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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-11-22 11:53 PM (#51819)
Subject: Want living quarter - can a 1500 GMC Sierra pull it?


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Iwas wondering if i could pull a 3 horse slant (with just two horses until i get the money to upgrade truck) with living quarters. Nothing extravegant, just AC maybe fridge, tv, toilet, generator (So i could use the heat during the night on weekends... lol (wow, maybe that is extravegant. :) )

 

I currently have a 2005 GMC Sierra Crew Cab with the 5.3 Liter motor and factory tow package. I would be getting a gooseneck

I have emailed people with listings about trailers in Cali i see and like, but, they never reply...

What do you all think?

 

Thanks in advance, and happy holidays to all of you and your loved one!

 

 - jason



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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2006-11-23 8:47 AM (#51828 - in reply to #51819)
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I was in the same boat as you a year ago.  I tried pulling a bumper pull steal 3 horse with my 1500.  Not good.  It could barely do the job even in the flatland I am in.  A 3 horse LQ is going to weigh about 8000-9000lbs empty and with 2 horses around 10,000-11,000 lbs. Your trucks tow rateing will be somewhere around 8000lbs. A LQ trailer is also very heavy on the nose. My rear axle weight with mine is 7,000lbs empty with no horses or stuff.  I have a dually so it's O.K.  If you get a 2500 you will be pushing the weight limits of the tires.  Normally about 3000lbs per tire for a total of 6000 lbs max. weight for the rear axle even though the axle itself is rated for more.  If you want to pull a 3 horse GN LQ trailer you are going to need to go to a 3500 dually to get the job done safely. I see people pulling LQ trailers with 2500's I just would recommend it IMHO. And if you have an accident you will open yourself up to another can of worms. Tickets, Lawsuit, etc.
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cowby
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-11-23 11:48 AM (#51835 - in reply to #51819)
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The 1500 is too small to use safely. As far as a 2500, my 05 Dodge 2500 has a towing capacity of 12750 lbs, so it would be fine. The diff between my 2500 and a 3500 is 2 leaf springs and 1000 lbs. Just be sure to buy VERY good tires with a high load rating.

Cowby

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N2ridin
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-11-23 3:53 PM (#51840 - in reply to #51819)
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Cloud9
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-11-26 6:57 AM (#51908 - in reply to #51819)
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No way.
My 3h with full LQ fully loaded for a week's trip: '03 Dodge 2500, 2 horses @ 1100 lbs, 12 bales of hay @ 60 lbs each,65 gal of water for the horses, 40 gal water in the lq, food and clothes for us, saddles and tack, two people, two dogs weighed in at 23,000 lbs on a CAT scale at a Love's truck stop.

No way a 1500 can handle that. You have to remember all the stuff you take besides the horses for a camping trip. It really adds up fast.
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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-11-26 10:12 AM (#51912 - in reply to #51819)
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Well first off i really want to thank you all for sharing that information with me. Without all of your input i would have had a very costly and dangerous mistake on my hands.I was browsing through the horse trailer listings and found what they refer to as a 'weekender' package. It's not as finished as a full LQ, but, is really nice and all i'm looking for. It comes with a shower/toilet combo. 3 Cubic Fridge, microwave, cooktop, ac and heat. After that I'll just goto lowes and buy a 10k watt generator and be perfectly happy!Thank you guys again, and if you have any knowledge over the weekender packages I'd love to hear them!!
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Ardly
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-11-28 12:18 AM (#51986 - in reply to #51912)
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Jasondt2001,


 

Something you may want to consider is the thought on the generator. There has been several threads about there use at campgrounds. Some campgrounds restrict there use and many of them are very loud. You may want to check out the different models and consider the noise level of each before ending up with something that keeps you and all your neighbors up all night. Just something else to think about!

                                     ,Ardly

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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-11-28 8:16 PM (#52020 - in reply to #51819)
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You know that's a really good thought about the generator question.


What my goal/plan is...my wife is going on a three day event camping/trail ride. I want her to be comfortable at nights because it will be COLD. Everything else is set up for her - cooking, coffee... all i want for her to have it the heating coil on at night.
Someone i talked to mentioned that a battery should be just fine for three nights without even breaking a sweat. I find that hard to believe....

Any opinions on getting a battery setup, using it for the three nights? Will it last?

I could always charge it when i get home, i just want her to have a great time rather than dread the night times. LOL

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-11-28 9:43 PM (#52021 - in reply to #51908)
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Originally written by Cloud9 on 2006-11-26 7:57 AM

No way. My 3h with full LQ fully loaded for a week's trip: '03 Dodge 2500, 2 horses @ 1100 lbs, 12 bales of hay @ 60 lbs each,65 gal of water for the horses, 40 gal water in the lq, food and clothes for us, saddles and tack, two people, two dogs weighed in at 23,000 lbs on a CAT scale at a Love's truck stop. No way a 1500 can handle that. You have to remember all the stuff you take besides the horses for a camping trip. It really adds up fast.

 

12 60# bales for 2 horses for a WEEK?  i believe i would trade those 2 in for more fuel efficent models.

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laxpatrick
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-12-02 12:05 PM (#52121 - in reply to #51819)
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Can you? Sure. Would I? No way. A 3/4 ton would do for starters, assuming you're within the tow limits... Check the capacities of your truck for legal capacity. LAXPatrick
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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-12-02 3:01 PM (#52124 - in reply to #51819)
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Thank you Patrick, I'm under my max weight rating (of towing) with the weekender package.

Luckily it will only have to be this way for a few more months. After we buy our apartment portfolio we'll have steady income and will upgrade truck and maybe even trailer....
That's why i want at least the Weekender, because they're so popular.
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-12-02 3:18 PM (#52125 - in reply to #52124)
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Originally written by Jasondt2001 on 2006-12-02 2:01 PM

Thank you Patrick, I'm under my max weight rating (of towing) with the weekender package. .

Jason ... are you speaking about the max trailer rating and the payload rating of your truck?

Pulling a GN trailer requires the truck to be able to carry weight of the hitch as well as handling the total loaded weight of the trailer.  Most 1500 trucks can't handle the hitch weight of a LQ GN trailer.  Even the "Mighty" one ton will squat under the hitch weight of a decked out 12' LQ 4 horse.

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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-12-03 10:01 PM (#52154 - in reply to #51819)
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Guys i know i sound totally ignorant, i swear I'm trying to understand. I re-read some of my posts and realized I kind of come off with a 'know it all' attitude. I just wanted everyone to know that ISN'T my intention! I'v learned alot and appreciate you guys keeping me and my family (horses included) off the side of the road in a ditch or something even worse! My owners manual says for my: 2005 GMC Sierra L/D power package with towing accessories (tranny cooler.. .lol) 5.3 Motor W/ 4 spd auto 4 WD Crew Cab Model w/ 3.42 final drive ratio. "Maximum Trailer Weight: 7400 LBS GCWR: 13000 Lbs" Then it says "Fifth-Wheel or gooseneck trailering is neither designed nor intended for this vehicle.". So I posted at a few forums, talked to a few guys at a trailer shop and my truck has the same stuff a extended cab does (The extended cab part of my truck's owners manual  says 15-25% percent of trailer weight up to 2500LBS). So I wanted to be sure and asked the guys at my GMC dealer where the truck is serviced and they say that it's because of the 5'8 bed. You'll whack your cab... that's why it says that. So i went and found an offset extender that everyone says will work. Now you all know EVERYTHING i know. LOL. Any advice? I appreciate it all of you guys!!! 51

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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-12-03 10:47 PM (#52158 - in reply to #52154)
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Originally written by Jasondt2001 on 2006-12-03 9:01 PM

 My owners manual says for my: 2005 GMC Sierra L/D power package with towing accessories (tranny cooler.. .lol) 5.3 Motor W/ 4 spd auto 4 WD Crew Cab Model w/ 3.42 final drive ratio. "Maximum Trailer Weight: 7400 LBS GCWR: 13000 Lbs" Then it says "Fifth-Wheel or gooseneck trailering is neither designed nor intended for this vehicle.".

my truck has the same stuff a extended cab does (The extended cab part of my truck's owners manual  says 15-25% percent of trailer weight up to 2500LBS). So I wanted to be sure and asked the guys at my GMC dealer where the truck is serviced and they say that it's because of the 5'8 bed. You'll whack your cab... that's why it says that. So i went and found an offset extender that everyone says will work. 

 Any advice?

Jason ... I appreciate your note.  As in everything else in the world, there is no freebie in the towing world either.

You've posted some good info on your truck.  GCWR: 13000 Lbs means total weight of the loaded trailer and the loaded truck.  The max trailer weight of 7400 lbs sounds good,  BUT I would interpret the numbers to mean that the base truck weighs 5600 lbs.  You need to add the weight of all the options the truck has and any cargo besides the driver and a full tank of fuel.  A couple of hay bales in the back, two passengers, the GN hitch itself, Easy to get to a thousand pounds.  Now your max trailer is only 6400 lbs.  two (1000 lb) horses...  4400 trailer

But you'll want a couple of saddles & tack. forget the a/c and generator.  No beer either ! That 3 horse LQ trailer is more than 4400 pounds even filled with helium

Having the short bed gives you a bunch of room in the cab. but takes away the bed length... right?  The hitch extenders come in two flavors.  Mounted on the truck or mounted on the trailer.  Be aware that the truck mounted flavors also move the hitch applied force backward.  This could be a problem in that your rear axle becomes overloaded.  This isn't such a big issue with heavier trucks, but you're on the edge.

The 3.42 final drive ratio is great for mileage.  If you're going to the hills, prepare to buy a tranny.  The lugging will burn it up or the engine will wind its heart out.

You might ask the dealership to confirm my GCWR interpretation .  What ever, it's Your decision as it's your money.

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2006-12-03 11:44 PM (#52161 - in reply to #52125)
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Originally written by hosspuller on 2006-12-02 7:18 PM

Originally written by Jasondt2001 on 2006-12-02 2:01 PM

Thank you Patrick, I'm under my max weight rating (of towing) with the weekender package. .

Jason ... are you speaking about the max trailer rating and the payload rating of your truck?

Pulling a GN trailer requires the truck to be able to carry weight of the hitch as well as handling the total loaded weight of the trailer.  Most 1500 trucks can't handle the hitch weight of a LQ GN trailer.  Even the "Mighty" one ton will squat under the hitch weight of a decked out 12' LQ 4 horse.

 

I can vouch for that. My rear axle weight with an empty trailer and full fresh water tank is 7,000 lbs. I will be at my limit when all loaded up. A 1500 will be on the bump stops of the axle for sure.

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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-12-04 10:10 AM (#52170 - in reply to #51819)
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Well after a dis-heartening reply (not your fault) I've finally faced the conclusion... I'm UNDER trucked and OVER trailered. LOL

Me and my wife are going to hit GMC dealerships today. I see a 3500 Dually Duramax in my future (Let's see me and her over trailer that beast... LOL).
I'm sad I'm going to get ripped on trade, but, i'm also very excited about a new truck and my options opening up trailer wise!

I just wanted to thank you guys, all of you very much because I woulda tried it and never thought twice without your input.

Anybody have any suggestions on the GMC or would i be regretting it? I'd love to hear what you all think about them!

- Jason
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claylynn
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2006-12-04 8:05 PM (#52190 - in reply to #51819)
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Wise choice moving from the 1500. The weekender package would be close, but the other thing to keep in mind with the extender on the trailer hitch is when you turn, you can turn tighter, but the gussets may hang up on your bed rails. At any rate, a 2500HD with a gas would more than pull a weekender package. We added a spring on a 2003 2500HD gas, and have no problem pulling a 4 horse 12' LQ w/ 4' mid tack. The 3500 Duramax is VERY nice but could be as much as $15,000 more! Just something to think about. Best of luck!
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Posted 2006-12-04 8:06 PM (#52191 - in reply to #51819)
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Exactly what I had to do.  I didn't make out to bad.  Try to catch a used truck with about 20,000 miles on it. It won't hurt so bad.  Either get a GM/Chevy Duramax or a Dodge with the Cummins. Better get up on it because all of the new emissions stuff is coming quick. I would suggest you do your research online before you jump into a diesel. 

Dodge site: http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/

Duramax site: ?

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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-12-05 12:52 AM (#52199 - in reply to #51819)
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Well i took the plunge. ....
I sound like I had teeth pulled - LOL I bought the absolute truck of my dreams. Oh my goodness i was missing so much. Don't get me wrong, that little 1500 was a GREEEEEEEEEEAT truck that i really loved. And then comes the Duramax. Wowwwwwwwww.

Well it's a 2007 Sierra Crew Cab Dually w/ everything. I had no idea what kind of power these things have. I bought it with 4 miles on the odometer so i am not yet able to put it all the way to the floor. So far with 100 miles my MPG is 15.8 so i'm excited to see what it will wind up with later in it's young life.

I did however go to pass someone today on 101. In my old truck, you stayed off their rear bumper (because tailgaters SUCK) and mashed the pedal while staying in the same lane until the speed is acceptable to switch lanes and safely pass. 
Well.... This truck hauls ASSSSSS!!!!!!!! So i go to pass this little car, we're doing 55 mph in a 65 zone. I start to accelerate and wait for the truck to gain speed. To my suprise the speed was INSTANT and i VERY quickly climbed up this poor commuter's rear end. What a shock, oh man and the NOISE!!!!!!!! WHAT DIESEL???????????

Get it on the freeway or get a steady speed in town, and honest to goodness boys and girls this truck can't be heard. It's quieter than my old sierra gasser. Sitting at a stoplight idling with the cab closed up makes you thank goodness you have a tach because you'd think the truck stalled. When you give it gas it does get louder than my old sierra but not by much at all - and it's a good loud... ESPECIALLY the turbo whistle.

Ok, I'm just THRILLED and wanted to let all my new friends from the board know how thankful I am to each and everyone of you for helping in this decision. :)

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hosspuller
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Posted 2006-12-05 8:05 AM (#52205 - in reply to #51819)
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Jason .. Best part of your GM truck is the Allison tranny.

You've chosen well.  Enjoy it.

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Broken Bit
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Posted 2006-12-05 8:07 AM (#52206 - in reply to #51819)
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Next time yer in Indiana, stop in and let me take a looksy!  Congrats and I'm sure that we are all glad that y'all will be a little safer out there on the roads!  Sometimes folks think that us "stupid cowboys" think that we need big trucks just to drive up to the cafe for coffee and stuff like that, we should get cars and save fuel,... but they don't realize that it's just like construction work, mechanics, and tons of other specialized proffessions... Gotta Have The Right Tool For The Job!! --'least to do it safely ;~)--

talk to y'all later...

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Horse Crazy
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Posted 2006-12-05 11:25 AM (#52214 - in reply to #51819)
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We have a 1500 series that we used to pull a 3 horse Ponderosa with a 2 ft short wall. It wasn't long after we got the trailer that we had to upgrade the truck or stay home. Even if you don't have any accidents you'll probably end up tearing your truck up. Might as well bite the bullet and get your truck too.

Merry Christmas To All Of You.

 

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racesarabhorses
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Posted 2006-12-08 6:43 PM (#52342 - in reply to #52199)
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Aren't the new trucks grand?  I came from a '91 F-350 diesel with aftermarket turbo.  It barely pulled my trailer at posted interstate speed limit and would not do that on the slightest of hills.

I ordered my '06 Ram 3500/Cummins/6-spd from a dealer in MO, and driving it back to SC was a THRILL especially in the hills.  Speed gain was almost instantaneous in the hills coming through TN on I-40.  I passed lots of sporty cars, even had a go with one of them, and the steeper the hill the faster the truck accelerated.  Just unbelievable the power these new diesels make!  With 10,000+ pounds in tow, the truck just hums along.

Enjoy your truck and trailer.  We're hoping to upgrade our trailer to LQ after the truck is paid off.

 

Mike

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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-12-11 11:53 PM (#52448 - in reply to #51819)
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You bet you broken bit, if i'm ever that way you'll have company for sure!! :)
I now know what you mean about the correct tool for the job - I felt like going to a gun fight with a box knife in my old situation. Now I feel like going to a gun fight carrying an uzi... Ok enough gun analogies - it's the holidays and that's depressing talk. LOL Yeah I'm a California boy and up to a couple months ago i was guilty of that mindset "what in the world would you  need a truck that big for? it's just a HORSE...." haha, boy oh boy was i wrong!!

 

Merry Christmas to you too Horse Crazy - And to everyone else as well :) May god bless each and everyone of you.

Racesar - You're not kidding about the new trucks, I haven't been able to tow anything yet though.... Just around town is a blast!! Tonight I had a powerstroke (not brand bashing just stating) try to pass me from behind while merging on a onramp - THAT didn't happen :) hahaha. I'm having too much fun!! Now i just need someone to teach me how to safely pull a trailer and the rules of the road while pulling precious cargo.

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