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Location: Central Arkansas | I have 10K miles on mine, now. It seems to be running better than it ever has. Now maybe it is time to consider "helping" to tweak it since it isn't going into the shop now after every roadtrip. I was told about a chip that plugs in to the diagnostic port under the dash that tells me everything the techs are seeing when they put it on their "computer" at the dealership. It seems to have enough power but would like to get more mpg if possible without causing more issues. Anyone know anything about these chips designed especially for the 08 powerstroke? Mine is the F450 w/4.88 4x4 towboss King ranch dually. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Its yours so do like you please.... But that 6.4 is about maxed out as it is.... If you're not having to take it to the shop every week, then I believe I would leave it be, it ain't what the old 7.3 was. Start hot rodding that 6.4 and you'll be driving the Freightliner all the time!!! http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f45/new-ford-tsb-08-6-4l-aftermarket-intake-exhaust-chips-158215/
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Location: Central Arkansas | I was afraid of that.............. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Sure you can chip the 6.4. just be aware Ford got very tired of paying warranty claims on "chipped" 7.3's. The 6.0 and the 6.4 ECM's have the ability to tell the Ford tech that you have indeed done so. And doing so can very easily be cause for Ford to void your engine warranty.
Yeah/yea.....Moss/Magnason and all that. The fact is Ford can and should void your engine warranty....yeah, you can fight it out in court, I'm sure Ford has a legal staff ready to defend their position. |
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Location: western PA | Originally written by wyndancer on 2008-09-15 4:31 PM just be aware Ford got very tired of paying warranty claims on "chipped" 7.3's. QUOTE] What's the problem with that combination? |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Gard,
People were chipping the 7.3 to unheard of levels, then the breaking of crankshafts started, connecting rods bending, that sort of thing. The early Ford PCM's were unable to show that the internal factory programing had been modified, so the folks that caused these issues to themselves found out that a rebuilt 7.3 was to the tune of $10k....and guess what, they didn't like the idea of paying that, so they pulled the chips out and went to Ford crying for warranty work.
Ford played that game for only so long. Now they've, rightly so, taken a pretty firm stance on aftermarket power enhancements.
Now it's, "You play, you pay baby."
That said, I run a mild Banks chip in my '96, maybe 40hp, and run maybe 60hp from Jody Tiptonin my '01....but did understand that I the repair would be on my dime during the 5 year/100k miles engine warranty.
The 6.0's are notorious for stretching head bolts, causing combustion gases to get into the coolant and overflowing the coolant bottle....and it doesn't appear to take much, if any, over stock to cause that. In fact some 6.0's have done it in stock power. |
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Location: western PA | Thanks for the info. I use my six way on the lowest trailer setting and love it. No necessity for a higher setting even on the steepest hills I've encountered. Don't want to return to a stock motor. Heard about the same $10k for a replacement motor. Five years now on the chip, driving the 7.3 as easy as possible using the torque, proper warm ups and cool down periods with synthetic lubes. Hope it continues its trouble free ways. I've never owned any brand truck but a Ford. With the new Navstar/ Ford diesel issues, I don't think the next one will be a blue oval. Gard |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Gard,I agree. You can drive a chipped PSD pretty safely, to the motor, if you abide by a few rules. Installation of an exhaust gas temp gauge is a must (pyrometer), and then don't exceed 1300 degrees pre-turbo for any extended amount of time.I happen to believe that with the up coming EPA regs, none of the diesels are going to have good mileage or be reliable.I have a friend that works in the industry, he jokes about the 2010 EPA rules. Says basically the new engines are diesel powered air cleaners. They bring in dirty air, burn more fuel and output clean air.....and with the power that's left over, well that's what gets you down the road.  |
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Location: Central Arkansas | I do not seem to be having any power issues at the present. I was told that the chip that plugs in to the diagnostic port under the dash would be telling me everything the truck was doing and recording it. It has been in the shop several times for engine issues, they say there are no codes being thrown and they can't duplicate them. I even took them the truck and the trailer that it was pulling when something hung up under the hood causing it to burn thru a full tank of fuel from Shawnee to Ft Smith! They found no codes! Kept the rig 4 days. Although it is performing good right now, I suspect that is only temporary. I thought it would give me piece of mind knowing that I could go back to them and say, here....this is what it did, how long it did it... now fix it! Every trip out with a trailer, this truck has had engine related issues except the last two local short trips. I backed into a curb with both back tires 2 weeks ago. Since then, my mileage went as high as 14mpg without a trailer and has held at 9mpg with a 3H LQ for the last 200 miles! But, then the truck tripped 10K in the last 2 weeks also. So I really do not want to mess with the engine for more power, I was just looking for something that could warn me as to a problem is going on before it leaves me stranded by myself at nite with livestock. |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | (quote)... I even took them the truck and the trailer that it was pulling when something hung up under the hood causing it to burn thru a full tank of fuel from Shawnee to Ft Smith! No, that's something hung up underneath the rear of the truck....Them tall, 4.88 gears!!! I would imagine that your truck just mashes the hills, but I bet the Freightliner is just as good, if not better on fuel than the F-450. I stopped by and looked at this one yesterday..... http://www89.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/Dispatch.jsp?__action=&__action2=&.CurrentState=SearchServiceZipCode&DispatchBindingSet=zipcode&zipCode=27803&processZipCode=ToVLS&statetoken= First thing that came to my mind was your post.... Got into my ole' gas burner Chevrolet and came on home..... Woke up this morning with no "Buyers Remorse"!! |
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Location: western PA | You may be confusing the function of a "chip" with that of a diagnostic reader. A chip replaces the MEC computer's functions, with modified instructions that improves the engine's power and mileage. In addition, it will change the transmission shift points, and the torque converter lock up. The modified chip physically replaces the factory installation, and if it has variable settings, an external switch or touch pad will make the options available to the driver. There are programmers that can plug into the port, and have the ability to change some of the computer's factory settings. A reader, as you stated, digitally illustrates the fault codes stored within the computer's memory, for engine or accessory trouble shooting. It is not used for programming, and will not change the stock settings. Gard |
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Location: Central Arkansas | Thanks for the info. I guess a reader is more what I had in mind. I was "told" that the new chips did both and that once it was out of warranty, then the truck performance could be tweaked. I am just thankful that it seems to be running better. I bought it to haul but have been driving it more like a SUV trying to get miles on it to get it both broke in and the kinks ironed out of the engine. 60K+. I should have bought a better year. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | The dealers have hardware/software that does in fact log engine/powertrain events. These are usually installed after numerous attempts to replicate an issue, at the dealer, fails.
I have some software I use installed on a laptop to read trouble codes, clear them, and watch certain PCM functions. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | You bought a FIRST year engine with major improved changes over the 6.0 but still a first year.What did you expect.Plus a new ERA of emiisons control.2010 models will be another new era.Would have waited if possable for a mid year build date 2009.You go tinkering with it and it breaks Ford will thumb their nose at ya.If their sales were slamming maybe not but not in this economy. |
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Location: Central Arkansas | Yeah hound dog, I screwed up. I waited and bought the Job#2 which is technically the SECOND year, so I was told. I listened to everyone here on the board BEFORE I bought. Most of the posters that really seem to be on the ball with their posts seemed to think all the issues had been worked out. I had thought that also after researching it to death for months before I purchased. I needed to buy a new dually this tax year. In hindsight, I should have waited..... but my FORD guy swears they will get it right and I guess I just have to hope he does. Or just keep on as I am and only using it for the run around trailer and local stuff. |
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Location: Arkansas | We have an Edge programmer, it can read codes without having to install a performance program. We run our 7.3 with an enhanced Edge program, but also have the additional guages to monitor exhaust temps, tranny temps, and boost pressure. This programmer will see what codes have been thrown with the factory program etc. Maybe that would help you have the info in hand when you go to the dealer to continue your warranty work. Good luck! |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | First I would not hunt for diesel truck info on this site.Don't get me wrong.This is a fine site for trailers and horses and the minor truck discussions.But for the real more in depth skinny there are several Ford truck sites etc.that that is all there devoted to.Second these late model trucks have more horsepower and torque then ever before.Almost double what was in the 90s.My 03 Dodge 4x4 6 speed dually 4x4 is stout.I can leave in 6th gear with 4.10 gears pulling 10500 to 12k depending on how many horses and gear up the most steepest inclines at mid 60 mph without down shifting that I've encountered so far.Some I have had to drop to 5th but not the norm.This is without a fueling enhancement box or programmer.I've got a Quad 30/60/100 box and I've used it before for a short while.Yea its fun but heck,its really not needed on these late model trucks.My 03 is a 305horse with 555foot lbs of torque.The newer trucks are almost a 100 foot lbs of torque more then mine.
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Location: Arkansas | Ah, I should have mentioned my one ton is a 2000 model. |
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | Only way someone will get my 04 Dodge dually away from me is to pry it from my cold dead hands. LOL I liked the new trucks butt I knew better. Glad I waited. Many a mile left on this one. |
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Location: MT | I think a $10,000 dollar replacement cost for a ford engine would be a bargain. My 2004 6.0 engine was replaced at 60,000 miles for $17,000 dollars. The warranty covered the replacement cost but the substantial income I lost was incidental and therefore not recoverable. I wouldn't chip a ford engine under warranty. It's been my experience with three ford 550's ('99 V-10, '04 6.0, & '08 6.4) that you will probably need the warranty. |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | BUY A DODGE! Mine just turned 20-k with the 6.7 and asain 6 speed auto and was getting 10 hauling a almost 20-klbs 4 horse trailer loaded and 12 unloaded, now that I have 20-k the milage has increased to over 12 loaded and 15 unloaded with no chip. fixing to install a S&B intake system and 5"exhaust system behind the gov. grap. The S&B is also made for the 6.4 ford and works well for the 269. buck they cost. |
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Location: Broomfield, CO | I have a job one F450 with 430 rear end. It now has 26,000 miles on it and NOW I love it. It was only getting 5-6 MPG pulling my LQ trailer(18,000 lbs) but now it is all broke in and Im getting 9-10+ mpg pulling the trailer. I have put 3 radiators in it and a new DPF filter. I even thought of getting a Dodge, I test drove one pulling my trailer with my stuff and the best mileage I could get the whole weekend was 8.3. I LOVE MY F450! I had a 2004 6.0 and put a new engine in at 22,000 miles. Traded it off at 36,000 miles for the F450. I have hit Terrible storms, snow and rain and would not want to be in any other truck....It has NEVER left me stranded. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Is the 450 a new 6.4? I assume it is because of the radiator issues. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Originally written by hounddog on 2008-09-23 6:44 PM
Is the 450 a new 6.4? I assume it is because of the radiator issues.
It must be....DPF on it
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Duh on me.Missed that! |
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | (Quote) It now has 26,000 miles on it and NOW I love it. I have put 3 radiators in it and a new DPF filter. It has NEVER left me stranded. 
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | The radiators were a vendor issue.Lots of them leaked,LOTS.Ford forums were covered up with posts about leaking radiators.That issue got resolved.Now the particulate filter has been a issue on all the new diesels. |
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Location: Broomfield, CO | All of the work on my truck was warranty. The radiators were JUST a drip, so I was able to get my horses and kid home safely. MY 2004 f350 left me broke down alone all over Kansas and Oklahoma. I blame the DPF filter on enviromentalists... Its technology forced on us. |
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Location: hartfield, va 23071 | I think you can put any of the banks stuff, programmers and other products and not void warranty my friend said that their dealer put a programmer on their 05. On my 06 dodge 350 with 4.10 rear, I put K & N intake, edge juice with an attitude not my milage with 2 horses and 8 foot sw LQ trailer is 13.5 going to put an 5in exhaust. |
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Location: Claxton, Ga. | Originally written by daisycake123 on 2008-09-29 12:17 AM
I think you can put any of the banks stuff, programmers and other products and not void warranty my friend said that their dealer put a programmer on their 05. On my 06 dodge 350 with 4.10 rear, I put K & N intake, edge juice with an attitude not my milage with 2 horses and 8 foot sw LQ trailer is 13.5 going to put an 5in exhaust. Don't kid yourself into thinking anykind of programmer is O.K. If they find it on your truck, or traces of it, you will have a voided warranty. Hence, if you mod a truck, YOU are your own warranty station. |
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Location: Danielsville Georgia | Add that stuff and have a engine etc.fail and watch how fast Ford says BYE BYE on warranty.If you want to argue about the Moss whatever act Ford will more then glad to see you in court in what ever decade you so desire.Meanwhile.You know the rest. A DEALER can and some do install such items.BUT FORD won't back nothing after such.None of the auto manufactures will.Don't blame them eaither.
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Location: hartfield, va 23071 | Ford wont even stand behind any of their diesels one they get a few miles on them. My friend had one stayed in the shop more than her yard, Ford would not do anything she did traded for a dodge and it gets better milage. |
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Has anyone chipped their 08 Ford, yet?
