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Posted 2008-11-13 7:44 AM (#94813)
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I was wanting some advice on teaching my 5yr gelding to hobble.  He  has always been bad about pulling back on while tied to a trailer and even though he has improved a great deal I would like to hobble train him so I would not have to tie him to the trailer.  I purchased a pair of neoprene hobbles, but have not tried them on him yet.  My daughter has started riding him for 4-H drill team and I think hobbles would be a great way to teach him patience.  I am hoping this type of restraint will be better for him than tying him to the trailer since he dislikes it so much.  Thanks for any suggestions.
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Posted 2008-11-13 12:17 PM (#94828 - in reply to #94813)
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Clinton Anderson has a great CD on hobble training and on teaching a horse to tie without pulling back.  I like his training methods he looks to have some great ideas for hobble training and covers several different methods.  His tying training does work.  I haven't actually tried out the hobbling because I don't have a safe, sandy place to do it.  I never thought hobbling would be a valuable tool in reality until I heard him explain the rationale.  His leading by the foot is also good.  Have a friend that verified that teaching a horse not to pull back from something on his foot or legs does work when they get tangled in something, like fencing.  Good luck.  Let us know how it goes.
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Posted 2008-11-13 12:38 PM (#94829 - in reply to #94813)
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I like Clinton's methods too; so I ordered the tie rings and started with those.  It didn't take my horse long to figure out that if he kept working at the tie ring he could eventually pull the lead all the way through it.  We would tighten up the tension on the rope and he would just pull harder to get loose.  After a really good muscle injury from pulling I gave up and just try not to tie him without being their with him while he is tied.  He has improved since he has gotten older, but always tries to pull if something frightens him or he is left tied alone. 
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-11-13 12:55 PM (#94830 - in reply to #94813)
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Cheez.Tie him with a knotted halter and get a broom and stand back and be prepared to swat.Fixes them real quick.High tie him to a single rope from a tree limb by himself for several hours a day for several days.That will fix that pulling/frantic I can't stand being alone.Plus when he sees YOU he'll appreciate you.
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Posted 2008-11-14 10:27 AM (#94879 - in reply to #94813)
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Another version of Hounddogs' suggestion is to use the knotted halter, a good stout rope tied short to an inner tube on a tree or stout post and leave him there to pull all he wants for a few hours. The inner tube takes the shock out of the jerk to redice the risk of injury. Old timers have used this method for years with great success.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-11-14 2:31 PM (#94892 - in reply to #94813)
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Yep it does wonders.Leave them tied for hours and do it for several days.I've used the inner tube and hosed  colts with water hose/nozzel on full.Water pick them all over until they stand quiet.Heck of a way to sack one out.Gets them use to being touched all over.Some OLD horses need it also.LOL

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Posted 2008-11-15 12:44 AM (#94918 - in reply to #94892)
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I never had a horse that pulled back, thank goodness, but my horse did learn to be hobbled.  It is the single most wonderful thing he learned at horse boot camp.  It does indeed teach patience.  When he was younger he'd be fidgety when I was trying to saddle him or work with him... the I'd put the hobbles on and he almost goes into a trance.  He has never panicked or fought them, since his initial training.  I ride endurance and if he gets really wound up in his little roundpen at camp, I can hobble him and the nervous behaviour comes to a halt as does he :)  The guy who hobble trained him uses calm methods and has a big roudpen with deep sand footing; it had solid sides that were about 10' high.  That was a very safe place for him to learn.

I remember a neighbor's horse being a puller; they had him tied to their tree and he pulled back so hard the big branch he was tied to broke off.  He took off with the branch getting tossed everywhere including hitting the horse.  I don't remember how they caught him but he was sure cut and gashed up.  I also don't remember if that cured him but it was a sight you wouldn't want to see again.

 

 

 

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-11-15 1:22 AM (#94920 - in reply to #94813)
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Horses can tear up a anvil.

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tom-tom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-11-15 9:58 AM (#94933 - in reply to #94813)
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You are correct; horses can tear up an anvil.  Thanks for the advice, but at this point we have decided to sell him which is a really hard decision.  My daughter needs a new horse for mounted drill team and I can't risk him freaking out while she is trying to saddle him.  I hope it can be cured and I hope he finds someone to teach him to stand tied.  He doesn't do it often, but I can't risk him hurting my daughter when he throws a fit. 



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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-11-15 11:23 AM (#94934 - in reply to #94813)
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Selling him is NOT the answer .They are not like a piece of machinery .Next horse may acquire same or worse habits. Learn to be a better horse owner and take care of the issue yourself.
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tom-tom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-11-15 4:37 PM (#94943 - in reply to #94813)
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No selling him is not the answer to fix his issue.  I agree with that.  But I don't think I should be accused of not being a good horse owner.  I have tried for 4 years to fix this issue and have kept this horse thru repeated injuries; most from pulling back.  I am selling him because my daughter needs a horse.  My child's needs come before my own.  Bottom line.  If I had unlimited time, pasture and money I would keep him, but at this point in our horse lives the kids come first.  As my husband says, "The inn is full".  In order to buy her a new horse for 4-H then someone must be sold.  Being that he is the one that "does not have a job" right now, then he must go to bring in a new horse.  Trust me; if he could have done what she needed he could have stayed. 
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-11-15 6:04 PM (#94948 - in reply to #94813)
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I understand the "full house" issue.If you sell,try to sell to a knowledgeable person who will teach him what he needs to know. If he is suitable otherwise, why not find a reputable "natural horsemanship" type trainer to send him to for 30-60 days.May be money well spent and cheaper in the long run.If you do that,be sure you and your daughter go weekly or more often to learn the proper techniques so you don't accidently undo what your horse learns. Good luck.
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Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-11-15 6:11 PM (#94949 - in reply to #94813)
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Good luck selling him.  I would appreciate any tips on selling.  I have an AQHA registered 7 yo gelding with no bad habits that I have been trying (hard) to sell for a year, with no takers at all.



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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-11-15 6:15 PM (#94950 - in reply to #94813)
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The market is the pits right now.Keep running ads,he will sell eventually.We've got several ads running and getting calls.One SSHBEA gelding being picked up tomorrow.
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tom-tom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-11-15 8:29 PM (#94954 - in reply to #94813)
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Already been thru two trainers who did natural horsemanship techniques.  I have given this horse every opportunity I could to learn what he needed to know.  We have attended clinics and I have trail rode him extensively.  He's just needs more time and attention than I can give him.  All of my others horses are well mannered and work (either trail or 4-H horses).  I know that the market is bad right now, but hopefully I will be able to find him a good home with a new owner who can give him the time he deserves. 
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-11-16 12:37 PM (#94965 - in reply to #94813)
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I've seen that issue fixed in short order not 4 years.You need someone to show YOU what to do.I know a couple gals that run summer time horse camps and fix that pulling back in short order.Every season they always have a few try them by breaking halters and hitching rails.LOL.Remember who's the BOSS.Not the horse.Didn't mean you wern't a good horse owner but maybe your too NICE with this horse and after all he's had 4 YEARS to get away with doing this.Any Menonites near you? They will  fix him and SHOW you what to do(maybe) if you have a open mind and do as per instructions.I type some of this in jest but it also has some truth.Good luck with how ever you handle it.

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genebob
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Posted 2008-11-18 10:41 AM (#95066 - in reply to #94813)
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My wife is one of those who are "too nice" to the horse. It seems like I have to take the "hard a**" approach to fix problems all the time. However, she can stop them from coming out the gate just by pointing a finger at them. She just doesn't like to discipline them. Tom-Tom, take a couple of days to use the method I told you about earlier, you might be really suprised. Otherwise best of luck in resolving this issue however you see fit, because you have to do what is best for you and your family.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-11-18 7:54 PM (#95095 - in reply to #94813)
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I train all my horses to hobble.  It's just not that big of a deal. We turn them out in hobbles when we are trail riding/camping.

My horses can run faster in hobbles than I can run. So even hobbled I have to keep a close eye on them, or they will be back at the trailhead.

As long as their heads are down grazing, I'll leave them to graze, as soon as their heads are up and looking around, It's time to take the hobbles off and highline them.

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Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2008-11-20 11:10 PM (#95168 - in reply to #94813)
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my approach to horse that pull back is a good neck rope, i have see a couple of other riggings that probably work well but are way more complicated...

the idea behind a neck rope is that it is much stronger than a halter and does not give the horse the leverage that a halter does... so what you do is tie a loop around a horses neck, that will not close i like a figure 8 knot, just a bit bigger than his neck(size does not really matter just so it is big enough not to cut off his windpipe) then i normally run it through the ring under the halter so you can still steer the horse if you need to, if you use any decent sized rope(ie a lead rope) any horse will have a hard time breaking it.... just make sure you tie them to something that wont break....
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Posted 2008-11-22 6:48 AM (#95216 - in reply to #94813)
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Tom Tom good luck with whatever you decide.  it's a tough decision but if you've worked w/ this gelding for 4 yrs and still aren't getting the results you want it may be time to sell him.   but with the economy the way it is you might have to practically give him away. 

 Just a thought-  it might be easier to teach a horse to hobble than teach a confirmed puller not to pull.  at this point your gelding dosn't have any expierence being hobbled.  so there are no bad habits to break.   A local trainer worked w/ my 5 yr old  only 1 time- she  put sheepskin wrapped hobbles that had about 4" of chain in between  on his front feet and let him go in the round pen.  I was scared to death to watch but after bumbling around an hr or so he was fine.  I"ve used them on him here since then w/ no problems.   BUT he can run fast in them- fast enough to get away from me when I chased him all over the front yard. 

  I don't know if hobbleing would make a horse stand tied any better tho.   the best way I know of to teach a horse to stand tied is to tie them to something immovable w/ a good rope halter and leave them there ovrnite.   it makes them very humble the next day.   It always amazes me at the dressage shows how many owners won't tie their horses.  same at clinics and barns where I trailer to for lessons.    my horses get excited sometimes tied to the trailer but at least I know they'll stand there no matter what. 

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Posted 2008-11-22 6:58 AM (#95217 - in reply to #94813)
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Old fashion leather hobbles work great.It sure does teach patience and to stand tied in one spot.My studs are hobble trained.Does WONDERS at shows or in big crowds standing at the trailer.Both of my stallions just shut down and get and stay calm in hobbles.
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Posted 2008-11-22 7:43 AM (#95218 - in reply to #94813)
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The more I read about hobble training, the more I like the idea.I have been around horses for many years and have not ever hobbled. Now I am thinking I want to teach mine to hobble. My question is this: What are the best kind of hobbles to get? I know nothing about them. Any suggestions as to which kind and where to purchase would be appreciated. (PS-I trail ride every weekend so they would probably get a lot of use.) Thanks, I have learned so much from this forum. Deb
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Posted 2008-11-27 2:58 PM (#95434 - in reply to #95218)
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The old school trainer who trained my horse used leather hobbles... they looke like a thick belt;  about 1.5 inches tall and had the thickness of 2 leather belts.  I bought a pair after I got him home and still use them on occasion, when I need to and make sure he doesn't forget how to use them :)  I don't think I would ever use nylon or the hobbles with the chain links.  These have always seemed safe.  I had horses for 30 years and did not ever think I'd have a horse that was hobble trained, but the trainer I took my new horse to insisted this was the first thing they had to learn, so I went along with it knowing he'd be patient, kind and firm.  It has been the single most important thing my horse learned, after whoa. 

 

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hounddog
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Posted 2008-11-28 10:06 PM (#95456 - in reply to #94813)
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Trainer I have used for years uses the big wide leather hobbles also.It also is one of the FIRST things he does with ANY horse brought to him.When he trail rides or take one to a show hobbles are always on his saddle.
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Posted 2008-11-29 1:18 PM (#95465 - in reply to #95456)
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I used to wear mine as a belt until the day my horse bucked then leaped forward; my "belt" (hobbles) got hung up on the saddle horn... that was the last time I wore them as a belt :) I now use and endurance saddle with no horn but my hobbles still tucked away in my saddle pack.
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Posted 2008-11-29 4:49 PM (#95473 - in reply to #94813)
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Leather or Nylon hobbles work fine. 1 1/2 to 2" wide.

I often hang mine from the rear cinch loop on my saddle, then I always have them when I stop for lunch.

A friend put his around the horses neck like a collar.  When they get to lunch or camp, the pull it off and hobble the horse.

The Utah hobbles are basically a leather strap that does a figure 8 around the horses pasterns.  You can buy a 2" wide nylon for $10 or the 1 1/2" leather for $20.00.  Just google Utah Hobbles or Davis Tent & Awning.

 

 

 

 

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