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Location: Barnesville, Ga. | I have been asked to consider delivering a horse for someone. I was wondering what is the going rate per loaded mile and/or unloaded mile. One way is about 260 miles. Any information would be appreciated on knowing how much to charge if I dedcide to do this. Thanks. |
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Location: parker, co. | Be very carefull if you do this as there is a liability issue. Also most insurance policies state that if you get in an accident and it is being used as a business, they will NOT cover the damage. |
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Location: western PA | Most homeowner's insurance policies specifically exclude large animals and "car pooling". Check your policies with your agent before you decide to haul. Gard
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Location: Rocky Mount N.C. | Say if you charged a dollar a mile for the round trip. 520 miles x $1.00 per mile = $520.00 total.... You're going to spend $200.00+ of that on fuel. What if you blow a tire? loose a wheel bearing? It's going to take you approx. 10 hours or better to do the trip, not counting the time loading, unloading, hitching and unhitching from the trailer. Your time is worth something...... What's the horse going to tear up on your trailer? Is he a kicker, stomper, cribber? Do you really want to do this?... Think about it. |
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Location: Barnesville, Ga. | Ok, let me start again. First I am not wanting to get into the horse hauling business. The horse to be delivered is an pony from the lesson barn where my daughter has taken lessons for 2-3 years. I know the pony and he is not destructive and hauls well. The seller does not have a trailer to make the trip nor the time to deliver him due to working a daily job in addition to her lesson barn. The seller is late in a pregnancy and does not need to make this trip. Regardless of who delivers the horse I was trying to find out a mileage rate for whoever hauls the pony. The seller does not want to have someone she does not know or trust haul the pony and I can't blame her. I know there are risks and that things can happen on the road; but just trying to help a friend and maybe make a little money at the same time. It is not something I plan to do for a living. I have a good truck and reliable trailer and the trip is mostly interstate. I just wanted an idea of what to charge if I decide to do this. Thanks. |
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Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey | I would say that $1.00 a mile would cover expenses, and if it where a friend of mine that's what I would charge. If you are wanting to pocket some cash out of the deal you would go up from there. |
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| You need to charge $1.50/mile to cover your fuel, wear and tear on your truck and maybe put a little money in your pocket |
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Location: western PA | The best time to find out if you have insurance coverage is before there is an accident. Be very careful hauling or handling anyone elses animals, until you have proper, verified, coverage. Helping someone out, and just doing a favour could be very expensive. gard |
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Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey | Only you know how good a friend you have in her, if she is a good friend, then she will be very appreciative for you helping her out. I try to error on the side of my friends, not the lawyers. |
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Location: Foley, MO | Well, I've never lied to an insurance company,  but if I ever did it would go something like this... I was haulling my daughter's lesson pony we sold to another barn out of state and XXX happened. Here's the accident report. Send me my check. Keep it simple. If it were me, I'd charge a reasonable price for hauling and handling...$1.00 sounds about right. If it's a friend and you're doing a favor, keep the price reasonable. |
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Location: North of Detroit, MI | Use Mapquest and determine the mileage. Then using your known MPG, compute how many gallons of fuel. Add 5% to cover getting to the originating farm, getting lost, stopping for food, etc. Then, add something appropriate for your time & wear & tear on your rig. $1 a mile as been the standard for quite a while now. I'm not sure if that really covers all costs involved anymore. I agree with the potential liability issues. You need to, AT A MINIMUM, have a verbal discussion about who pays for vet in the event of injuries to the horse, and who pays for repairs, in the event of injuries to your rig. AND... if the pony has been sold to the buyer already - then you MUST make these agreements WITH THE BUYER - not your friend who is the seller. |
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Location: North Carolina | Originally written by gabz on 2008-08-22 10:55 AM AND... if the pony has been sold to the buyer already - then you MUST make these agreements WITH THE BUYER - not your friend who is the seller. Excellent point ... You'll have a legal responsibility to the owner of the pony at the time of injury. |
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Location: parker, co. | If you charge anything for taking the pony, the insurance co. can and will consider it business use and it may not be covered. Just be sure to cover all your bases.... |
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Location: Georgia | Maybe figure up your cost at $1.50/mile and swap out the amount in lessons. Your daughter gets more lessons, your friend is not out any cash, and the lessons will cost you less, everybody wins. In case of an accident you can state you received no money for the trip. |
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Location: Kentucky | Good luck on your decision and, if you go, your trip! It's nice to know there are some folks out there still willing to help out a friend. I trust all will turn out well for everyone. |
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Location: Barnesville, Ga. | Thanks for all the suggestions. We have not decided what to do about delivering the pony yet or who will take him. I'm just trying to help her out; she has taught my kids so much and I know she is unable to deliver him herself. |
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Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey | You sound very appreciative for what she has done for you and your family, I feel that she will feel just as appreciative towards you. I say haul the girls pony and don't worry about the lawyers. |
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Location: Ocala, FL | As soon s you haul a horse for any money (even gas money) you are hauling commercially and special insurance is required. Your auto/trailer insurance will NOT cover you. If something really bad happens and the horse is injured or dies ........... then what???? Is the buyer going to sue you? or report you????? You could lose a great deal by trying to help a friend. If you are indeed trying to help a friend, why are you also trying to make money? Your "friend" should hire a professional, properly insured hauler. |
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Location: Barnesville, Ga. | I never imagined how much negative feedback this question would cause. Yes I know the risks and more that likely it won't be me to deliver the horse. Second believe it or not the seller does not even own a computer so she asked me to research what the going rate is to ship or haul a horse. And as far as hiring someone qualified and licensed as a hauler there is no in this area that does that. I am sure the pony will eventually make it to it's new home; I guess it's one of those things you never think about until the situation arises. I have always bought and sold locally so this is new for me. Thanks to the folks who seemed to understand that there are still folks out there who just want to help out a friend. |
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Location: Southern New Mexico | Have the seller ride with you. Then she can pay for the gas and money never exchanges hands. No "commercial" problems. I've hauled for friends, but never people I dont know. |
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Location: Danielsville,Ga. | Originally written by Buffy111_99 on 2008-08-26 1:25 PM
As soon s you haul a horse for any money (even gas money) you are hauling commercially and special insurance is required. Your auto/trailer insurance will NOT cover you. If something really bad happens and the horse is injured or dies ........... then what???? Is the buyer going to sue you? or report you????? You could lose a great deal by trying to help a friend. If you are indeed trying to help a friend, why are you also trying to make money? Your "friend" should hire a professional, properly insuredhauler. Two rules apply in this case number one: In the event something happens to the pony in transit,you have be proven negligent or at fault. Number two: The most they can collect under any scenario,is the amount they paid for the pony. Its not a big deal,haul the pony for your friend. |
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Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey | If somebody doesn't haul this pony for this girl,.........................I'm going to come and do it. |
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Location: MI. | What does your gut tell you?.........If you want to help her, then do it. You sound to me like someone who if an incident occured in transit, would be able to word things accordingly as to minimalize any legal issues. One thing, have an open communucation with the seller about who pays the buyer (cost of the pony/vet bills etc.) if something were to occur in transit. Sorry, you don't want to ruin a friendship but certain aspects of this should be acknowledged. If she's a good friend she'll understand and won't be offended.
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Location: North of Detroit, MI | Originally written by Gone on 2008-08-28 7:34 AM What does your gut tell you?.........If you want to help her, then do it. You sound to me like someone who if an incident occured in transit, you would be able to word things accordingly as to minimalize any legal issues. One thing, have an open communucation with the seller about who pays the buyer (cost of the pony/vet bills etc.) if something were to occur in transit. Sorry, you don't want to ruin a friendship but certain aspects of this should be acknowledged. If she's a good friend she'll understand and won't be offended. Exactly how I feel. "certain aspects of this should be acknowledged" I've hauled friend's horses ... but it was always with the understanding that "stuff happens". Your original post was about a mileage rate.
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Location: KY | tom-tom there are bunches of ads by commercial haulers in the classifieds of all the horse magazines. You might call one or two and find out how much they charge. Also, one of them may be going the same way as the pony and can add it to the van. Really I kind of agree with HWBAR in that since I am now retired (from being a lawyer) maybe I should come get the pony..... Anyway, I would do it for a friend for the cost of the fuel. jmho |
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Location: Texas | Where is this pony and where does he want to go? |
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Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey | Originally written by Tx. Vaquero on 2008-08-28 6:55 PM
Where is this pony and where does he want to go? I don't know where he wants to go, but he's gonna have a birthday before he gets there, if somebody don't load his little ass and get him to where he is going. |
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Location: Texas | That's kinda what I was thinking. Christ, he could die of old age while everybody worries about all the legal liability BS. We've got guys going a lot of directions and maybe we could get him hauled, because I guarantee none of them give a rat's a$$ about the what ifs and none of us are going to let our lives be controlled by worrying about a bunch of crap like that. |
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Location: KY | I want to know also: Where is the pony and where does he want to go? |
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Location: Barnesville, Ga. | Thanks for all the concern about the pony! I just got back into town from a Labor Day trip with my own horses so I have not called to check with my friend about if the pony got delivered or not. I spoke with her before my trip and she was going to try and deliver him yesterday if she could get in touch with the buyer. He was to be delivered from central GA to south GA; Savannah area. I'll check and get a status. Another friend was willing to take him on Sunday if they could arrange a delivery. |
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Location: NY | if you and your friend are close then trailer the pony if it has not been done yet. the trailer company near me charges $1.10 loaded per mile $1.00 empty true friend help each other if they can |
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Location: KY | loveduffy, you said it very well! |
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| I am on the site u-ship all the time bidding on hauling things and the way I figure my bid is by the total distance of the trip (if you don't have a back hull you would figure it for 520miles)divide it by your fuel mileage and then take how many gallons of fuel you will use and add 15 to 30 gallons extra times the price of fuel 10 to 20 cents higer than actual this gives you a little extra cash. If you have a smart phone I recomend down laoding gas budy it tells you the price of fuel in the town you select in order from lowest to highest for what ever grade you select. Just how I do it and a tool to help you figure it hope it helps you. |
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