Posted 2008-02-04 11:34 AM (#76036) Subject: For Those With Daughters
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Thought this might be interesting..........
My daughter turned sixteen years old today; which is a milestone for most people. Besides looking at baby photos and childhood trinkets with her, I took time to reflect on the young woman my daughter had become and the choices she would face in the future. As I looked at her I could see the athlete she was, and determined woman she would soon be. I started thinking about some the girls we knew in our town who were already pregnant, pierced in several places, hair every color under the sun, drop outs, drug addicts and on the fast track to no where, seeking surface identities because they had no inner self esteem. The parents of these same girls have asked me why I waste the money on horses so my daughter can ride. I'm told she will grow out of it, lose interest, discover boys and all kinds of things that try to pin the current generation's slacker label on my child. I don't think it will happen, I think she will love and have horses all her life. .......... Because my daughter grew up with horses she has compassion. She knows that we must take special care of the very young and the very old. We must make sure those without voices to speak of their pain are still cared for. Because my daughter grew up with horses she learned responsibility for others than herself. She learned that regardless of the weather you must still care for those you have the stewardship of. There are no days off just because you don't feel like being a horse owner that day. She learned that for every hour of fun you have there are days of hard slogging work you must do first. Because my daughter grew up with horses she learned not to be afraid of getting dirty and that appearances don't matter to most of the breathing things in the world we live in. Horses do not care about designer clothes, jewelry, pretty hairdos or anything else we put on our bodies to try to impress others. What a horse cares about are your abilities to work within his natural world, he doesn't care if you're wearing $80.00 jeans while you do it. Because my daughter grew up with horses she learned about sex and how it can both enrich and complicate lives. She learned that it only takes one time to produce a baby, and the only way to ensure babies aren't produced is not to breed. She learned how babies are planned, made, born and, sadly, sometimes die before reaching their potential. She learned how sleepless nights and trying to outsmart a crafty old broodmare could result in getting to see, as non-horse owning people rarely do, the birth of a true miracle. Because my daughter grew up with horses she understands the value of money. Every dollar can be translated into bales of hay, bags of feed or farrier visits. Purchasing non-necessities during lean times can mean the difference between feed and good care, or neglect and starvation. She has learned to judge the level of her care against the care she sees provided by others and to make sure her standards never lower, and only increase as her knowledge grows. Because my daughter grew up with horses she has learned to learn on her own. She has had teachers that cannot speak, nor write, nor communicate beyond body language and reactions. She has had to learn to read her surroundings for both safe and unsafe objects, to look for hazards where others might only see a pretty meadow. She has learned to judge people as she judges horses. She looks beyond appearances and trappings to see what is within. Because my daughter grew up with horses she has learned sportsmanship to a high degree. Everyone that competes fairly is a winner. Trophies and ribbons may prove someone a winner, but they do not prove someone is a horseman. She has also learned that some people will do anything to win, regardless of who it hurts. She knows that those who will cheat in the show ring will also cheat in every other aspect of their life and are not to be trusted. Because my daughter grew up with horses she has self-esteem and an engaging personality. She can talk to anyone she meets with confidence, because she has to express herself to her horse with more than words. She knows the satisfaction of controlling and teaching a 1000 pound animal that will yield willingly to her gentle touch and ignore the more forceful and inept handling of those stronger than she is. She holds herself with poise and professionalism in the company of those far older than herself. Because my daughter grew up with horses she has learned to plan ahead. She knows that choices made today can effect what happens five years down the road. She knows that you cannot care for and protect you investments without savings to fall back on. She knows the value of land and buildings. And that caring for you vehicle can mean the difference between easy travel or being stranded on the side of the road with a four horse trailer on a hot day. When I look at what she has learned and what it will help her become, I can honestly say that I haven't wasted a penny on providing her with horses. I only wish that all children had the same opportunities to learn these lessons from horses before setting out on the road to adulthood.
written by Tracy Meisenbach of Trinity Appaloosas in Brookneal, VA
Posted 2008-02-04 4:56 PM (#76060 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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Good one gard!
I wish my daughters had learned all that. In my case, they seem'd to have figured out to have dad do all the work and they enjoy the fun.
But it gives me some good ideas of object lesson to try and teach them, at least the younger ones. I have 5 daughters, 3 still at home who will go for a ride with me. They are all game for a good ride. In fact my wife won't come with us, because she says we don't now how to do a short ride.
My 18 year old daughter enjoys taking boyfriends for horse rides. Where she feels in total control of her horse and they are terrified of theirs.
Posted 2008-02-05 9:33 AM (#76114 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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You have beautiful daughters, beautiful horses and a beautiful state. With five daughters, I would not be able to take enough aspirin at one time to cure my ills. One was my limit. You must be an exceptional person to have done so well.
Horses can be an intimidating factor for an unwary suitor.
Posted 2008-02-05 10:15 AM (#76118 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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Lived in a urban area so there were dogs, cats, a snake, and a frog. My family learned about which ones need their freedom just to stay alive - the frog and snake. Which ones to keep and how to take care of them - Had a baby duck - neighbors bought and then they did not want - so they asked my daughter if she wanted it and she said "Yes." The Human Society helped us find a super home for the duck - we felt that it needed a home where it could be with other ducks. That was a experience. 8-) We almost lost our dog - she having problems with the birth. The vet was great but we lost three puppies but cherished the one that did live. We just lost our main cat - she was old but very muched loved - we all said "Good By" before she had to be put to sleep. I agree with Garb - without animals in our family we would not have the compassion, respect and values. I have three daughters and one son - there were times I felt I lived with Elly May Clampet.
Posted 2008-02-05 10:44 PM (#76162 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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My daughter JUST turned 18. We live in rural Oregon. She's been riding since she was 7 years old but has been horse crazy all her life. She saved up to buy her first pony and the 2 horses that followed. She got herself a job on a well known cutting horse ranch in our area and knows exactly what she wants to do after she graduates from High school (train horses) and plans to apprentice under a cutting horse trainer she met through her employer. Before that, she gave horseback riding lessons in our arena after school and on weekends. She gets herself up at 4:30 or 5 a.m. every school morning so she can take care of her horses before school. I see her briefly at dinnertime than she disappears down to the barn to "work her horses" and clean stalls. She accepts people as they are, not caring if they are in a "popular" crowd or not. She is funny, intelligent and has many friends, male and female, from all walks of life. I'm not sure how much she learned from her horses and what they have taught her about life, but I do know she is a fine young lady who is tolerant of others, has never smoked or taken drugs, and is so responsible and mature for her age. I've always supported her interest in horses and I can see she is determined to make it in the horse world. She is not afraid of challenges and is not easily deterred from her goals. I never thought about it before because it seems like the horses have always been a part of our lives, but she MAY have turned out differently if it wasn't for them......
Posted 2008-02-06 4:39 PM (#76239 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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Thanks Gard. Very thought provoking...My daughter isn't nearly as "horse crazy" as I am, but she sees how I am with them(and she helps out) and my hope is that she'll learn by example. I have 2 sisters and 2 brothers. All 4 of them got into "trouble"...pregnant, drugs, alcohol, police.....Luckily I had my horse and was able to avoid all that bother! I'm so glad. I wonder what the cost breakdown would be of having a horse vs. rehab, lawyers, and doctor bills? My guess would be that the cost of the horse would come out far, far less.
Posted 2008-02-06 7:03 PM (#76255 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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I have 2!!! 5 & 7 yr. olds. They have rode since they could sit up. They both love horses and more than anything I love raising them in the country. They can play in the dirt, ditch, sawdust, barn and play toy horses all day. I love Guards article. I write articles in the local newspaper about country kids, horse training articles, and I use my girls in the photos. "how bout them cowgirls" is a great song that refers to the good heartedness of a cowgirl. My goal is that they love the outdoors, learn how to care for their animals and things, tuffin up, have responsibilities and be accountable for their actions. Theyve been in the parade 3 times and won first place every year.........the experience has been great. They are learning to train a colt! And doing great!
Life in the country is a good thing!
There is something special in a horse that does something magical in the heart of a girl!
They will be showing their 3yr. old this year.........anyone have "Show shirts" your girls grew out of?
Posted 2008-02-07 7:54 PM (#76353 - in reply to #76349) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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the gift of being cancer free
It's the CHANCE of being cancer free. Garddasil is a great start (depending on the side effects) but it only protects against one type of HPV that MAY cause cancer. I still have a few years to go before we get that age so I'm waiting on more research.
HPV Types 16 and 18 cause 70% of cervical cancer cases, and HPV Types 6 and 11 cause 90% of genital warts cases.
The "chance" you are referring to is a 70% chance. I mean a vaccine that stops 70% of cancer, it's a no-brainer.
Men spread HPV. The Merck representative that took my husband and I out to our last "drug dinner" stated that men could get the vaccine too. Thinking is since men don't come down with cervical cancer it's really the woman's problem...thus they market the vaccine to young women.
Even if you have HPV you can still get vaccinated...
Posted 2008-02-08 9:06 PM (#76439 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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Back to the topic of what horses teach our daughters (and sons)-I like to think that having learned to navigate the warm up rings at shows will positively contribute to future driving skills. Getting cut off in the show ring is kind of similar to getting cut off on the interstate, although not (quite! :) )as potentially deadly. Helps reaction times and "planning ahead" skills. Of course the horse has his own eyes to help avoid collisions, too. As for the Gardasil topic-I am inclined to wait to see what long term effects might come from that one. Hopefully only good ones.
Posted 2008-02-08 9:44 PM (#76441 - in reply to #76362) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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Actually I have been reading on it. There isn't enough known about the long term effects to suite me. What you posted came off of the gardasil website but they don't tell you anything about the side effects except for the usual swelling, itching, etc. So I looked them up myself. I googled gardasil side effects and this is some of what came up.
Posted 2008-02-08 10:52 PM (#76447 - in reply to #76441) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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I didn't read anything that would keep me from having any daughters I might have protected.
I have been personally affected by HPV and by the grace of God I found a GYN that informed me of the effects and surgically corrected the problem. Scariest part of the whole thing was waiting to see if I was sterile...if this "little" virus had taken something from not only me and my future husband but my mother, the chance of a grandchild.
Thankfully my husband (physician) has made it a personal goal to educate all his patients and their mothers about their choice regarding this vaccine. He hasn't seen or had reports of adverse reactions from any source to date.
We plan on having our son vaccinated, thankfully we did our chance at children.
Posted 2008-02-08 11:57 PM (#76451 - in reply to #76447) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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Scariest part of the whole thing was waiting to see if I was sterile...if this "little" virus had taken something from not only me and my future husband but my mother, the chance of a grandchild.
Even if the possible, less talked about side effects don't bother you, there hasn't been enough testing done to show if the drug affects the fertility of all the young girls being vaccinated. Even if it does cause sterrility, that isn't my biggest concern, what about the long term health affects? They don't even know how long the vaccine will last or how many or how often boosters will be required yet. It also says on the Guardasil web site that it is safe for breast feeding mothers but then goes on to say later that it hasn't been tested to see if it is secreted in breast milk. How is that safe? There are just to many unknowns for me to treat my 10 yr old for STD's.
I think at this time it is a better option to continue to teach her about the dangers of sex. Even if she doesn't end up with a virus, she could end up with her own child to worry about.
Posted 2008-02-09 10:00 AM (#76471 - in reply to #76036) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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I am with you Terri and applaud your decison to wait and see. How many drugs have come out and seemed to be the answer to one thing or another and then have been recalled for the bad effects that they have had years later. My daughter is 22 yrs old and has not and will not have this vaccine. She is a virgin and her boyfriend of almost 4 years is, as well . They plan to marry after she finishes 2 years of grad school, so if all goes as planned she will have no need to ever consider this vaccine. Yes, I am very proud of her and I know this is a rarity in our society, but even if this were not the situation, I would still be skeptical of a new drug until it has proven itself and that takes time (years).
Posted 2008-02-09 11:30 AM (#76482 - in reply to #76471) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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What is most worrysome right now is that some states are trying to require all girls to be vaccinated. In Tx starting this year it will be required for all girls starting 6th grade. If NM tries it we will start home schooling if they won't let you opt out. If I'm remembering right the FDA website said the trials were only 5yrs old. That isn't nearly long enought to know the long term effects, especially for the youngest testees. It's not a disease that's contagious with normal school environment contact. It's not like the diseases you can get just by sitting in the same room with someone.
Posted 2008-02-10 12:48 AM (#76509 - in reply to #76471) Subject: RE: For Those With Daughters
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stablemom, I understand about your virgin daughter...my life plan was very similar, let's just say that you don't always get to plan your first sexual encounter as was my case. I did regain my power 5 years later by sending a man I met at college off with four broken teeth, needless to say the date didn't end the way he wanted/planned. Both experiences changed the girl I was and defined the woman I found inside.
The vaccine lasts for 5 years per Terri's own web sites listed and then boosters will be needed.
Vaccines have been shown over time to be very safe, a good vaccine program can exterminate a disease.
I wonder how the population will react to OU's newest cancer vaccine upon it's release. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink...I wish your daughters the best in health and safety.