btu air conditioner. Honda says it takes 2800 and Yamaha says 2500. Just wondering which is correct?

They may both be accurate.

I would think there would be variables among the various A/C manufacturers, regarding starting and running draws, and wiring installation configurations. Also the age of your equipment will alter the loads, as it become less efficient with age and wear.

Some generators have a better tolerance for starting surges and overloads than others. That's why they often have a maximum rating, a working rating, and a half load rating. Very few can be run continuously at their maximum ratings indefinitely.

Gard

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hogtownboss
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Posted 2009-03-27 12:01 PM (#102226 - in reply to #102034)
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I do agree with gard on the pull start deal. To me it is nothing to pull start any of them. But I am 6', 250lbs! The better half is 5'4" about 120lbs and has had both arms worked on at the elbow so the pull start for her is OUT so the electric start is the only way I could go! Since as with most of us, it all about "her"...LOL

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perk2754
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Posted 2009-03-27 8:04 PM (#102266 - in reply to #102034)
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I found a Honda 3000 on the local Craigs List for $1,510.  Seller claims the check would be written directly to Honda in that he is selling a demo unit for a dealer.  Hmm, price sounds okay, I think, but the rest of it sounds a bit curious. 

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Posted 2009-03-27 8:24 PM (#102268 - in reply to #102034)
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I own and have used the Yamaha EF2400is for the past 3 years.  It will start and run my A/C unit.  I can not run a Microwave or Hair dryer at the same time as the A/C. But I can run my stereo and a few lights at the same time as the Air.

It's 72-74lbs so it luggable to lift in and out of the truck bed. I don't find it very hard to pull start. I usually leave it in the bed of truck and just reach over and pull the starting cord. So you know that is not a great angle to get any strength on the pull. But it starts right up.  I think the honda's are just a tad bit quieter. But the Yamaha is a lot quieter than most generators I hear.  You can join two of them together like the hondas if you need more than 2400 watts. It's an invertor technology product, So it will produce clean power for your electronics.

If you want to run your A/C AND another appliance ( like a Microwave, hairdryer, coffee maker) get the 3000 or bigger generator. For me I rarely run my A/C, so the Yamaha worked great for me.

 

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Posted 2009-03-28 1:02 AM (#102282 - in reply to #102266)
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I would not pay for it until you had it in your hands. TOO cheap for a Honda even being a demo unit!
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Posted 2009-03-28 5:05 AM (#102283 - in reply to #102034)
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Hogtown, you got that right. I would never turn over any money until I had tried the unit and it was loaded in my truck bed.  That does sound like a unusually low price on a Honda.
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Posted 2009-03-28 10:11 AM (#102290 - in reply to #102034)
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Does he want the check made to the company Honda or to a Honda dealer. If it is to a dealer, it should be easily checked out. If it was a "demo" unit they would sell it cheaper like the used one I bought. Only had 60 hours on it. Previous owner traded it in on two -2000's.
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Posted 2009-03-29 6:43 AM (#102335 - in reply to #102266)
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You can also check out the honda e-store. I bought my 3000 that way. Odered it and picked it up at the local Honda dealer.No shipping charges.I have had my Honda  for 3 yrs now and it has been great. Not one problem...

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Posted 2009-03-29 7:50 AM (#102338 - in reply to #102268)
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Originally written by Painted Horse on 2009-03-27 8:24 PM

I own and have used the Yamaha EF2400is for the past 3 years.  It will start and run my A/C unit.  I can not run a Microwave or Hair dryer at the same time as the A/C. But I can run my stereo and a few lights at the same time as the Air.



You are able to run your stereo and lights because they are 12 volt and are running off the battery/converter, whereas the hair dryer and micro are 120 volt and are direct from the genny.



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Posted 2009-03-29 10:31 AM (#102348 - in reply to #102338)
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You are able to run your stereo and lights because they are 12 volt and are running off the battery/converter, whereas the hair dryer and micro are 120 volt and are direct from the genny. {QUOTE}

 

The converter is also powered from your AC source, and is part of your total amperage/wattage draw from the generator.

Gard



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