Posted 2006-10-12 12:00 PM (#49988 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I just called the local vet, $17.50 for the egg count and $45 to examine the horse. When your vet shows you how to do the egg count, please share. I have facilities to do my own (a microscope, slides etc) but I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between egg to know which wormer to use. Great subject. Thanks for askingColleen
Posted 2006-10-12 12:31 PM (#49990 - in reply to #49988) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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worm are a problem if you have too many horses on small amount of land. worming everytime the shoer comes that is a easry way to keep track thank you for the tip
Posted 2006-10-12 12:44 PM (#49994 - in reply to #49990) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Originally written by loveduffy on 2006-10-12 11:31 AM
worm are a problem if you have too many horses on small amount of land. worming everytime the shoer comes that is a easry way to keep track thank you for the tip
That's true. But our horses run on 160 acres, come up to eat free feed off of 800# bales of grass hay. Then they will turn around walk away from the bale and reach down, eat some "road apples". At times I think they have lost their minds.
Posted 2006-10-12 1:07 PM (#49999 - in reply to #49994) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I was told by my vet that if a horse eats manure then there is something missing in there diet. and yes i would worm and do every two mounths need it or not,safe the sorry
Posted 2006-10-12 1:43 PM (#50002 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Slickernsnot,
Please be careful letting your dog lick the plunger. Ivermectin can be very toxic in dogs. Yes vets do use it to treat parasites in dogs but it is at a very very diluted dose. Strongid is much safer. Also if your dog happens to have heartworms the Ivermectin can also cause great harm.
Just thought you should know.
120cc of water to 1 plunger of Ivermectin is the mixture for dogs.
60cc of water to 1 plunger of strongid is the mixture for dogs
to be given 1cc per 10 pounds!!
Posted 2006-10-12 3:16 PM (#50006 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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yes be careful letting dogs lick those plungers!I worked as a vet tech,and it can be dangerous.
I use the daily wormer method with paste spring and fall and go by my vet...web site...www.monocacyequine.com protocal for vacines and worming.I also do vaccinations myself exept for rabies and west nile which is illegal in mD
Posted 2006-10-12 4:45 PM (#50014 - in reply to #50006) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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horsecrazi: My equine vet's are Rich, Peter, Javiar and Lisa from Monocacy. There the best in my book.
I've always vaccinated for WNV. It's not illegal to vaccinate for that in Maryland. If it was, the suppliers wouldn't sell it to Marylander's. All my equine friends do their own WNV vaccines, myself included. Dr. Forfa knows that. Now rabies is another story. I know ALOT of stables in Maryland that vaccinate for Rabies themselves. They get around that issue very easily. You can get rabies vaccine in Viriginia if you have a connection. It's not against the law in Virginia to buy it. The only thing this stupid law accomplishes is that it stops horse people from vaccinating for rabies. Rabies vaccine is the cheapest vaccine to purchase too. I do all of my own vaccinating. If the law were to come to me and say I can't give a rabies shot to my horses then guess what,,,,,,they don't get a rabies shot. I'm not paying a vet to come out and charge me $200 bucks or more to vaccinate the herd when I know that a vile of rabies vaccine only costs $11.00. And the real corker is that it's not AGAINST Maryalnd law to NOT vaccinate your horse for rabies, but it's against the law to purchase the vaccine and administer it..............go figure.
Posted 2006-10-12 5:29 PM (#50015 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Rabies law same here in Georgia BUT many vets(if they know you)sell the vaccine.Lots of info about worms,eggs,what they look like etc.right here in the biggest handbook you could ever want.
Posted 2006-10-12 6:55 PM (#50018 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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When doing worm egg count..if you're doing the flotation method...it's not very a reliable method..the McMaster's method is perfered and not everyone is capable of doing it......fecal egg count does not correlate well with severity of parasite infection
Posted 2006-10-12 7:12 PM (#50021 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I'll make sure to inform my vet of that.He may not be up to date as he did have two jobs.He was with Georgia Tech 30 odd years subed out to Lockheed in charge of updates and redesign on F14 instruments and he vetted in the evenings(said vet bills on wifes Warmblood habit was too costly) and weekends.He retired from Lockheed a year ago and now vets full time.All I know is that he checks,tells me high or low on egg counts and if to use Ivermictin or Quest or Panacur.Usually only thing I use is Ivemictin or Quest.He likes Panacur power packs which is costly on me with as many horses as we have.I have not had any hard keepers including an old Saddlebred mare(pregnant)and nice coat shine on everyone.I feed very little grain.Very little.
Posted 2006-10-13 9:42 AM (#50051 - in reply to #50014) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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If the ravies vaccin is not handled right it is no good and if there is a out brack the powers that be need to see a vets licenin on the vaccin to make sure that it was handal right and given. just because you purchase it don't not mine you gave it.
Posted 2006-10-13 9:55 AM (#50053 - in reply to #50051) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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loveduffy: Your post confused me. I know how to handle vaccines, rabies included. Been doing it for years..........and we all know that vaccines are not 100% full proof.
One type of shot I don't do, is one that has to be administered into the vein. That's a vet's job. By the way, my vet is the one that showed me how vaccinate my horses. Kinda like, straight from the horses mouth. (no pun intended)
Posted 2006-10-13 11:52 AM (#50061 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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windwalker...I have been using Monacacy for 15 years or better..and just love Forfa.He is really good when it comes to AI breeding.I did know that you can get rabies in Va or WV ,but do not have a contact so I always just have the vet out and do coggins also in one stop.That way it makes it more worth while since I show and need them.I did know that we could give west nile ourself ,but have not found it on the market for the puplic to buy.I can go and get it from Mono. EQ and they would give it to me.Where do you purchase it?
Posted 2006-10-15 7:01 PM (#50114 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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The reason that you cannot buy Rabies vaccine in most states is because if you accidentally nick yourself with the needle or get any of the vaccine spilled on an open cut you will probalby get rabies yourself.
I asked my vet about this a few years ago because I vaccinate my horses myself also and that is what she told me.......she said the risk is very high. Now maybe this is true or not but it seems like a good reason for most states to regulate it's use. I can see why WNV would also be regulated......both of these diseases are shared by horses and humans.
Posted 2006-10-16 12:43 AM (#50122 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I was told something differant. They did not want just anyone SAYING they bought a rabies vaccine and using it on dogs and cats without a record of it because the disease is so dangerous & deadly.It just so happened that little law prevents just buying it also for horses,cattle and goats.I do not give it myself to my dogs or cats.I let the vet do that with the proper paperwork filled out.The West Nile vaccine last year did show up in some flu vaccines for the first time but they did not have tetnus I belive because vet sold me some files of it and the whatever was not in it,like a 4 way he sold me seperate.I think the West Nile is more of a NEW drug more MONEY deal.Vet told me the cost and availabilty of it will become more relaxed as time goes on.If I just had a few horses have no issues with vet doing rabies.But I have about 25 now and I catch them up in ones,twos,threes as I can over a week period not all at one time.Some are not even here at the house but in two differant leased pastures 20 miles apart etc.The group of vets I use to use was like oh well when I told them my situation and the vet I use now after he got to know us said that it was a screwed up deal and rather sell responseable owners with herds instead of one or two the vaccine in bulk and it get given then not given at all etc.
Posted 2006-10-24 9:33 PM (#50562 - in reply to #50053) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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in new york a horse was diagnoise with rabies the onwne was from out of state he said that he gave the horse the shot him self. they called his vet and they said that they did sell him the shot. that was all the man could proof. the horse was put to sleep and tested