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Did you know, 26,000 GVW - Needs a CDL

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Posted 2006-04-23 6:43 PM (#40845 - in reply to #40840)
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If you want to have some fun just ask the highway patrol in your state about all this. I have talked to 3 TN  Highway patrol  and 1 Kentucky KHP that was DOT. Thes guys are too busy to mess with horse trailers and are interested in the big rigs. They will each give you a different answer because they don't know and don't want to know. The guy in Ky even has horses and a gooseneck trailer. Like the one fellow said I'm just play dumb.
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Posted 2006-04-23 11:53 PM (#40855 - in reply to #40567)
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There are some exemptions in MN for farmers.  A farmer hauling farm products does not need a medical card or a cdl.  this applies as long as he is hauling his own product.  he still needs a DOT # and name and address on his rig.  There appears to be some confusion about what is a commercial vehicle.  As long as the vehicle or combination of vehicles has a mfg gvwr over 10,000 lbs and is being used for a business purpose, if that vehicle crosses state lines the federal government considers that to be a comercial vehicle. It does not matter if you are hauling for hire or not.  Here in mn, a lot of attention is paid to smaller rigs as they are the most frequent violators.  You may have rv plates on your vehicle but if it is being used for business purposed, it is still a commercial vehicle and would be treated as such as far as the driver requirments.
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muleskinner
Posted 2006-04-26 3:38 PM (#40962 - in reply to #40855)
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The ga. legislature recently passed HB-1392,which allows farmers to exceed the 10,000 lb. trailer weight,provided the combined weight of truck and trailer do not exceed 26,000 lbs.,prior to this bill if your trailer weight exceeded 10,000 lbs. ,you needed a class A license ,regardless of the truck size.This exemption applys to Agriculture products,farm machinery,livestock or supplies.
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Posted 2006-04-26 5:40 PM (#40964 - in reply to #40962)
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Originally written by muleskinner on 2006-04-26 4:38 PM

The ga. legislature recently passed HB-1392,which allows farmers to exceed the 10,000 lb. trailer weight,provided the combined weight of truck and trailer do not exceed 26,000 lbs.,prior to this bill if your trailer weight exceeded 10,000 lbs. ,you needed a class A license ,regardless of the truck size.This exemption applys to Agriculture products,farm machinery,livestock or supplies.


Despite what I've seen here I'm still believing that it is an AND condition between the over 10,000 trailer and the over 26,000 combination.
e.g. you don't need Class A with 12,000 truck AND 13,999 trailer.
Somewhen a year or two ago I found the relevant clause in the CFR and posted it, but in searching old posts I havn't found that excerpt (yet), I'm probably not remembering the right keywords to search by.
Another thing I remember from that thread is that if the trailer has no GVWR on it's VIN plate then it shall be taken as it's actual laden weight (words to that effect). The GVWR is not necessarily equal to or greater than the sum of the axle ratings, I remember that part too. e.g. having a pair of 6K axles doesn't necessarily mean your trailer is rated at or near 12K.


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Truck Broker
Posted 2006-04-28 10:46 AM (#41025 - in reply to #40567)
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You guys worry TOO much! I have run many a mile in a rig that we use for business that has a combined gross weight rating of 32,200lbs. and have never been so much as sneezed at. And we don't have the truck plated but for 18k and we often are loaded to as high as 35k, we don't have a d.o.t.#, we don't stop at scales, we don't have log books, we don't have anything. We just get in the rig and go. I've never had a problem. I know we are illegal, but we have run so long with no problems it has been worth it. If they stop us tomorrow and give us a $1000 ticket I will still be ahead because of not having to worry about all this stuff all this time. Now, that said(I know that will anger the dudly do right's) If they don't bother me, then surely a bunch of people pulling their horses for a hobby can get by. I get buy wether I am pulling the trailer for business or wether I'm pulling the horse trailer for fun. Again, dn't worry so much. Okay, flame suit on, flame away!
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dblhocker
Posted 2006-04-28 10:59 AM (#41026 - in reply to #40567)
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I think many people are like you, truck broker, and have gotten by for years without any problems.  However, in Iowa, they are starting to crack down on this, apparently the DOT sees it as a way to get some easy ticket revenue.  I personally know of three guys who were stopped by DOT officials just to check what their weight ratings were.  I also know that in February they did a sting and showed up at the Kalona monthly horse sale and issued over 60 tickets to the various horse traders there.........something that never happened in the past.  So if any of you fine folks are coming to or driving through Iowa, don't be surprised if you get stopped by the DOT.........whatever you do with this info is your business.
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Posted 2006-04-28 12:39 PM (#41034 - in reply to #41026)
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Originally written by dblhocker on 2006-04-28 10:59 AM

I think many people are like you, truck broker, and have gotten by for years without any problems.  However, in Iowa, they are starting to crack down on this, apparently the DOT sees it as a way to get some easy ticket revenue.  I personally know of three guys who were stopped by DOT officials just to check what their weight ratings were.  I also know that in February they did a sting and showed up at the Kalona monthly horse sale and issued over 60 tickets to the various horse traders there.........something that never happened in the past.  So if any of you fine folks are coming to or driving through Iowa, don't be surprised if you get stopped by the DOT.........whatever you do with this info is your business.


Again I know, I am lucky, but I have been all through Iowa pulling our 48' step deck flatbed loaded with three trucks and have never been stoped.
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hav2ride
Posted 2006-04-28 2:25 PM (#41035 - in reply to #41034)
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They are cracking down hard in PA too.
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Posted 2006-04-28 4:16 PM (#41041 - in reply to #40567)
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So what does "cracking down hard" mean? I can only assume several hundered trucks and trailers will travel the highway of PA a month- how many are getting stopped? A few? More than a few? All of them? I have to agree we can really worry too much.
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Posted 2006-04-28 4:31 PM (#41042 - in reply to #40567)
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Posted 2006-04-28 4:34 PM (#41043 - in reply to #40567)
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brisco
Posted 2006-04-28 5:06 PM (#41044 - in reply to #41043)
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I happen to know the DOT guy in our local area (northern lower Michigan) is a stickler.  He has made nearly every trucker in this area steaming hot!  However, I've never heard any of my horsey friends say he gave them a bad time.  Then again, I don't have any friends that haul questionable rigs.

 

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Posted 2006-04-28 8:30 PM (#41058 - in reply to #40567)
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I had also heard what happened at the Kalona, Iowa sale barn of all the tickets issued that day.

Last weekend a friend and I went out to eat lunch before going riding.  While in the restaurant I noticed two officers, one a DOT and the other a highway patrolman eating lunch.

I waited until they were done eating and went over the them and said I had some questions I wanted to ask them.  They laughed and said people don't normally want to talk with them. : - )

I mentioned about what happened at Kalona and said I wanted to find out what I'd needed to be legal.  The trooper laughed and said he'd turn it over to the DOT guy.  He also mentioned I'd rather be pulled over by him the trooper rather than the DOT guy.

The DOT guy said he was one of the people issuing tickets that day so I asked him if he pulled me over what would he ask me.  I did tell him I only haul for pleasure riding not business which makes a difference.

He said in the past they haven't enforced things that have been on the books for years nationwide and he doesn't care who you are, trucker or horsetrailer, he's going to pull you over.

He said the things he checks is if your lights and brakes are hooked up right and working. If my truck has the proper registration which he told me with my 3/4 ton truck and load I should have it registered as a 4 ton truck.  He also said I'm going to ask you a question that I'd want you to answer and show you can do it also.  He said "do you know how to stop your trailer without using your truck brakes?'  I told him I did know about the hand brake on the inside so I passed the test.  He said he would have had me open my door and demonstrate I could do it without using the brakes.

We talked about pleasure riding and business and that at the sale barn it's considered business so that's part of the reason so many people got tickets that day.

If your for commercial it's a whole  different story. 

 

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