Front escape door? How much is it worth?
jtravis
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2008-10-25 11:05 PM (#93641)
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I'm looking at a couple of 2H BP slant trailers. One has a front escape door and the other doesn't--they seem to be about the same otherwise. One with escape door is about $600 more, is it worth it? (Price range about $7500-8000). I can see it being helpful if trailer got rear ended and the back door couldn't be opened. Are there other important advantages?  Thanks!

P. S. Even if I buy the escape door, I plan to teach my horse to back out and unload her that way most of the time, just so that I know she can.

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Posted 2008-10-26 4:06 AM (#93643 - in reply to #93641)
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The escape door is not really for the horse to unload from. It's a way for you to get out of the trailer when you load your horse. Escape door, not an unload door. $600.00 seem like alot, but I wouldn't have a trailer like that without one.... On either side.

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Lynn0202
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Posted 2008-10-26 9:28 AM (#93651 - in reply to #93641)
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I would never be without an escape door. I use the escape door on a slant load to put extra stuff for camping trips into the trailer. It's also helpful for rinsing out the black tank through the toilet. But if the trailer is only for day rides and you're typically hauling one horse, you probably don't have a need for an escape door. Unless you get caught hauling a horse that may or may not load, may or may not stand tied in the trailer....I always want an escape route. An escape door is a lot safer than the alternative of scooting under/around the divider. (Speaking from personal experience).

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Posted 2008-10-26 9:54 AM (#93653 - in reply to #93641)
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600. for the door is not bad at all. Ours was more the line of a 1000.! But I NEVER use it to get out of when I load my horse, that is really dangerous! Say you have a horse that is a little jumpy, where is he going to go? right through you and the escape door! I use mine to clean up the trailer and haul extra hay or ice chest in the front stall. I know there is a lot of horse that don't back out of the trailer or owners don't let them or teach them to back out! With a little time and staying CLAIM any horse will and can back out of a trailer anywhere anytime! We have had horses that stupid people have put a rope on there back leg and tried to pull out and after a few hours we get them out the RIGHT way! (1 has taken a couple of day, but we only spend a half hour or so at a time) Good Luck

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Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 3:25 PM (#93666 - in reply to #93641)
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Yes on the escape door.  For resale value if nothing else.  Yours may send into the trailer fine and back out slowly on command fine, but the next person may really need that door for a variety of reasons.  I recommend that everyone spend the time to teach their animals to load into a trailer without being led, and to back out as well....never know when you might have to utilize that training in an emergency.
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Posted 2008-10-26 4:35 PM (#93673 - in reply to #93653)
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I am with you in agreeme nt about using the escape door to "escape" from when loading a horse.I've never used it for this,and,it never occurred to me to because of the danger.This may spark some disagreements,and folks may do this,but,you won't catch me doing it.I've personally heard of a horse running right out of it behind the person and flattening them on the ground,and it is a wonder they weren't killed.
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Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2008-10-26 5:36 PM (#93676 - in reply to #93651)
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You definitely want an escape door. And I have witnessed a horse (small) diving through an escape door. So the moral of the story is:loading is dangerous unless you know what you are doing and there is a need to train your horse to load and unload calmly. It is a wonder more people aren't killed trying to load horses.
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Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 6:02 PM (#93677 - in reply to #93641)
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Be careful that the escape door doesn't push the axles back too far and dictate too much tongue weight. Some mfg. won't put an escape door on a 2H for this reason.
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Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-10-26 7:36 PM (#93681 - in reply to #93641)
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What kind of escape door is it?  On the bp trailer we used to have it had an escape door on the passenger side that was for a person and we never opened it while there was a horse loaded.  I've never seen one with an escape door for horses.
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Posted 2008-10-26 9:36 PM (#93684 - in reply to #93676)
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Originally written by dweber2000 on 2008-10-26 5:36 PM
loading is dangerous unless you know what you are doing and there is a need to train your horse to load and unload calmly. It is a wonder more people aren't killed trying to load horses.

 Well said dweber2000, I can't stand when we go ride somewhere or even to the vet and you someone pull in open the back door, then walk in and open the divider then run out and watch the horse struggle to turn around to get out!  Then when you offer them help, they tell you there is nothing wrong or "they have tired and the horse don't get it"!  I think to myself and keep reminding myself that it is not the horses fault and the horse only does what the owner ask of them.

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Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-10-26 10:07 PM (#93685 - in reply to #93641)
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Although we bought trailers with a three horse capacity, we rarely carry more than two. The front stalls are commonly used for storage, so using the escape door for any animal is not realistic. Our outside escape doors are used for access into the stall to retrieve any item that is being stored, while there are horses in the last two stalls.

If you have a trailer with a pass through door from the DR or LQ, you can also access your stored materials. However, in most cases, the pass through door cannot be used as an emergency exit when loading a horse. Because the door opens into the stall, and it is usually located at about the shoulder or forward belly area of the horse, you could be trapped into the forward part of the stall ahead of the door. It can't be opened with a horse in the stall.

The front stall escape door, if you can afford it, is very handy. How many horses you plan to carry and how you plan to use the front stall, and if you have a pass through door, will determine if the lack of one will be a deal breaker for you. I would not purchase any trailer that didn't have at least one of the two types of doors. A front stall without any type of exterior access, would be of little use for our needs.

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Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-10-26 11:21 PM (#93691 - in reply to #93641)
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A couple of questions I have always asked myself and couldn't answer. Maybe the wise informed people on this forum can help.(1) If it's an escape door why can't you open it from the inside?(2) How do you escape from any stall but the first one?(3) Related to #2. If it's so important to be able to escape, why don't they put escape doors on all the stalls?Just a few questions for you to contemplate.
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Posted 2008-10-26 11:24 PM (#93692 - in reply to #93641)
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Sorry, but his MAC won't let me make paragraghs.Any way all we ever use our front stall for is storage and as a mud room.
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Posted 2008-10-27 5:24 PM (#93739 - in reply to #93641)
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I've never used the escape door to unload a horse and all my trailers have had a steel chest bar that stays up when the door is open. I have personally seen a horse follow their less-than-genious human counterpart through the escape door.

My understanding of the escape door is for people only and it was to be used for the person to exit the trailer after the horse is loaded (straight load situation maybe) or to load/unload things out of that stall. Also, I have been led to believe that the construction around the escape door may not be sufficient to withstand a horse using it.

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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-10-27 5:40 PM (#93741 - in reply to #93641)
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She's asking about a TWO HORSE BP slant load trailer. 

to jtravis.. . as others have said, the escape door is for PEOPLE OR.. in the event of a wreck, someone being able to get into the trailer to help the horse(s).  BUT.. there's a 50-50 chance the trailer is going to end up laying on that side anyway - so it won't help in those instances.

If you have drop down windows, they are typically large enough for a person to get into the trailer in the event of an emergency. Sliding "bus" windows on the butt side should also be large enough to kick out / kick in / otherwise remove to gain access to the horse.

I say - it depends on the nature of the handler and the horse.  If you think you will be storing things in the front stall (bales of hay or large water tank) then get the door. 

Otherwise, keep it simple. Go for a rear tack and butt bar.

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Posted 2008-10-28 12:30 AM (#93762 - in reply to #93641)
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It's this one.

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/trailerdetail.asp?ID=156988

I don't plan to use it for unloading, though to me it looks like the front horse could go out that way if there was a need. I can definitely see a horse trying to rush out that way, which would be dangerous. I don't plan to lead the horse into the trailer and then "escape" through it--I plan to teach the horse to load herself and then back out. I was thinking more for emergencies--a friend who has a similar door told me it was also great for cleaning the trailer and for giving the horse a drink from a bucket if you were stopped on a long trip--buckets through the drop-down windows might be awkward.

If I get this one, I think it would be a good idea, after horse is loading, standing and unloading calmly, to make sure she will also stand calmly inside when that door is opened. Hopefully that will prevent her trying to rush out the door if there is ever a need to open it. Thanks for all the suggestions!

 

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Posted 2008-10-28 12:40 AM (#93763 - in reply to #93676)
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I definitely plan to train my horse to load/unload calmly. The need to do this is a big part of why I have decided to buy my own truck and trailer instead of trying to scrounge a ride with someone else if I ever want to take her anywhere. My horse's next-door neighbor at my boarding stable died in a trailer loading accident a couple weeks ago--I was already motivated to train mine to load calmly, but this was a huge reminder to me of the importance of good training. I don't plan to skimp on this.
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Posted 2008-10-28 5:28 AM (#93767 - in reply to #93641)
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I looked at that ad also.. However, luckily I still have my straight load which has prevented me from making any hasty impulsive need-to-have-it-now purchases.. When I get my trailer ordered, it will also have the escape door.. I chose that option specifically for use as a storage stall for hay, water, use as a cowboy shower enclosure, etc.  I didn't look feasible to have a horse jumping out of that doorway.. My silly goose would probably take down a hip.....I'd love to buy used, but can't find exactly what I want.. I'd also love to have a 3 horse BP (which there seems to be a LOT more available used with a few more amenities), but don't have the muscle to pull it safely..

Good luck! I live fairly close, so maybe we'll run into each other sometime.

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Posted 2008-10-28 4:29 PM (#93814 - in reply to #93641)
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Looks like a good deal. One comment on the write-up... those are not 60-40 doors. Look at where the 3 top running lights are and then look at the seam between the 2 doors. It's lined up in the center.

Not too big of a deal - I can get my horses to load with only 1 rear door open, but I don't have the rear tack so once they put their heads through that opening, the entire trailer is open.

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Posted 2008-10-28 4:34 PM (#93816 - in reply to #93641)
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Gabz, I don't think it is centered. It definitely isn't at 60:40, but looking at the latches on top, there is an offset isn't there?
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Posted 2008-10-28 4:38 PM (#93818 - in reply to #93641)
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I have a front escape door on my 2H slant load GN and I have actually used it recently to unload. I had a large mare in the front stall because it had more room and she was already cramped. Little crippled horse in back stall. When it came time to unload, I didn't want little crippled horse (first trailer ride) to have to learn to back right there and in the dark so unloaded mare from front stall and allowed baby to turn around and come out that way.

Call me paranoid but in case of a wreck of any kind, I would still like the first horse to have a possible route of escape. Me too, for that matter!

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Posted 2008-10-28 5:31 PM (#93824 - in reply to #93816)
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Originally written by horsey1 on 2008-10-28 5:34 PM

Gabz, I don't think it is centered. It definitely isn't at 60:40, but looking at the latches on top, there is an offset isn't there?

Only because the right-hand door overlaps the left-hand door a couple of inches. Ask me how I know.    (I have one).  The left-hand door has to be closed and latched before the right-hand door can be closed and latched.

And then, I pop a small clip in there to make sure the latch stays down. It's sort of like a clevis pin but it's called a "safety pin" here:

http://www.drillspot.com/products/352253/Approved_Vendor_5VU61_Safety_Pin



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Posted 2008-10-28 10:56 PM (#93843 - in reply to #93641)
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Thanks! And thanks for pointing out the doors aren't 60/40, though I really don't care about that. I see what you mean about the overlapping doors.
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Posted 2008-10-28 11:26 PM (#93845 - in reply to #93641)
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terri s- I'm not trying to cause an argument here, just trying to get things straight in my head. If the crippled one could turn around in the back stall, why did you have to take the other one out the front? Or was the crippled one the mares foal and you took the mare around to the back again right away? Just curious.
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Posted 2008-10-29 7:56 AM (#93854 - in reply to #93641)
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Sorry, guess that wasn't clear. The mare went out the front end, allowing me to move the divider so the little crippled girl had lots more room to turn around and go out face first, rather than trying to get around and get her to back out. There wasn't really enough room for her to turn around until the mare went out.

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Posted 2008-10-29 9:01 AM (#93856 - in reply to #93691)
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Hi Genebob

Mayby I can answer these questions for you.

1. The escape doors can only be opened from outside as if you could open them from inside - the horse might just get it open itself... also there should never be anyone in the trailer while towing.

2. The escape door is placed at the 1st stall so you can get the 1st horse out in an emergancy...to get the others out you can remove the hinge pins on the dividers(most trailers are designed that way - they are kind of quick release) then they too will have access to the escape door.

3. You could have escape doors on every stall if you so wished I supose... it all comes down to cost and structural integrety as well. Also if you have escape doors, you will not have drop down windows - or at least only very small ones.

 

I hope that answered you questions...

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Posted 2008-10-29 10:03 AM (#93859 - in reply to #93641)
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I don't have an escape door. In fact, thinking about it, none of my trailers did. I can see if there was a problem they might help but it would depend on the situation, you just never know. Anyway- I haven't had the need for one but most people who have one use it for access for storage in the first stall. If the trailer comes with it ,and its not a great deal more, then this wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Some people insist on a ramp for safety,some people wrap legs in bubble wrap for safety, some people tie horses in the trailer for safety. I don't do any of the listed but its personal perference not a rule written in stone.
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Posted 2008-10-29 10:08 AM (#93860 - in reply to #93641)
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Terri- Still not entirely clear. Sorry about that. In my slant loads the divider wo't go any more forward than the latch, so I don't gain any more room. Or did you remove the divider? I feel like I am my blonde wife for not figuring this out.
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Posted 2008-10-29 10:19 AM (#93862 - in reply to #93641)
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Barfly- The questions were more of a rhetorical basis. I think if I had to I would be able to empty my tack and collapse that a lot faster and easier than trying to take out stall dividers, especially the stud divider. While mine are aluminum and not that heavy, they are not that easy to handle because of their size and bulkiness. With all I carry in that first stall (chairs, table, hay, a box containing leveling blocks, awning tie downs, tools, etc) it would be harder to clear out so I could get the divider and then a horse out.
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Posted 2008-10-29 10:35 AM (#93867 - in reply to #93641)
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We all keep calling these side doors to the horse area "escape doors", I know I do, always have in the past.  Most of these doors have no way of unlatching from the inside, all of mine have been equipped with "cam latch" hardware, same latches as on the rear doors. I believe the term "access door" may be more in line for what we use them for.   What do all these trailer manufacturers call these "escape doors" that have no unlatching mechanism on the inside??.... "escape door on 1st stall"? "escape door in front of first horse"?? "the first stall has an escape door"?? If that door is closed and latched, then you got a better chance of escaping by.... Poking your head through the roof!!

  I know we use that access door on our Silver Star as the mid-tack, mid-tack door. We got a 7 foot straight wall DR, a 4 foot short wall mid-tack, then the first stall turns into another slant load mid-tack, you've never seeen anyone take so much "STUFF" to a show.... Sometimes... "I wonder if she even remembered to load the horses"!!!

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Posted 2008-10-29 10:57 AM (#93869 - in reply to #93641)
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Personally, I don't think I could do without an escape door. On my LQ trailer, I keep my ice chest, extra already filled haybags, buckets, and jugs of water for use during travel. I also keep the extra big stuff like table, grill, chaise lounge,directors chairs, scooter etc.

 If I am using the 4H and hauling mares with foals in box stalls, I like to stop every 2 hours or so to let those mares nurse. When I am stopped, I like to have some hay and water bucket down low  for momma and baby. It is much easier to set it inside the escape door then to drop it down and try to retrieve it thru the drop down head door when it is time to roll. I have a front ramp over a full escape door so I can also load and unload that route if I choose to. Over the years, we have learned that preventive measures in place are much easier on the young stock AND their handlers. An escape door is worth the extra $$$ up front  for safety, convienence and for resell.

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Posted 2008-10-29 11:17 AM (#93871 - in reply to #93641)
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I see your confusion. My divider telescopes so I can move it nearly to the front of the trailer. The crippled girl had nearly the whole trailer to turn around in.
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Posted 2008-10-29 11:20 AM (#93873 - in reply to #93641)
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(quote) My divider telescopes so I can move it nearly to the front of the trailer

Wouldn't in be nice if all the slant load trailers did this...

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Posted 2008-10-29 11:39 AM (#93874 - in reply to #93641)
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Off topic-mine is a 1997 Liberty Softouch and it had a lot of features standard that you have to pay extra for in other trailers. Wish I could find another one now that I'm ready for a bigger trailer but Travelong bought them out and they are not the same trailer anymore. Not bad, just different.
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Posted 2008-10-29 11:47 AM (#93875 - in reply to #93874)
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Originally written by terri s on 2008-10-29 12:39 PM

Off topic-mine is a 1997 Liberty Softouch and it had a lot of features standard that you have to pay extra for in other trailers. Wish I could find another one now that I'm ready for a bigger trailer but Travelong bought them out and they are not the same trailer anymore. Not bad, just different.

 

Do the dividers look like this one??

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Posted 2008-10-29 2:05 PM (#93884 - in reply to #93641)
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The last divider in my Titan Avalanche is a telescoping divider. That way, I can put it flat against the wall and latch it open (remember - no rear tack).

If it didn't telescope, it would stick out the back of the trailer (whoops)

The front divider (in the 3H GN) does not telescope.

BAck to the original question... EMERGENCY ESCAPE DOOR...

 

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Posted 2008-10-29 4:59 PM (#93891 - in reply to #93641)
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Retento-yes, mine look like that. Gabz-back to the original question of is it worth paying extra for an escape door, I think they are priceless.
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Posted 2008-10-29 7:48 PM (#93904 - in reply to #93641)
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My escape door has a handle on the inside so it will open from the inside...if the outside bar is open.



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Posted 2008-10-29 9:51 PM (#93917 - in reply to #93641)
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Terri-Now I feel better. Those are truly unique dividers. I also wish all trailers came that way. On my new Kiefer the back divider slides in about 6" so it can be open with the door shut. Thanks for the info. Retento- Thanks for the photo.
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Posted 2008-10-29 10:23 PM (#93920 - in reply to #93641)
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The other thing I like about telescoping it; I can fasten it to the rear tack as well and give big mama lots more room. She's pretty long and appreciates the space. If I need to stop in the summer I can open her door and leave the chest bar fastened so she can get more air. I just couldnt' be without one.
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