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qhgrama
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2008-08-07 6:56 PM (#89239 - in reply to #88898)
Subject: RE: HELP tires / wheels 911!


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Have had a similar problem on my 06 sundowner...we have blown three tires in a matter of three weeks. The tire manufacturer will not warranty the tires as they say sundowner put the wrong tire on. Sundowner will not replace the tires, they told me to buy a higher speed rated tire. Just what I need to do, spend 1500.00 for new tires when they put the wrong tire on to begin with.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-08-07 10:59 PM (#89256 - in reply to #88904)
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Originally written by c.will_09 on 2008-08-03 3:31 PM

I have 7000lbs axles on this trailer, that is what came on the trailer.

I missed one of your questions, I pull this trailer at 65 or just under on the interstate and in town and back road usually 5 miles under the posted limit because of the weight and the amount of time it takes to stop this thing you never know what retard maybe coming out of a driveway or around the corner.

Thanks, c.will 

It sounds like you need to contact an attorney...because if they actually sold you a trailer with the understanding that the weight was going to be OVER 14K...An implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose is a warranty implied by law that if a seller knows or has reason to know of a particular purpose for which some item is being purchased by the buyer, the seller is guaranteeing that the item is fit for that particular purpose.

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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-08 2:01 PM (#89293 - in reply to #89232)
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Yeah, I can do what the manurfacutre told me to do, "get smaller horse" or carry less cargo!  We have Quater horses and Paints that we use in team roping, barrel racing, and any type of ranch work you can think of in these trail hose compititons we do.  So, yes these are all well built "RANCH TYPE HORSES" that weigh anywhere from my daughters barrel horse (1140lbs) to our ranch geldings that avg. (low one of 1300lbs and the high one of 1420lbs)!  No they are not fat, just well built for the job they do!

I bought this trailer new!

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horsey1
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2008-08-08 2:27 PM (#89299 - in reply to #88898)
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What brand of trailer is this anyway??
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-08-08 2:33 PM (#89300 - in reply to #88907)
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The empty or (dry) gross weight is 12,740lbs

 

The empty weight is 12,000 lbs and you only have 7000lb axels?  That just doesn't sound right.  It sounds like the manufacturer screwed up.  My trailer has a GVWR of 12,000lbs and I have 7000lb axels on it and a empty weight of 6200lbs.

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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-08 4:06 PM (#89309 - in reply to #89300)
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Yes, this trailer has been scaled per the manurfactures specs. and the dry gross weight is 12740lbs. with 2 7-k lbs axles!  Every other trailer dealer I have talked to told me that 2 7-k axles means their trailer will have a gross weight of 14-k lbs TOTAL!  That way when a customer buys that trailer they can load it up and go get a gross weight and it should be at or under that number!  Just like what you mentioned in your post

"The empty weight is 12,000 lbs and you only have 7000lb axels?  That just doesn't sound right.  It sounds like the manufacturer screwed up.  My trailer has a GVWR of 12,000lbs and I have 7000lb axels on it and a empty weight of 6200lbs."

that menas you can carry 5800lbs of cargo and still have 2-k extra!

 



Edited by c.will_09 2008-08-10 2:17 AM
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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-08-08 4:32 PM (#89315 - in reply to #88898)
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Different manufacturers will use one of two methods. One will be based solely on the axles....which would mean you need 10,000# axles to meet your requirements with 1000# overallowance. Two is to take into account tongue weight of the trailer and that the tow vehicle carries 20 to 30% of the total weight of the trailer, 14,000 + 30% = 18,200. A google search for trailer gvwr brought this up: http://www.trailermanufacturersassociation.org/currentissues/currentissues1.html
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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-08 6:11 PM (#89331 - in reply to #89315)
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well said!  and that would work out great if the weight of the trailer was "as describe" or "as stated", but this trailer is actually 2100lbs over the "dry gross" weight so that puts a whole new out look on things! 

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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-11 2:13 PM (#89490 - in reply to #88898)
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Just got back from trying to buy tires and tire dealer pointed out something out on my old tires that I did not see before.  one part of the tire shows 14PR and another part of the tire that shows the weight rating shows "load range F" which is a 12 ply tire.  So what do I actually have?  a 13ply or pure junk?

Edited by c.will_09 2008-08-11 2:14 PM
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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-15 6:03 PM (#89789 - in reply to #88898)
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Just got a quote on 17.5 tires on steel wheels with a rating around 4800 each on the tires and wheels for $1680. for a set of 4. 

Is that about right?

If I do that then I would need to find a set of wheel covers, cause them 17.5 solid wheel look CHEAP!

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-08-15 6:14 PM (#89790 - in reply to #88898)
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Those steel 17.5's are solid... Here's some "BLING" for ya!.

http://www.jaeeagle.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_168_68_136&products_id=441

Be sure those 17.5 wheels are drilled for 9/16" studs.... Not the 5/8" like most of them are.

Don't forget these wheels... http://www.trailertiresandwheels.com/site/1284278/product/0377865



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tom-tom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-08-15 9:35 PM (#89794 - in reply to #88898)
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Is that a chinese made tire with a slow speed rating?  I paid over $300 for a 14 ply goodyear just a couple of months ago mounted on my wheel.
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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-16 11:50 AM (#89812 - in reply to #89794)
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I'm not sure yet, I am going to see them Monday.  He is going to get me a prcie on Michelins also.  All I know right now is the set he priced me is going to cost 1680....  He wants me to check out some 16" that are Alcoa alum. wheels with Michelin Tires that are rated just under 4000lbs each.  But they are around the same price.  He thinks I would just as well off with this set unless I am going to get larger axles.

But also reminded me that 17.5" might not fit my trailer because of the wheel opening space.  Did not realize that there was so much involved in changing tires and wheel.

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-08-16 12:21 PM (#89813 - in reply to #88898)
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The 215/75R17.5's are 30.7" in diameter... They may be an inch or so shorter that what's on your trailer now...

http://www.michelintruck.com/michelintruck/tires-retreads/tireInfo.do?tread=XTA

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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-16 12:47 PM (#89814 - in reply to #89813)
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The tire dealer I am talking with is telling me the problem with the 17'5" is they maybe too wide or the back spacing of the wheels and could rub the inner fender/body!  Now he is telling me something about stud size could be a issue as well and he would need to check it out Monday.

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-08-16 1:33 PM (#89817 - in reply to #88898)
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Get the ALCOA wheels and new load range G tires(Michelin/Goodyear).  You will be good to go. My trailer came with load range G tires.
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-08-16 2:24 PM (#89820 - in reply to #88898)
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Then get these 16"x6",  "bling bling" wheels...

http://www.trailertiresandwheels.com/site/1284278/product/AW1607

And this tire and you're set to go...  http://www.trailertiresandwheels.com/site/1284278/product/RG614

$105.00 wheel and $218.00 tire plus tax, some freight, mounting and balancing. You'll still have $1500.00 in the set of four.



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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-16 11:57 PM (#89843 - in reply to #89820)
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Thanks, I will call them Monday morning.
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-08-17 12:39 AM (#89844 - in reply to #88898)
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When you weighed your rig what was the weight on the rear axles? You should of had 4 weights.  Front axle, rear axle for truck, trailer axle, and gross weight, as long as you hit the scales correctly. What was the weight over the trailer axles?  That is the weight you need to be concerned about.  Your tires and axles ratings will be what the DOT goes by if an issue arises. I read you have 2- 7,000lb axles which you already know gives you a gross of 14k lbs max. I just checked my empty weight ticket and my rear axle weight on the trailer empty(but full of water) was 6980 and my axles are 7,000 axles also. Got another 7,000 lbs to go before trouble arises. My tire ratings put me at 14,700 lbs max weight also.  So the lower number is 14,000 lbs. and my hard limit. Anything over that and DOT/state boys will have a fit if you are in an accident. Would like to see your weight slip.

 

My trailer is a 4 horse with 12 foot shortwall LQ. Exiss Event 412xt.

 



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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-17 9:24 PM (#89871 - in reply to #89844)
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It was a solid scale! And I scaled it how the manufacture told me to check it.  Trailer only!  Pulled the truck right off the scale weighed trailer still hook to the truck, then unhooked trailer on the scale and got my gross weight.  To make sure I done it right I took it to a trailer repair shop and had to weigh it as well and come up with the same figures.

My axle weight tickets show 14,660 with 2 large horses, 2 avg. horses, loaded with everything but waste tanks full.  Yes, I have 2-7-klbs axles, the tires show 3500lbs each @94psi and the wheels show 3750 each @80psi!  So I am ove on the tires and axles for sure.  If I load the 4 large horses we use most of the time I have a axle weight of almost 15,500lbs!  Mine is a 4 horse 8' short wall, 5 foot mid tack with a 6' slide out overall floor is around 32'

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-08-17 11:04 PM (#89879 - in reply to #88898)
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Yeah, I am 32' on the floor also.  Something dosen't seem right. My suggestion to you would be to find a scale that is split so you can weigh hooked up all at once. I have a certified scale 10 miles from my house that gave me weights on each axle and gross weight( it was a Sisson scale).  Depending on where you load your horse (which stall they are in) will change the trailer axle weight. Not all of there weight is on the trailer axle depending on where you load them. You can load the heavier ones in the forward stalls to take some weight off the trailer axles but it increases your trucks rear axle weight or Pin weight. Find a split scale and go weigh there just to double check. You can try different configurations on where to put what horse to get a handle on your trailer axle weight. I believe you can get your horses and gear loaded in such a way to be under your trailer axles max weight.  Give it a try, plus it is free.......



Edited by Spooler 2008-08-17 11:21 PM
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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-18 9:56 AM (#89895 - in reply to #89879)
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Ok, lets start over here. My trailer has a full 5' midtack and that is where all of my tack and suppies are kept. I use the 2 center stalls for my larger horses and smaller horse on front and rear, I have put the 2 large horses in the front 2 stalls over the axles, even put the 2 large horses in the rear. The way this trialer is built, only the fornt horse is on the front edge of the axle, the 2nd and 3rd are on top and the 4th head is on the back edge of the rear axle.
Either way I still have a 14,600lbs axles weight so what am I trying to find out by weighing on a split scale?
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-08-18 6:26 PM (#89942 - in reply to #88898)
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Well, you have done everything possible. Wish i could help. Just like everyone else I learned of all this stuff after I bought my trailer. Thank goodness it was a OH %^$%^^ moment as you have had. That trailer dry is 2000lbs more than mine and we both have the same footage on the floor.
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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-18 9:27 PM (#89951 - in reply to #89942)
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Originally written by Spooler on 2008-08-18 6:26 PM

Well, you have done everything possible. Wish i could help. Just like everyone else I learned of all this stuff after I bought my trailer. Thank goodness it was a OH %^$%^^ moment as you have had. That trailer dry is 2000lbs more than mine and we both have the same footage on the floor.

I  guess that is the main problem with mine.  The actual dry weight is 2100lbs more than the website shows and more than I was told.  The equals about 1 1/2 horses.  So if this was a 3 horse trailer I would be fine.  Thanks for the input!

c.will 

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c.will_09
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2008-08-21 8:51 AM (#90103 - in reply to #89256)
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Have meeting with Lawyer on Friday at 2pm!

I have 2 or 3 statements from tire dealers that deal with heavy type tires only and all of them has said "they will not install a higher psi tire on the 80psi wheels I have because of the liability issues involed and they should have never been mountd like this to start with"!

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