Posted 2011-08-02 5:38 PM (#136396 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Be all that as it may; You are looking at an Impending disaster looming in the next couple of weeks that will virtually wipe out what is left of the horse industry except for the wealthiest and best prepared horse owner. You are going to see horses that very well may starve and there will be nothing the horseowner can do about it.
"Since fiscal year 2006, Congress has annually prohibited the use of federal funds to inspect horses destined for food, effectively halting domestic slaughter. With the cessation of domestic slaughter in 2007, Congress directed the GAO to examine horse welfare."Ergo, horse slaughter is still legal, you just cannot do it commercially for consumption.
Posted 2011-08-03 12:39 AM (#136409 - in reply to #136220) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Originally written by Phoresic on 2011-07-30 11:20 AM
If horse slaughter can be done in a humane manner, why have you pro-slaughter people not gotten that accomplished?
OK, maybe I missed it in all the posts(along with the minutes lost forever), but could Phoresic please answer/answer again:
1)Is all slaughter(USDA regulated) in THIS country (cattle,pork,chicken,etc) done in a humane manner?
1a)If it is, should horses, when considered livestock in that particular state, be treated differently?
1b)If it isn't, then what would you recommend as humane?
1c)If not included above in 1b, would you consider captive bolt as humane?
2)Would you agree that with the closing of the U.S. horse slaughter plants it has put more stress on the horses now having to travel to Mexico and Canada?
3)Do you personally consider horses as livestock or companion animals?
4)Hypothetically speaking, how would you feel if regional slaughter facilities were to open with the public dropping off horses at no reimbursement to them(they would save on euthanization,burial costs or turning them loose) and the facilities would pay a flat per pound rate(current kill buyers rate-?) which would go to regional(State inspected) rescue facilities?
5)Should horse meat be allowed to be eaten in this country?
I'm asking these questions with no prejudice to you, just more curious on your line of thinking. My answers are below.
1)To the best of my knowledge, yes. 1a)No 1b)N/A 1c)Yes.
2)Yes.
3) I consider our 5 as companion animals, but have no problem with those that see them as livestock.
4)No ,although I'm sure there will be variables to address(like driving distances for some people).
5)I personally would "probably" not try it, although I don't have a problem with those that(under a legal system) chose to.
Posted 2011-08-03 9:05 AM (#136419 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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I'm taking your post and inserting my answers after the *****OK, maybe I missed it in all the posts(along with the minutes lost forever), but could Phoresic please answer/answer again:1)Is all slaughter(USDA regulated) in THIS country (cattle,pork,chicken,etc) done in a humane manner?*********I don't know.1a)If it is, should horses, when considered livestock in that particular state, be treated differently?*********Yes1b)If it isn't, then what would you recommend as humane?*********I have no expertise in slaughter, but it should be done in a humane manner. Humane euthanasia includes an expert gunshot. 1c)If not included above in 1b, would you consider captive bolt as humane?*********It is not considered humane for horses as the system was not designed for horses.2)Would you agree that with the closing of the U.S. horse slaughter plants it has put more stress on the horses now having to travel to Mexico and Canada?********I am not sure that the U.S. slaughter of horses was better, and some of the problems remain the same. There is more travel time, but the time at the feedlots is often very bad.3)Do you personally consider horses as livestock or companion animals?********They are legally livestock and there are benefits to that classification.4)Hypothetically speaking, how would you feel if regional slaughter facilities were to open with the public dropping off horses at no reimbursement to them(they would save on euthanization,burial costs or turning them loose) and the facilities would pay a flat per pound rate(current kill buyers rate-?) which would go to regional(State inspected) rescue facilities?********That's interesting. It could be reviewed for weaknesses. One problem with slaughter is that it encourages people to kill horses that could continue to live productive lives and continue to benefit humans without being killed. Also, slaughter enables people who have received a lifetime of good service from a horse, and just kill it. Have you ever read a little kid's book called The Giving Tree? Bot a favorite of mine, but it does seem to illustrate horse ownership.5)Should horse meat be allowed to be eaten in this country?*******I don't think the consumption of horse meat should be prohibited - but it is not the cultural norm here.I'm asking these questions with no prejudice to you, just more curious on your line of thinking. My answers are below.1)To the best of my knowledge, yes. 1a)No 1b)N/A 1c)Yes.2)Yes.3) I consider our 5 as companion animals, but have no problem with those that see them as livestock.4)No ,although I'm sure there will be variables to address(like driving distances for some people).5)I personally would "probably" not try it, although I don't have a problem with those that(under a legal system) chose to.
"Since fiscal year 2006, Congress has annually prohibited the use of federal funds to inspect horses destined for food, effectively halting domestic slaughter. With the cessation of domestic slaughter in 2007, Congress directed the GAO to examine horse welfare."Ergo, horse slaughter is still legal, you just cannot do it commercially for consumption.
Okay.. The key word is "Effectively" Since there are other laws that require FDA inspection for meat sold for human consumption. Saying horse slaughter wasn't banned by the gov't is like saying "I won't kill you, but I'm turning off your life support"
Dead is dead ... banned is banned, either way ...
Oil Drilling in the Gulf is banned in much the same way by this administration...
Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
